apprently MR isnt king of the hill

[leaveit2bevo]

Stole this of evom: In the new Motor Trend mag March 2005 they compare the three Evos. Here are some of the results.


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| Evo | VIII | MR | RS |
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| 0-30 | 1.4 | 1.5 | 1.3 |
| 0-40 | 2.3 | 2.6 | 2.2 |
| 0-50 | 3.5 | 3.5 | 3.3 |
| 0-60 | 4.7 | 4.7 | 4.3 |
| 0-70 | 6.5 | 6.4 | 6.0 |
| 0-80 | 8.3 | 8.0 | 7.7 |
| 0-90 | 11.0 | 10.5 | 10.0 |
| 0-100 | 13.5 | 13.1 | 12.6 |
| 1/4 mile | 13.5@100 | 13.4@102 | [email protected] |
| Brake,100-0 | 322 | 316 | 341 |
| brake,60-0 | 111 | 111 | 112 |
| 600ft slalom | 70.9mph | 70.1mph | 69.3mph |
| 200ft skid pad | .94 | .95 | .95 |
| roadcourse lap sec. | 92.07 | 91.80 | 92.15 |
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[toku-one]

if by hill you mean quater mile

cause it seems to be better in the braking and the road coursing


and we all know that we didnt buy the car for the straight line

[leaveit2bevo]

well it did lose in the 900ft slalom

[alex_alex]

interesting numbers . . .

[EVO Neil]

...or is it King of the Hill? The numbers are only part of the story...

Buy it!

Read it!

Discuss it!

Just don't scan it and post it here...

[Blaze]

I read that article and it gave me the impression that the EVO was king of the hill again.

I think "contests" like this are operator and opinion driven. By this I suggest that the winner or the trial is decided long before the outcome is reached.

Blaze

[Eckolaker]

Most of those numbers are probably due to the Weight of the RS. 1/4 times will be less for the RS. Not sure on the exact curb weight of the vehicles, but I know there is a difference.

[Macky]

all 3 cars arent exactly the same. of course there will be one that will stand out. it doesnt take rocket science to figure that one out :wink:

[wilson1]

It's out already?

:shock:

[Boosted]

YOUR DAMN RIGHT BITCHES!!!1!1!11!!!!11!!!!1!!!!!11!!1

psssh ACD my car can pee itself

[Macky]

The numbers are only part of the story...

[Boosted]

pssh and the lap times dont mean anything cus if I were driving you would of had to add another 35 seconds to the GSR and MR so I had time to get outta the car and kick the wing off

[Richard EVO]

I've seen the posts on evom but not the article yet. Did the same driver post all the times? It appears that the RS, with it's significantly better acceleration, lost on the road course because of no ABS. But the lap times are pretty close, maybe the driver got distracted in the RS cause a fly hit his windshield, costing a few 10ths of a second on his lap time.

[EVO Neil]

I've seen the posts on evom but not the article yet. Did the same driver post all the times? It appears that the RS, with it's significantly better acceleration, lost on the road course because of no ABS. But the lap times are pretty close, maybe the driver got distracted in the RS cause a fly hit his windshield, costing a few 10ths of a second on his lap time.

Same driver for all tests.

[Richard EVO]

Please consider that a difference of 3 or 4 10ths of a second means different things in different tests. The 4/10s of a second that the RS beats the MR and GSR in 0 - 60 mph is a HUGE difference. The 3/10 of a second that the GSR beats the RS on a road course that takes about 92 seconds to run is miniscule. It's just insignificant.

[Macky]

the Evo is not a drag car

[leaveit2bevo]

and how many of you MR owns go to the track?

[Richard EVO]

I saw an MR at the NASA event at Infineon-Sears Point last weekend. He wasn't in my run group, so I have no idea how he did.

[leaveit2bevo]

ya I know some run the track but you cant brag about the MR's track nums if you dont track the car.

[trannb]

Can't we all just get along? :cry:

[T-Back]

For me, any Evo trim level is good to have, no matter what set-up they have like MR's bilsteins, RS with no wing, it is still an Evo. No contest!

[moogle]

GSR WOOT.

[WavMixer]

Hey now guys, we all own Evo's. But I bought my GSR for a daily driver with road racing capabilites:
roadcourse lap sec. | 92.07 | 91.80 | 92.15 |

[Macky]

ya I know some run the track but you cant brag about the MR's track nums if you dont track the car.

who was bragging about the MR's track numbers?

[mybada]

RS is slowest on the track!!! ?? or are they confused and put RS number to GSR??

[Blak94GSX]

The RS doesn't have ABS, so all but the most skilled drivers will be slower in the RS. The GSR and MR have the same brakes and ABS, so the driver can just slam on the brakes at the last second and the ABS sorts it out most of the time.

One could argue that the lack of ABS in the RS makes it a superior track car, but in reality there are very few drivers that can do better without ABS.

I don't mean to imply the test driver wasn't highly skilled either. It takes a lot of experience with a car to get the braking down perfectly without ABS.

There is no doubt the RS is the best all-around model as far as track performance capability goes, however the reality is that it may not be the easiest to drive to full capability.

[Macky]

where did i read that line that even Rubens Barrichello cannot modulate a brake pedal faster than a modern ABS system? :wink:

[tlcrox]

All three models are great cars, what you buy depends on several factors. I have driven each model extensively. The MR is the best daily driver if you can afford it. The VIII has a price advantage over the MR with similar performance #s. It's a litttle rougher on the street. The RS is the track car.

By the way, last fill up on the MR...21.3mpg.

[Macky]

i got 23 last time :D

[Boosted]

The RS doesn't have ABS, so all but the most skilled drivers will be slower in the RS. The GSR and MR have the same brakes and ABS, so the driver can just slam on the brakes at the last second and the ABS sorts it out most of the time.

One could argue that the lack of ABS in the RS makes it a superior track car, but in reality there are very few drivers that can do better without ABS.

I don't mean to imply the test driver wasn't highly skilled either. It takes a lot of experience with a car to get the braking down perfectly without ABS.

There is no doubt the RS is the best all-around model as far as track performance capability goes, however the reality is that it may not be the easiest to drive to full capability.

hmm threshold...

[hksevo8]

The best part of this is that if any of us were driving anyone of those cars on the track each one of us would have come up with any number of lap times. I think the point of the article (i have not read it yet) is to show just how close all three are. MR = Great ride quality, GSR = run of the mill, RS = a great starting place for a track car........

[Boosted]

The best part of this is that if any of us were driving anyone of those cars on the track each one of us would have come up with any number of lap times. I think the point of the article (i have not read it yet) is to show just how close all three are. MR = Great ride quality, GSR = run of the mill, RS = a great starting place for a track car........

translation in renzo's mind

mr-ooh shiny what are the spikes for? why are your wheels different?why are they grey?how come your is this color?Can I drive it? can i have your paint on my car? ooh curly things have yellow... does it weigh more than me? why is it faster than mine? does yours come with a bov? why does it have a 6th gear? what time is it? can i have a ride?

GSR- the stock seats suck

im not even going ot get into the RS

[EVO Neil]

I don't mean to imply the test driver wasn't highly skilled either. It takes a lot of experience with a car to get the braking down perfectly without ABS.

There is no doubt the RS is the best all-around model as far as track performance capability goes, however the reality is that it may not be the easiest to drive to full capability.

Look at the 60-0 numbers and you'll see our test driver got within 1 foot of the ABS cars in the RS. Not bad, eh?

[EVO Neil]

RS is slowest on the track!!! ?? or are they confused and put RS number to GSR??

Nope - the numbers are correct.

[Thedread]

Sounds like we have three winners. MR overall, GSR for price, RS for track (it's going to be modded anyway)

[kipper215]

MR is a nice package.

[Macky]

it definitely is 8)

[Macky]

finally got my copy of the magazine in the mail - awesome!

[gofaster87]

The best part of this is that if any of us were driving anyone of those cars on the track each one of us would have come up with any number of lap times. I think the point of the article (i have not read it yet) is to show just how close all three are. MR = Great ride quality, GSR = run of the mill, RS = a great starting place for a track car........

Thats funny how you quote the GSR as run of the mill. There is no such thing as run of the mill. Theyre all the same damn car with a few slight differences that can be overcome. I get the impression that MR owners think theyre special for gods sake all of Mackys post have to include something about an MR. Run of the mill my ass, sometimes the shit spewing out of peoples mouths is unbelieveable, including my own.

[leaveit2bevo]

The best part of this is that if any of us were driving anyone of those cars on the track each one of us would have come up with any number of lap times. I think the point of the article (i have not read it yet) is to show just how close all three are. MR = Great ride quality, GSR = run of the mill, RS = a great starting place for a track car........

Thats funny how you quote the GSR as run of the mill. There is no such thing as run of the mill. Theyre all the same damn car with a few slight differences that can be overcome. I get the impression that MR owners think theyre special for gods sake all of Mackys post have to include something about an MR. Run of the mill my ass, sometimes the shit spewing out of peoples mouths is unbelieveable, including my own.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ agrees with this statment.

[Macky]

what made the MR unique was that it was where the new technology of Mitsubishi was introduced. eventually it was obvious it was going to trickle down into less expensive models. i knew that before i got one.

does that make it higher above all else? no. there is always something better out there.

but for those that couldnt afford to spend all their money on mods or have more responsibilities in life, getting an MR would be the best compromise of everything you can get for an Evo. sure their differences may be overcome by a few tweaks here and a few mods there, but not everyone has that luxury.

[G20]

and how many of you MR owns go to the track?

I know one MR went to the track (Willow Spring) with only 450 miles on it to complete the break-in. :D

[wilson1]

and how many of you MR owns go to the track?

I know one MR went to the track (Willow Spring) with only 450 miles on it to complete the break-in. :D


yeah!

[leaveit2bevo]

and how many of you MR owns go to the track?

I know one MR went to the track (Willow Spring) with only 450 miles on it to complete the break-in. :D

thats tight everyone with a MR should go to the track, there better looking at the track then in your drive way!!!

[Macky]

thats tight everyone with a MR should go to the track, there better looking at the track then in your drive way!!!

i honestly think you are damn right on this one, it just sucks i dont have the time to do so :cry:

[EVO Neil]

thats tight everyone with a MR should go to the track, there better looking at the track then in your drive way!!!

You're forgetting that all 2004/2005 owners have more at risk, given the 10 year powertrain warranty that could be voided by tracking your car. It's no small thing when you compare it to 2003's, it's 7 years longer, or more than double the warranty period.

[hagakure]

For 90% of us on thiss board, none of this has any real utility. The biggest issue is the skill of the driver. Most of us here would get spanked by many truly good drivers in much lower powered cars. Check out the expensive, fast machinery getting passed with regularity by a lot of the spec miata guys at track days.....the focus here is in the wrong place, and the differences between the three cars is miniscule....

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