Evo 8 Next Mods*** Please Look

[2005EVO]

I have a 2005 Evo 8 Gsr with 60,000 miles
apexi n1 catback
megan downpipe
test pipe
gsc S2 cams with springs and retainers
1200cc RC injectors
walbro 255 fuel pump
ets front mount
ets upper and lower intercooler piping
ets intake
speed density
megan coilovers
white line rear sway bar
RRE 3-port
stop tech rotors and pads
ported head
rods
competition stage 4 racing clutch rigid sprung
50% dunlop tires
just did 60k mile service
stainless steel brakelines
Speed density tune E85/91 by RRE on dyno pack (new software)
E85 418 AWHP 383AWTQ
91 350 AWHP 313AWTQ


After tune car still doesnt run like it should want to get the car retuned by 5150 racing, the car also needs brake pads because the stoptech ones on it right now are horrible.

****The question is if you had $2,000 to put into my car, and you wanted to do a tune for $550 and brake pads, what else would you do. I want the car to be a better daily driver(better start up, idle with AC on, and run better when cold, and get rid of my engine knock), but I would also like it faster. Lets hear what you guys have to say.

Also I was told the RC 1200cc injectors were horrible, and should by fic 1250cc injectors. Is this something you guys would agree with??

[Macky]

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[socaloc1]

Have you talked to rre about your concerns with the tune?

[2005EVO]

Have you talked to rre about your concerns with the tune?

Yes and this is my second tune from them, the current one (speed density) was half off

[Black Evo Beauty]

^^^^^^^^ Call Alfred@TTech

[rawger]

First thing how much hp/tq are you aiming for ? I think you should upgrade your turbo, at least put in a 9 turbo. But think about a fp black or whatever route you want to go. Second why do you want it to be your DD?? Have it as just your project car, you can get a better tune and bump up your hp/tq and get it closer where you want it... But talk to your tuner and tell them your plans and power goals and they can tell you what you should do next and point you the right direction. RRE is a great shop, very trustworthy and know what there doing so I would talk to them again and see what they can do for you. But if you rather go somewhere else that on you man.

[evoempire]

My personal experience and the experiences of many others can tell you there is nothing wrong with RC1200 with 91 or e85. I have run these injectors on both fuel types, more so on e85 though. How long has it been since you went from 91 to e85? Now some tuners perfer certain injector types but IMHO there is nothing wrong with RC1200. Have you pulled your entire fuel system apart to look for any debris or gunking in the fuel system? Also RRE is a very well respected shop. Assuming most of this work was done at RRE I would give them the opportunity to help you. Assuming you haven't already asked...

I personally do not currently DD my car but I have in the past and I haven't had any issues with the car with idling regarding a tune. I did have idle issues but ended up figuring out when I relocated battery to the rear of the car the way I had the wires routed somehow one came loose and arched causing gremlins. I eventually fixed everything and car ran great! Not saying this is your issue just saying I would not rule out anything until it is thoroughly checked and verified.


Before you go any faster or try to throw more power at it. I would figure out why it is not running properly and save that money for any costs you incure while figuring that out. Just my opinion take it as you want.

[LakaiorDie]

hmm weird.. I have less mods and my car makes more power then yours and I have 160k miles.. I'm tuned by Naji at looney tuned, great conservative tune btw.
I never ran speed density but I dont think speed density is really practical imho.

[Chips]

hmm weird.. I have less mods and my car makes more power then yours and I have 160k miles.. I'm tuned by Naji at looney tuned, great conservative tune btw.
I never ran speed density but I dont think speed density is really practical imho.

Funny how we were talking about speed density last night lol Id ask RRE to tak ea look at your car and your tune. maybe theres something that was over looked.

[Midnightevo04]

hmm weird.. I have less mods and my car makes more power then yours and I have 160k miles.. I'm tuned by Naji at looney tuned, great conservative tune btw.
I never ran speed density but I dont think speed density is really practical imho.

160k on your car dang! time to get a prius!

[Chips]

160k on your car dang! time to get a prius!

Or a 2.3 Stroker tehehehehehe

[M4Lki3r]

hmm weird.. I have less mods and my car makes more power then yours and I have 160k miles.. I'm tuned by Naji at looney tuned, great conservative tune btw.
I never ran speed density but I dont think speed density is really practical imho.

Yeah, a hot wire at the begining of a 10ft intake track that gets heated and cooled, guessing and averaging the amount of air passing by it is better than a pressure sensor and temp sensor mounted directly between the throttle body and engine.

Now to be fair, Speed Density on a stock ECU can be a little tricky, but in general, speed density is much more accurate and responsive than a MAF.

[one4]

I would get off sd and upgrade to a hta green. Sd on e85 when cold sucks.

[socaloc1]

You could get your money back on the second tune if your dissatisfied. Who tuned the car and was there any issues before tuning began.

[LakaiorDie]

Funny how we were talking about speed density last night lol Id ask RRE to tak ea look at your car and your tune. maybe theres something that was over looked.

I know right? only person I know that had spped density was well... daniel and look were his car is now..?

160k on your car dang! time to get a prius!

Fuck that.. id hate liife!

Yeah, a hot wire at the begining of a 10ft intake track that gets heated and cooled, guessing and averaging the amount of air passing by it is better than a pressure sensor and temp sensor mounted directly between the throttle body and engine.

Now to be fair, Speed Density on a stock ECU can be a little tricky, but in general, speed density is much more accurate and responsive than a MAF.

Most people i know dont care for speed density and Naji would refuse to tune you if you were trying to get a tune with speed density, maybe that why we just stayed away from it.

You could get your money back on the second tune if your dissatisfied. Who tuned the car and was there any issues before tuning began.

Just out of curiousity..



OP DM I'm curious if MIKE tuned you or Rick tuned you..

[2005EVO]

I agree SD on e85 does suck when its cold, but my car also runs equally as bad on 91 just starts up a little better. Tune was even worse before speed density. Car was tuned by Sam at RRE.

Thinking about upgrading the turbo to either the fp green or bbk full, but i would be buying the turbo used and I have heard that is hit or miss

[Chips]

[QUOTE=LakaiorDie;3899377]I know right? only person I know that had spped density was well... daniel and look were his car is now..?



Fuck that.. id hate liife!



Most people i know dont care for speed density and Naji would refuse to tune you if you were trying to get a tune with speed density, maybe that why we just stayed away from it.



Just out of curiousity..



OP DM I'm curious if MIKE tuned you or Rick tuned you..[/QUOTE

Yea :/ SD no bueno

[evo_jfa]

If I was you, I'll save money for turbo upgrade or bottom end internals. If you are still 60K, I'll maybe wait until reach 120k to rebuild the bottom end with forge internals; which could be 2.3 or just 2.0 High Compression.

If you track now and then the car, I'll recommend suspension or something in the transmission too.

[M4Lki3r]

Speed density running here on E85 and 91. Two cranks and I'm running if it's an overnight stay. If I drove it that day, it's the first crank.
SD, FP Green (Old school), 2.3, AEM EMS are the highlights of the power side of the build.

If you're already converted over to it, I'd say stay on it. I wouldn't suggest it to someone who didn't have it, but no real reason to go back.
You're injectors are fine. No real reason to change those either unless you're hitting a 90+ duty cycle, which I doubt based on your HP rating with a stock turbo.
If you're looking for faster, then you're at about the time to look at turbo upgrades. With a $1500 budget you're probably looking at a rebuilt/used or non-ballbearing turbos. I'd suggest saving up a bit more and get a BB Green or something along those lines. Personally I like "smaller" turbos to keep your lag time down and responsiveness up.

Also, have you ported your exhaust manifold or have a header? Or the intake manifold and throttlebody? Those look like the next bottlenecks in your intake/exhaust track.

[2005EVO]

Speed density running here on E85 and 91. Two cranks and I'm running if it's an overnight stay. If I drove it that day, it's the first crank.
SD, FP Green (Old school), 2.3, AEM EMS are the highlights of the power side of the build.

If you're already converted over to it, I'd say stay on it. I wouldn't suggest it to someone who didn't have it, but no real reason to go back.
You're injectors are fine. No real reason to change those either unless you're hitting a 90+ duty cycle, which I doubt based on your HP rating with a stock turbo.
If you're looking for faster, then you're at about the time to look at turbo upgrades. With a $1500 budget you're probably looking at a rebuilt/used or non-ballbearing turbos. I'd suggest saving up a bit more and get a BB Green or something along those lines. Personally I like "smaller" turbos to keep your lag time down and responsiveness up.

Also, have you ported your exhaust manifold or have a header? Or the intake manifold and throttlebody? Those look like the next bottlenecks in your intake/exhaust track.

Do you have problems with releasing the clutch from a stop, because my car is a challenge to get going everytime I stop. I think this has to do with the SD, which is part of the reason I want to get rid on SD.

Didnt do this on the old tune, with the same clutch.