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GokuSSJ4
02-16-2004, 12:07 AM
im in the market for a new pc ,(sine the old one pentium 3 ) is given me so many problems . Besides time for a Pentium 4 Hyperthreading, im fairly new went it comes to computers and building a custom one . I was advice that for the ones that they sell of the shelf Dell would be a good choice .
I have seen the following at Circuit City and Best Buy
Sony 3.2ghz 512mb 160GB hard drive and 128mb video card
Also Hp with the same specs
which were the 2 i was looking at .
But after seeing Dell's PC which is the 8300
with customizing it comes too 1700.00
which would be a 3.2ghz /800mhz FSB
1GHz memory rams , 256GB hard drive and 256mb video card
with the option of runing dual monitors and windows XP professional

Also what are the benefits of having 2 hard drives ??
Please let me know what you guys think

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&kc=6V591&l=en&oc=D83SO&s=dhs

robi
02-16-2004, 12:23 AM
Try Fry's they sometimes have crazy deals...I like two hard drives cause I ghost the main drive to a "hidden" partition on the second drive for OS disaster recovery...Also keeping data sep. from OS helps som on stability...Oh Get XP PRO well worth the Extra$$$'s

leaveit2bevo
02-16-2004, 12:56 AM
Pentium 4= weak sauce, if you want to go crazy the new amd 64 are out and so is the pentium 4 extreme(only good intel chip) but the 64 lacks support. all those set ups sound good the dell 8300 is good and do get professional it is worth it. The only problem with big companies is that you miss out on really quality after market hardware that makes a big difference.

ReHeat
02-16-2004, 01:25 AM
Depends on what you want to use the PC for. If you want a gaming PC then you want a powerful CPU and a great graphics card. If you don't game that much then a mid range PC should be sufficient. This website has recommendations for making both high end and value PCs, it might give you some help.

http://www.sharkyextreme.com

Dell has some nice deals if you can find one on sale and add some 10~15% off coupons. If you have 2 same size hard drives and your motherboard has a RAID controller, you can go with hardware RAID. It makes the apps run faster but you also lose disk space, so I don't think it's necessary for everyday use unless you're really hardcore about performance.

GokuSSJ4
02-16-2004, 03:13 AM
whats the difference on the hard drives , went it saids 250gb serial ata hard drive(7200rpm)
to 250gb raid 1(2x 250gb sata hdd)
thanks for the idea , i will check out Fry's tomorrow , also Bevo do you have a link for the amd 64
an also on the P4 extreme , where do i find that one at ???

han74j
02-16-2004, 05:40 AM
yeah dont buy from frys, best buy, circle city etc etc!!! if u dont play any games buy a dell!!! a good P4 goes for 400 bucks... but if u play games go to http://www.pricewatch.com/
and buy online you will get a cheaper price!! good luck

LiLaZnKrAcKhEd
02-16-2004, 10:11 AM
Ok, first, you got to decide if you want to build one yourself or buy one from one of those retails you mentioned. For me, as a gamer, I would build one my self because of all the variety of parts I get to choose from. And as for a gaming PC, AMD 64 is the way to go, AMD is proven to be better with games and the only reason Intel beats AMD with the office products is that they're designed for Intel.

As for your question about RAID, it is usually the process of combining two hard drives and split data to go half to each of the hard drives, this process will make your system faster, but if one of the hard drives die, you're screwed because half of the information is missing. As of now, I will go with Serial ATA, over all, it is still faster than regular UATA drives, even when raiding UATA drives.

And as for FRY's, I wouldn't buy there, there's an online store called MWAVE, and parts are usually about 10% cheaper than FRY's. They're located in City of Industry, so you don't have to pay shipping and just pick it up from their warehouse.

The AMD FX51 and Intel EE series? 3 words, waste of money. They're very expensive processors that do very good, you can say a Ferarri of processors. But depending on how you use, it's not worth it, the AMD FX51 itself is about 750, and Intel EE 3.2GHZ is about 900.

And last, if I were to buy a built computer, I would stick with DELL, I bought their laptop and never had any problems with it so far (almost 2 years now). They have very fast support and very reliable service.

So, PM me or give me a call 626-780-4116 (Alex) if you want some help building a PC. Good Luck!

310
02-16-2004, 03:07 PM
If you decide to build one yourself or upgrade later, I always use www.newegg.com to buy my parts. They don't always have the best prices (usually difference is about 5$ max) and you do pay tax since you're in cali, but they ship out from industry/puente hills, so you'll get parts in like one day. And they have the best service by far for online retailers. If you got problems with your equipment, they'll refund it.

pangaroo
02-16-2004, 03:57 PM
You can check this site

http://www.gotapex.com/deals.php

They find deals on random things... a lot of them are ways to drasticlly cut the cost down on PCs and Laptops from dell. Dell always has these coupons and instant rebates etc. I have used this site for years to get random things. Their forums section also has a lot of goodies.

pangaroo
02-16-2004, 03:59 PM
Oh yeah, if you also need a new monitor and dont mind spending some extra dough, that gotapex site always seems to find a way to cut down Dell's top of the line monitor down to about 750.

Its friggin awesome, my friend uses it. 20.1in lcd.

leaveit2bevo
02-16-2004, 04:19 PM
whats the difference on the hard drives , went it saids 250gb serial ata hard drive(7200rpm)
to 250gb raid 1(2x 250gb sata hdd)
thanks for the idea , i will check out Fry's tomorrow , also Bevo do you have a link for the amd 64
an also on the P4 extreme , where do i find that one at ???

That means that the first set up is just one 250gb hard drive. The second is 2 250gb hd running in the +1 raid array which is mirroring and duplexing, it does have its advatages and disadvantages.

Cr0mster
02-16-2004, 04:32 PM
What are you planning on using it for? Once you address that we can start making more recommendations.

LiLaZnKrAcKhEd
02-16-2004, 04:36 PM
If you decide to build one yourself or upgrade later, I always use www.newegg.com to buy my parts. They don't always have the best prices (usually difference is about 5$ max) and you do pay tax since you're in cali, but they ship out from industry/puente hills, so you'll get parts in like one day. And they have the best service by far for online retailers. If you got problems with your equipment, they'll refund it.

Yea, newegg is a good company, but lately, I've been price shopping (building new computer soon) and most of the Mwave's price are cheaper so far. Also, I live about 20 mins away from them, so I don't mind the drive to pick up the parts. I'm not sure if newegg has pickup though.

GokuSSJ4
02-16-2004, 10:38 PM
i plan on doing gaming , as well as storage of pics , music and videos . Obiously this pc that i have right now is not enought for all of that . An is old , I went to Fry's to price somethings out . Their current pc is 1100.00 which includdes p4 HT 3.0ghz /800mhzFSB ,200GBhd ,512mb which you can upgrade to another hard drive for 150.00 250gb hd and memory to 1g making it 1.5 gb mb . Also it allows you to be able to connect your TV,VCR and other things ...

leaveit2bevo
02-16-2004, 10:42 PM
One of the critical things to look at is not just the stats put what accutal products they are using like what mother board, what ram, hard drive.. etc trust me different companies make better products and makes a huge difference.

GokuSSJ4
02-16-2004, 10:45 PM
on that i have no clue on what products to be looking for ...
an i guess i would have to walk in there with a list ...

leaveit2bevo
02-16-2004, 10:47 PM
well if there using random cheap products that you have never heard of, its probally not something you want.

GokuSSJ4
02-17-2004, 09:22 AM
i see , what things would you recommend ???
Will it be better to go with Dell , then Fry's

leaveit2bevo
02-17-2004, 10:30 AM
If your going to be heavily gaming on it and to win games you need to have the fastest comp go with a custom set up. If you dont really need the fastest all out computer go with the Dell.

Coolguy949
02-17-2004, 11:12 AM
goku, i can build you an awesome pc for under 1000-1100 bucks...

just a preview of what i have

AMD Athlon "Barton" 3200+
Asus A7N8X Deluxe
1.5GB GEIL DDR400 Ram
Ati Radeon 9800 Pro 128
Dual WD Caviar Special Edition 80Gb
Antec Case w/ 430W PS
and more...

GokuSSJ4
02-17-2004, 11:24 AM
you are running a dual hard drive at 80gb ??
and 128 video card ??
Also will that be with XP professioanl ? and what other software will include .
Cause looking at the Dell it will be 2000.00 :yikes:
with the following
P4 with HT 3.2ghz w/800mhz FSB/1MB cache
1GB dual channel DDR SDRAM at 400mhz (2x512)
250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM )
should i consider adding a second Hard Drive ??
3.5 floppy Drive
Dual Drives: 16x DVD-ROM Drive 8x DVD+RW Drive
Record now ! software
DVI-VGA adapter to connect 2 CRT Monitors to dual capable video card
256MB DDR ATI RADEON 9800XT video card
Sound Blaster 5.1
Im not sure if do add Power Point or not but thats additional 249.00

ReHeat
02-17-2004, 12:02 PM
If you want one from Dell, you should wait till there's a sale and apply some coupon codes. If you just buy then at regular price they're not cheap. If you want the above setup, it probably would be cheaper if you build it yourself. What's your budget for this PC?

GokuSSJ4
02-17-2004, 12:33 PM
well between 1200-1500
as far as me building it , i dont have those type of skills ...
Is just information that i have gather to know what i want ...

perversity
02-17-2004, 12:54 PM
Try tigerdirect.com for prices as well. Don't just throw a PC together tho. Get the advice from one of us PC savvy people on here to help create a good, reliable pc.

Remember the rule for building things:

GOOD FAST CHEAP

Pick a combination of any of the two properties above.
(same goes for cars as well, swap out good for reliable)

GokuSSJ4
02-17-2004, 01:02 PM
thanks , thats the main reason i posted here . I just didnt want to go ahead and buy a computer. Then to be unhappy with the results or to replace every other year . I want something that is going to perform and not limite me to the things that i want to do .

leaveit2bevo
02-17-2004, 01:49 PM
Rob's set up is really good but the only problem is you dont get a lot of the software that comes with big companies like Dell. I perfer AMD over Intel, AMD is like a evo, Intel is like STI and we all know which is better.

GokuSSJ4
02-17-2004, 02:01 PM
LOL , can you break down what is involve on Robs set up ??
how much MB and GB of hard drive ??


[quote="Coolguy949"]goku, i can build you an awesome pc for under 1000-1100 bucks...

just a preview of what i have

AMD Athlon "Barton" 3200+
Asus A7N8X Deluxe
1.5GB GEIL DDR400 Ram
Ati Radeon 9800 Pro 128
Dual WD Caviar Special Edition 80Gb
Antec Case w/ 430W PS
and more...

can you tell me how big the hard drive is ?? and also can you upgrade the video card to 256mb ?
An is that with window XP professional ?
yes i know so many questions , let me know Rob since i will be making my mind soon . As far as going with Fry's im leading more to the Dell 8300 customize with the stuff that i have discribe above.

LiLaZnKrAcKhEd
02-17-2004, 03:02 PM
Goku, what coolguy's system is offering is a total of 160GB of HDD space Raid, and the Radeon 9800 Pro 128 is a very good card already, but if you really want 256, you have to get the Radeon 9800 XT which comes with 256, and that card should run about 400 bucks alone. I would recommend sticking with that 9800 Pro, that's what I have right now and it's awesome.

Also, if you want a computer that may last you a little longer, I would suggest going AMD 64, it's a new platform and sorry to say, the XP series is going to be obsolete in about from 6 months to a year. Then, after, if you want to upgrade, you dont have to worry about changing the motherboard for a better processor.

leaveit2bevo
02-17-2004, 04:17 PM
Ya I agree with lilaznkrackhed windows 64 should be coming out soon so the amd 64 should be getting some support, also all the new big games like half life2 and doom 3 will have 64 bit support. As far as video cards heres the problem softwear is still far behind what video cards are capable of so even if you get the 9800 pro xt no game is capable of really taking advantage of its power.

GokuSSJ4
02-17-2004, 06:23 PM
i would like on hard drive at least 250gb is what Rob offering a 64mb as well ???

Coolguy949
02-17-2004, 07:11 PM
Sorry guys, i've been swamped. The advantage with going with a "brand name" computer is the warranties and software bundles you get. I'm a computer geek, I have my own software, and i'm my own 24hour repair man so I dont care about warranty that much. Plus, if I build you guys a computer you'll probably know me for a while so if you ever had a problem i'd fix it for you.

Goku, yeah, i have two 80GB hard drives because I actually ordered one for the socalevo server and ended up keeping it for myself and added 200+ GB to the server instead.



The reason I didnt waste my money on a 256MB graphics card is because nothing utilizes that much ram or will soon. the ~400Mhz processor will become outdated before you utlize half that VRAM. Dont waste your money. Infact, if you read benchmakrs, the 256MB card is actually slower and accessing RAM because of the enlarged memory it has to search through. What I did was buy a Dell OEM Radeon 9800 off eBay and I softmodded (flashed) it to a 9800 Pro. All the 9800s are the same exact thing except that the XT has a larger heat sink and more RAM. Each one also has different stock clock speed set in the bios. I have my 9800 Pro with the Catalyst 6378 drivers and i'm using Rage3DTweak to overclock my card to 400.5Mhz and 351 Memory, a safe number to clock to.

http://socalevo.net/rlescaille/ati.jpg

Here's my 3D mark scores for my setup:

3DMark2001SE
http://socalevo.net/rlescaille/3dmark2001se.JPG

3DMark2003
http://socalevo.net/rlescaille/3dmark5895.JPG


My Athlon 3200+ is actully a Barton 2500+ overclocked to a 200Mhz FSB (x11 = 2200 Mhz). The chip is almost $100 cheaper than the 3200 but they are in the exact same chip. The 2500 Barton is just underclocked stock. I got the Y core I believe so temps are very low (~38 - 45 C full load).

LiLaZnKrAcKhEd
02-17-2004, 08:40 PM
Well, I got my parts for my computer today!

Specs:
AMD 64 3200+
ASUS K8V Deluxe
1024MB Crosair XMS series with LEDs $$ :D
Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB
Dual Western Digital SATA 120GB(240GB) 8MB RAID
Lite-On DVD/CD reader
Lite-On 8X DVD Dual burner
Floppy
Thermaltake Xaser V V5000A /w 480W PS

Everything is new but the video card, so everything excluding the card costs me about $1000. So, with the video card, it should run you about $1300.

GokuSSJ4
02-17-2004, 10:25 PM
wow !! that sounds resonable an how about if you run dual 160gb hard drive.
Since you guys are saying that is over kill to go with anything pass 128mb video card ( is that what you guys use to play also counter strike ?)
also since is AMD is that also the one that Bevo was mentioning 64mb instead of the 32mb and what program would that be windows or something else ???

LiLaZnKrAcKhEd
02-17-2004, 10:44 PM
Yea, you can run dual 160, but Wester Digital doesn't seem to have 160GB for SATA, but they do for UATA.

What bevo was talking about is the operating system. In maybe 2 or 3 years, Windows 64 will be out and your AMD64 will be able to support it. Instead, if you buy AMDXP processors, they will not. I don't think you would want me to explain but, lets just say, AMD64 will last longer than AMDXP.

GokuSSJ4
02-18-2004, 12:59 AM
do you guys have a link were it shows a AMD 64 ??
also what operation system will you use it with it ?? or is that it ??

leaveit2bevo
02-18-2004, 08:05 PM
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9487,00.html

alfredob1
02-18-2004, 08:18 PM
The AMD64 will work with any current operating system (Win 00/XP/03, Linux, Unix, etc.). Microsoft is also working on a 64 bit version of Windows but hardware makers still need to write 64 bit versions of their drivers.

GokuSSJ4
02-18-2004, 10:05 PM
so for the AMD 64 windows professional shouldnt be a problem using ...
Im waiting on Rob to give me more details but if i go with AMD 64 this is what i want
3200
1.5ghz memory
dual 200gb on hard drive
and since you guys dont recommend the 256mb video card then 128mb should be more then enough then
Also capable of supporting dual monitors
An how does the feature work were you are able to plug in your TV,VCR and radio ??
also sound blaster to enhance quality sound
Dual drive for DVD/RW

what do you guys think :cool:
http://www.boldata.com/html/config1.cfm?model_type_ID=44&model_ID=370&config_for=base

this is with what i came with
http://www.boldata.com/html/config1.cfm

alfredob1
02-18-2004, 10:08 PM
If you mean Windows XP Professional, no it shouldn't be a problem.

GokuSSJ4
02-18-2004, 10:26 PM
yeah , im seeing what AMD offers now .
BOLData® Mach 64™ Series
New! AMD Athlon™ 64 3200+ Processor with Hyper Threading Technology
total was 2000.00 with
1GB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (400MHz)
128MB DDR ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon 9800 PRO 3D Video 8X AGP
dual 200gb hard drive
and XP professional

this one is nice to
the AMD 64 3400+
http://www.boldata.com/html/config1.cfm?model_type_ID=44&model_ID=369&config_for=base

alfredob1
02-18-2004, 10:37 PM
I don't know about those guys. They can't even copy some simple information. They say the processor features "Hyper Threading Technology" which is actually a feature in the P4 processors (makes one procssor act like 2). What the AMD processor actually has is "HyperTransport Technology" (increases bandwidth). I know it's probably just an oversight but then again...

GokuSSJ4
02-18-2004, 11:39 PM
yeah i read that part , but just having an idea of what AMD 64 can do . Well at least i have one now ....

leaveit2bevo
02-19-2004, 12:11 AM
What mobo and ram are they running with that set up?

GokuSSJ4
02-19-2004, 12:53 AM
An this is by HP
Processor AMD Athlon(TM) 64 3400+ operating at 2.2GHz edit
Operating System Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Professional Edition edit
Memory 1 GB DDR / PC3200 (2 DIMM) edit
Hard Drive 320 GB RAID 0 (2 x 160GB SATA HDDs) - Performance edit
Primary CD/DVD Drive 4X DVD+RW/+R drive (DVD writer & CD-writer combo) edit
Secondary CD/DVD Drive 48x max hp CD-Writer Drive (48x24x48x) edit
Front Productivity Ports 1 USB 2.0, 1 Firewire, ArcSoft, 7-in-1 reader edit
Removable Storage 3.5 in. 1.44MB Floppy Drive edit
Graphics Card 128MB DDR ATI Radeon 9800(R) w/ TV-out & DVI cap edit
Sound Card Integrated 5.1 Capable Sound w/ front audio ports edit
Keyboard and Mouse HP Internet Keyboard, HP Optical Mouse edit
Productivity Software Microsoft(R) Works 7.0/Money 2004/MSN Encarta Plus
1939.00 for it , im starting to look more in to AMD 64 :cool:

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/cto/computer_customize_components.do

tama_mog
02-19-2004, 05:08 PM
I say dun buy bundles....build your own, easy to learn to build one and even without instructions, u can probably poke around and eventually figure out how to build it....in terms of the amd 64 bit chip (I thought they were called opterons or something, oh well not keepin up), realize the fact that the architectures are totally different and there are issues with compatibilities with a lot of instructions....I would still wait on that....and for deciding between AMD and Intel, just realize that AMD = pure raw power in terms of core clock speeds and Intel uses smarter ways of passin instructions to save computation. =)

leaveit2bevo
02-19-2004, 05:14 PM
Well this guy above you is wrong, first the amd 64 runs in the 32 bit mode so it would have problems with compatibility second its intel thats raw power and amd which finds new ways to save computation :wink:

tama_mog
02-19-2004, 05:37 PM
to my understanding, intel has always worked closely with i386 instructions (archaic yet still in use) and has patented many ways to optomize instructions (aka mmx bs etc). Amd can't do that since intel has all these "special" instructions patented and just makes faster cores. If I'm wrong...oh well, been like a year since I looked at the architecture of actual cpus....I thought the pt of amd 64 was to take advantage of an extra 32 bit to support higher uses for operating systems. That's what was announced when I was lookin @ it.

leaveit2bevo
02-19-2004, 07:36 PM
nope sorry to say intels processors have clock speed of 3.2 gigz but amd's processors run faster and only have a clock speed of 2.2. That was what the big deal was with the xp line because they had a new architector that allowed them to run faster than intels processors with higher clock speeds. The deal with the amd 64 is that it is still suppior to the 32bit processors because it is a new design and is ready for all the new games and windows that are going to support it. But it is totally compatible with 32bit because if it wasent who would buy it? sense there are no 64 bit apps yet it would be pointless to buy 64.

drmosh
02-19-2004, 07:54 PM
Let me expand on this, why do AMD's have faster linear integer performance than an Intel processor? Not because of mhz or ghz. This is really an apple to oranges comparison. The reason why AMD processors run faster at pure linear integer performance is because of it's architecture. The Intel Pentium is a pure CISC, it does not break down anything, so microcode assembly is processed as full instructions, regardless of the number of pipelines inside the processor. The AMD Athlon and 64 processors process the CISC into RISC and in turn is able to more streamline the pipelining process.

This is just a general explanation.

moogle
02-20-2004, 11:03 PM
Just got confused reading this thread.

GokuSSJ4
02-21-2004, 10:34 AM
all this computer talk ...:lol: get to learn something new each day :cool:

Hallster
02-29-2004, 09:00 PM
Did you end up finding a computer? I can help you out if you'd like. I'm pretty familiar with the computer industry - I work in it. Additionally, I worked for AMD's CPU group for four years before I left about a year and a half ago(I've got no affinity towards either company, Intel or AMD).

If you can wait, wait til the granstdale platforms come out in June. Thus, you would buy a grantdale platform with a prescott cpu...so, you might be thinking whats a granstdale and prescott??!?!?!... here's the jist:
- pci-xpress system bus PC(today is AGP and PCI)
- Pentium 4 with SSE3, 64 bit extensions ala x86-64(AMD), and a few other goodies
- big performance gain over today's systems
(The last time a PC's performance got this kind of boost, was when it went from ISA to PCI bus system - about eight years ago.)

Buying from a system builder, like Boldata, or an OEM, like Dell, each has its advantages and disadvantages. One's not necesarilay better than the other. Its really depends on what you're looking for in a PC.

I could go on for days about this topic, I'll just leave it at that for now.

good luck,

Sean

GokuSSJ4
02-29-2004, 11:27 PM
so the x86 AMD is coming out in june ????
Where can you purchase it from , since Dell only builts P4 not AMD ...

leaveit2bevo
02-29-2004, 11:51 PM
its already out he is talking about intel

GokuSSJ4
03-01-2004, 12:03 AM
oh ok , it doesnt compare to the FX51 64AMD then ...

Hallster
03-01-2004, 11:44 AM
oh ok , it doesnt compare to the FX51 64AMD then ...


so the x86 AMD is coming out in june ????
Where can you purchase it from , since Dell only builts P4 not AMD ...

GokuSSJ4,
Im talking about two fundamental changes to the PC platform:
1) The CPU - 64bit extensions to the 32bit CPU. AMD has already made this change with the sledgeghammer core. This includes Athlon64, Opteron, and Athlon FX products - all use the sledge core.
Intel will make this change when Prescotts comes to market. Prescott will be available no later than June.
1) The platform itself - Changing from an AGP and PCI platform to a PCI-Express platform. This change is coming via the grantsdale chipset, which will be available in June.
AMD will most likely lag Intel in the platform transition to PCI-Express. So Intel will be the logical choice when you take a look at the overall value of the platform - price, performance, reliability, etc.

So, if you choose Prescott + Grantsdale, all OEMs and most system builders will have systems available when Intel launchs the chipset and CPU.

So if you go with Grantsdale plus Prescott, I would recommend buying from an OEM(Dell, HP, IBM, et al). ODMs such as Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, etc will be selling new motherboard designs, and your risk for issues increase. So the system builder route, which use ODM boards, may be a little more risky. Of course, a system builder could always buy an Intel board based system.

Thats probably more info that you were looking for, yeah?

Sean

Btw, I would NEVER buy a platform with a VIA, SIS, or ALi chipset.

GokuSSJ4
03-01-2004, 12:40 PM
yeah i would call it computer talk , :yikes: lost there for a mimute ...

leaveit2bevo
03-01-2004, 07:33 PM
I dont know about that keep in mind amd is switching over to a the new 939 chip, and you cant really speculate on a chip and board thats not out yet. Neither AMD or intel can ever hit there dates so I would dought if there date is june it would be out then.

drmosh
03-01-2004, 08:00 PM
Yeah, I would wait too... most significant changes coming this year:

PCI-Express architecture (serialized bus and compatible with old PCI-X).

DDR3 - Triple multiplexed DDR RAM

ATI 420 and up chipsets, which will be even fast than the current generation 9800 pro, etc.

Hallster
03-04-2004, 08:52 AM
I dont know about that keep in mind amd is switching over to a the new 939 chip, and you cant really speculate on a chip and board thats not out yet. Neither AMD or intel can ever hit there dates so I would dought if there date is june it would be out then.

Intel's PCI-Express platforms are sampling now, AMD's are not. If you look back at the platform transitions, Intel is always in front. So i wouldn't expect this transition to be any different.

the 939 is not new. AMD took its 940 pin package(Opteron) and removed a pin to disable MP functionality.
keep in mind, AMD only has *one* sledge processor core. So all the different variations are just pin-out and package variations of the same core.

Sean

leaveit2bevo
03-04-2004, 11:46 AM
I dont know about that keep in mind amd is switching over to a the new 939 chip, and you cant really speculate on a chip and board thats not out yet. Neither AMD or intel can ever hit there dates so I would dought if there date is june it would be out then.

Intel's PCI-Express platforms are sampling now, AMD's are not. If you look back at the platform transitions, Intel is always in front. So i wouldn't expect this transition to be any different.

the 939 is not new. AMD took its 940 pin package(Opteron) and removed a pin to disable MP functionality.
keep in mind, AMD only has *one* sledge processor core. So all the different variations are just pin-out and package variations of the same core.

Sean

yes I know that but the 939 can run unregistered ram which is the current problem with the 940 processors.

Hallster
03-05-2004, 10:03 AM
oh ok , it doesnt compare to the FX51 64AMD then ...

GokuSSJ4,

Here's a deal on a HP a450e Athlon 64 3200+ Deskstop for $643. http://slickdeals.net/#p4322

Couple that with the VisiontTek Xtasy 9800 PRO 256MB Video Card for $218(link below), and you'll have a smokin system for roughly 850.

http://slickdeals.net/#p4329

Deals on slickdeals tend to expire within 24hours, so if you want it, get it right away.

Sean

Evo8
03-05-2004, 10:08 AM
I recommend an alienware. Those computers are tight but they cost alot.

leaveit2bevo
03-05-2004, 01:51 PM
I recommend an alienware. Those computers are tight but they cost alot.

alienware is wayyyyyyyyyyy over priced you can build the same system without that ugly case for way cheaper.

Coolguy949
03-05-2004, 02:16 PM
Heck, or even the same case! I built this for $900:

http://www.socalevo.net/gallery/albums/other_stuff/DCP_0034.jpg

Red for Radeon 9800 Pro :)

The Emperor
03-05-2004, 02:20 PM
if you really want the most kick ass pc IMO: www.alienware.com. but that's only if you have the cash otherwise i would build my own. it's not hard at all to build one. actually it's quite fun=)

Coolguy949
03-05-2004, 02:24 PM
ocsystem.com makes overclocked retail computers kinda like the ones us hax0rz build. They are very well priced for what you get. They even give you your 3DMark scores.

leaveit2bevo
03-05-2004, 03:19 PM
if you really want the most kick ass pc IMO: www.alienware.com. but that's only if you have the cash otherwise i would build my own. it's not hard at all to build one. actually it's quite fun=)

ya right all the comps ive built will out run the alienware counterparts and I probally paid like 1g less.