Wilson Manifolds, think they're worth it?

[EvilAWD10]

I recently got a ported intake manifold from a member on here and the quality of it was great. done up by james at reese tuning. But i went over to Buschur's website to take a look at this new Wilson Manifold. After reviewing the thread it seems like the intake manifolds in badass condition just dont know if its worth the extra cheedah! any input guys...



Wilson V2 Intake Manifold for Evo 8/9 $1,550.00


The version 2 of the Wilson intake manifold is the top entry to the latest innovation in intake performance for your Mitsubishi Evolution.

Stock intake/Stock throttle body. This was used as the baseline in our testing. The stock intake/stock throttle body makes the most HP and torque from 0-5400 rpm.

This intake is done/available and has been tested on the Buschur Racing RS. Power gains are from 5600 rpm and up compared to stock. Maximum gains were 29 ft lbs at 6400 rpm and 36 whp at 6300 rpm. At 7700 rpm the torque gains were 12 ft lbs while the HP gains were 27 whp.

PLEASE NOTE: This is a service done to YOUR manifold that you would send in to us. This is NOT a brand new manifold for this price. If you can not supply a core a core fee of $450 will be in effect.
 

[GokuSSJ4]

oooppss! you forgot the link.. hehe..
There was a thread when Indy decided to bring a discussion of the manifold you have mentioned, but for what ever random reason the thread went bye bye.. I wonder why? loll
Here is another link of the mani being discuss at Norcal
http://www.norcalevo.net/forum/index.php/topic,33448.0.html
The mani itself has a lot more work done than your average IM being port, there's a lot of good info found in the thread.

[EvilAWD10]

yeah i was busy at work and got tied up. seems like theirs very useful information. i'll check it out once i get a chance. thanks tomas

Like it was mentioned in norcal i wonder if these manifolds are great for a mild setup. If their actually worth the money. I've read a ams vsr is only a couple hundred rpms slower than the stock unit plus for a used vsr is half the price. Just would like to see some hard socal numbers that can really push me over the edge.

[1WkdEvo]

I posted a link to the thread from Buschur where he explains the usage of each version and he indicates that in his opinion the V2 is not worth it for a stock turbo.  Ill look for the link again

[1WkdEvo]

I'm at work and its taking forever to load Evom...grrrrrrrrrrr

[1WkdEvo]

Ok here is the first one:

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=356243

And here is a post from David about where the power is gained and lost:

The V0, V1 and V2 are all being produced. The reason for the difference options are the different power bands on the intakes. The reason for the differences in pricing is the amount of labor/time that goes into each one.

The V1 and V2 both lose power over the stock intake manifold under 5400 rpm, that is why I listed gains over 5400 rpm. The V1 and V2 both have the least amount of loss under 5400 rpm of any of the other intake manifolds I have tested.

The losses down low are something to consider depending on the application though.

From 3000-3600 rpm the Stock/V1 and V2 are identical in HP and torque. At 4600 rpm the V1 has a loss of 46 ft lbs and 43 whp, that is the largest loss. The V2 has a loss of 63 ft lbs at 4800 rpm and 62 whp at 4800 rpm.

So there is a trade off in low end power when going to the V1 or V2. This topic was started to inform everyone of what is available and the power bands that each part works in.

I really have to make sure that everyone understands that every single fabricated intake manifold I tested lost power in the low/mid range and that the V1 and V2 have the least loss of any of those tested and the V2 has the best top end power.

[1WkdEvo]

Another quote:

At 7700 rpm the stock intake made 416 ft lbs and 605 whp.
At 7700 rpm the V1 intake made 428 ft lbs and 621 whp.
At 7700 rpm the V2 intake made 428 ft lbs and 632 whp.

[1WkdEvo]

And one specific to stock turbo applications

Anyone looking for more HP has to always consider where they want the power and what the car is used for. I'd say if you have a stock engine with a 7800 rpm rev limiter and a stock turbo then looking to add an intake to your EVO isn't a wise investment.

If you have a GT35R then that's a different story or an engine that you are running higher in the RPM ranges.

I get emails and PM's by the boat load. I always have guys ask me "What turbo should I get?" My answer is, "How do you like how the stock turbo feels when it hits boost down low and set you back?" If there answer is "I love that!" Then I don't suggest a 35r. If a guy drives his car in traffic and city mostly he is not going to get to enjoy his 10,000 rpm revlimit and 700 hp big turbo car much.

Think of your goals, uses for the car and base your purchasing from that.

[1WkdEvo]

That help David?

[1WkdEvo]

As for my personal opinion...While I do not doubt that the amount of work/R&D, and effort that goes into the v2 justifies the cost, I do not thnk that for the average Evo owner, it is anywhere near worth what it costs when you consider cost/benefit

If you are going all out crazy, money is no object, and you want the best stealth high hp setup on the planet, then yes, it's probably great.  9se9 and D Buschur both run these with excellent results

[EvilAWD10]

very nice information thanks sean. yeah my computer at work is slow today also

[Sxhawnn]

maybe the V0 would be worth it for us stock turbo guys.  But Bushur never posted numbers of gains/losses with the V0.  The V0 is a lot cheaper too i think.

[EvilAWD10]

7 posts back to back....isnt that some kind of record. shit tell me how you really feel...lol jk buddy

yeah i agree i wasnt aware of the drop off it could have compared to V0 version or V1. i agree on a stock turbo setup doesnt seem very beneficial. I more than likely will be going back to a 35r. i feel the manifold i have now being the stock mani thats ported is in very good shape, even a better flow characteristics than your typical vsr that i had a few months back. but its probably just my naked eye making that comparision.

we have so many items it becomes a little difficult to make a decision on what would work best for your setup. im glad we can at least give a little further insight thanks fellas

[j_nizzle]

i honestly dont think it's worth it. we're paying $$$$ for a few horsepower gain up top and a loss down low.

if this mod is done to a track/race/drag car, i can understand. i just cant justify it on a street/daily-driven car. im trying to be as realistic as possible and i understand David Buschur runs this on "his" personal street car but none of us has a street car doing 9's on 94 oct either.

we have a premiere expert on porting: WOT/Aby. we dont need to fuss with dealing with out of state/non-local parts/up-keep.

Another quote:

At 7700 rpm the stock intake made 416 ft lbs and 605 whp.
At 7700 rpm the V1 intake made 428 ft lbs and 621 whp.
At 7700 rpm the V2 intake made 428 ft lbs and 632 whp.

look at the info sean posted....how many of you guys honestly rev to 7700 rpm on a regular basis? i mean power is power and it's great, but seriously; be real!

the other thread that "gt40" posted in regards to high boost at the track...i see this mod in the same sense, in no way am i trying to bash the part, it is great and works...it's just not for everyone.

[Indy Evo]

I would like to clear up some misinformation. First the numbers David was comparing to was from the intake manifold test done in Feb at 42 degrees the v2 was first run in May, June these were uncorrected numbers also they were from the v2 prototype which has had three revisions. It has been run on everything from a FP White to the new FP 3586HTA, from 450-750whp, 2.0 to 2.3. Not one person on this forum has any first hand experience with either manifold. There are only two v2's in California, and they are on time attack cars one is street driven, and one is a track only machine. It would be wise to talk to someone who actually owns one before passing judgment. When you figure it costs the same as a modified stock frame turbo and makes more power under the curve you might just change your mind. Just ask Aby, Paul Langley, and Smack.

[1WkdEvo]

Sorry if I posted misinformation Indy, I just pasted what David posted with no editing whatsoever

[Sxhawnn]

^^

Hey Indy,

For us stock turbo guys that don't plan to go as high as a red.  Meaning we would only go as far as green or white and stay happy on 91 octane and 22 lbs of boost 99 percent of the time.  Would the V0 be ideal for us?  I ask because I've seen the V1/V2 and even V3 numbers but nothing on the specifics of the V0.

Edit: Actually, I correct myself.  Whats ideal I guess is relative to anyone.  You already stated there are whites out there running the V2.  But for those of us who don't frequent the drag strip and only want a fast spooling balanced street car would the V0 be recommended?

[1WkdEvo]

Mike at AWDmotorsports was supposed to be doing a tes, but I haven't seen if he has updated the thread in the last week with results or not...of the V0

[Indy Evo]

No Problem David never updated his data since development has been on going.

I originally designed the v2 for the FP Green. I had one for my car untill Wicked E on the EvoM forums needed it for his car he will be running back to back test on a stock turbo and ported OEM manifold w/65mm TB. Then he will run the same test with a FP Red.

[EvoJoe]

I myself am waiting for some test results on a V0 equipped Evo with a stock turbo and basic mods. I've been looking over at Evom and nobody seems to have posted any real results yet.