dr gray special definitions (STAGES)

[trinydex]

You can find an updated version in the RRE website... here's the quote and the direct link to all the info in the different stages RRE offers.



NECRO BUMP

I had asked Mike and Scot a while back if they have updated a lot of this info. Mike did and it is hugely useful. If you own an EVO, this is your dream list:

http://roadraceengineering.com/evo/evo9-stagedpackages.htm




[email protected] dr gray's email

blak94gsx dr gray's socalevo name

here's the recipes edited for those who might want to use flash tuning instead of safc + injectors

www.roadraceengineering.com

Well the standard Stage 1 is:

-3" catback exhaust
-Walbro 255lph fuel pump
-Dejon Tool Manual Boost Controller
-Apexi SAFC
-720cc Denso Injectors

you'll need someone to turn the knobs on the safc road tune

Flashy Stage 1 is:

-3" catback exhaust
-Walbro 255lph fuel pump
-Dejon Tool Manual Boost Controller

you'll need someone to push the buttons on the laptop for a ecuflash road tune


Stage 1+ is all of Stage 1 or Flashy Stage 1 +:

-3" downpipe
-RRE Rally Cat
-HKS 272 Cams

plus the additions of an optional o2 housing or 10.5 hot side if applicable.

Stage 2 is:

-Walbro 255lph fuel pump
-Dejon Tool Manual Boost Controller
-Apexi SAFC
-3" catback exhaust
-720cc Denso Injectors
-HKS 272 Cams
-3" downpipe
-RRE Rally Cat
-GT3076R turbo

you'll need someone to turn the knobs on the safc tune


Flashy Stage 2 is:

-Walbro 255lph fuel pump
-Dejon Tool Manual Boost Controller
-3" catback exhaust
-720cc Denso Injectors
-HKS 272 Cams
-3" downpipe
-RRE Rally Cat
-GT3076R turbo

you'll need someone to push the buttons on laptop for the ecuflash tune


Stage 2+ is all of Stage 2 +:

-AEM EMS
-AEM MAP Sensor
-MAFless intake
-GM AIT Sensor
-Zeitronix ZT2 Wideband
-Upgraded FMIC and IC piping

you'll need someone to push the button on the laptop for the ems tune


Stage 3 is:

-Walbro 255lph fuel pump
-Dejon Tool Manual Boost Controller
-3" catback exhaust
-1000cc Denso Injectors
-HKS 280 Cams
-3" downpipe
-RRE Rally Cat
-GT35R turbo
-AEM EMS
-AEM MAP Sensor
-MAFless intake
-GM AIT Sensor
-Zeitronix ZT2 Wideband
-Upgraded FMIC and IC piping
-Built 2.4 Liter 4G64 engine (eagle rods, wiseco 8.5CR pistons)
-race ported head with oversized valves

you'll need someone to push the buttons on the ems tune

[Blak94GSX]

www.roadraceengineering.com

Well the standard Stage 1 is:

-Walbro 255lph fuel pump
-Dejon Tool Manual Boost Controller
-Apexi SAFC
-3" catback exhaust
-720cc Denso Injectors

Stage 1+ is all of Stage 1 +:

-HKS 272 Cams
-3" downpipe
-RRE Rally Cat


Stage 2 is:

-Walbro 255lph fuel pump
-Dejon Tool Manual Boost Controller
-Apexi SAFC
-3" catback exhaust
-720cc Denso Injectors
-HKS 272 Cams
-3" downpipe
-RRE Rally Cat
-GT3076R turbo

Stage 2+ is all of Stage 2 +:

-AEM EMS
-AEM MAP Sensor
-MAFless intake
-GM AIT Sensor
-Zeitronix ZT2 Wideband
-Upgraded FMIC and IC piping


Stage 3 is:

-Walbro 255lph fuel pump
-Dejon Tool Manual Boost Controller
-3" catback exhaust
-1000cc Denso Injectors
-HKS 280 Cams
-3" downpipe
-RRE Rally Cat
-GT35R turbo
-AEM EMS
-AEM MAP Sensor
-MAFless intake
-GM AIT Sensor
-Zeitronix ZT2 Wideband
-Upgraded FMIC and IC piping
-Built 2.4 Liter 4G64 engine (eagle rods, wiseco 8.5CR pistons)
-race ported head with oversized valves

[AD_LIB]

out of curiosity why the 272/272 combo instead of the 264/272 staggered setup?

-BA

[darthfoul]

after stage 1, I'm guessing that you'd want to go ahead and replace the clutch, right? I'd want to include that into my list of things, seeing as the stock clutch probably won't want to hang with close to 350whp.

[Tarmac02]

Meh... depends on how hard you are on the stock clutch... Darwin was on his stocker for the longest time.

Having an Evo.... it's always good to be saving up for a new clutch anyway since the past record is so GREAT on those :roll:

[gevo]

my clutch would have been fine if it weren't for the drag strip. :(

[Tarmac02]

Yeah ... I've driven the living shit out of my car

still on my stock clutch... smooth

[alex_alex]

Yeah ... I've driven the living shit out of my car

still on my stock clutch... smooth

same here.

i actually changed out my stocker preventatively (when there was nothing wrong with it) at 13k, switched to the ACT which went haywire on me, switched BACK to the stocker . . . and the car is fine.

its got a bit more power than stock, made 360hp / 350 tq at Tuning Technologies, and has seen quite a few track days, and is still running just dandy. I never drop the clutch though, b/c rarely do i get a chance to live my life a quarter mile at a time

[trinydex]

out of curiosity why the 272/272 combo instead of the 264/272 staggered setup?

-BA

prolly mainly becuase you get all the bad idling without all the power increase... i mean the compromise is so slight (one of the first things goku ever told me was that there's practically no diff in idle between straight and staggered).

plus with the correct cam timing you can eliminate most of the bad idle (at least the stalling kind)

[KRS333]

What about prices for these stages.. Anybody have that available?

[Knower]

What about prices for these stages.. Anybody have that available?

Call up Road///Race Engineering and rattle off the list of parts you want and ask for the price installed and tuned. They will give you a number. Post it here. (This is what Gray will tell you too).

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/evo.htm

The numbers will differ a little based upon things like choice of 3" catback exhaust and such. The bang for the buck is very good on all these Dr. Gray/RRE eleventybillion stages.

[trannb]

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[Blak94GSX]

Oh man... Iz all true...

[Skiracer]

I got the $6 Carl Jr's tune the other day 8) Result, more powah!

[Evorob]

So wait, not to jack the thread, but I'm a little confused on RRE. So RRM and RRE are like the same company but have seperate garages in sante fe springs? I used to go to RRM all the time for my lancer stuff. :?:

[Blak94GSX]

Yeah they try to keep it confusing...

Road Race Engineering is the main shop. Been around forever, specialize in EVO, DSM and Mazda 323GTX stuff. They make rally cars, build racing transmissions, fabricate intercoolers, piping, exhaust, downpipes, intakes, seat brackets, rollcages, fuel systems, everything that you need to make a car go. Plus they do service work like clutch jobs, cam installs, and tuning. Basically one stop for everything on your car, and any parts you want. They have built a lot of the Mitsubishi cars for the SEMA shows, as well as building and maintaining a dozen or so race cars for different classes of road racing, autox, drag racing and rally.

Then from there some other shops sorta branched off:

-Road Race Motorsports / Carbontrix do carbon fiber stuff and Lancer (not EVO) performance parts

-Raod Race Service builds EVO and DSM engines as well as doing the installation/removal of the engines and general stuff related to engine swaps. They build 4G63 2.0L, 4G63 2.3L stroker, and 4G64 2.4L motors. They sell their motors to other shops as well

-Road Race Chassis is the newest and is John Mueller from RRE setting up shop across the street with his own space. They do chassis/suspension work as the name suggests and also maintain the race cars for Kent Jordan

[WavMixer]

So what is the estimated power gain from the Stage 1?

Anyone have dyno charts?

http://wavmixer.com/evo/dyno/Boost.jpg

[CHIGGA73]

What is the estimated whp on the stage 2 (all of stage 1+ plus a 3076 turbo) ?


what what kind of gas running what kind of boost? these are like the worst questions ever.


what ever! the question was like, to see if anyone like, had this set up, oh'ma'gosh!

just playin' triny

sorry if i am less experienced in the internet forums than most of you guys and that i post a question to gain knowledge that i obivously lack. just curious

91 octane cause it is a daily drive, and i don't know what boost i could run, i'm not a pro tuner :-(

[EvoPwr]

400 to the wheels on 91.

[Skiracer]

Dr. Gray Stage 1 without cams should be close to 300ish. If you add cams, it'll be anywhere from 320-340whp, depending on your particular car.

[WavMixer]

out of curiosity why the 272/272 combo instead of the 264/272 staggered setup?

-BA


Did you ever get the answer?
Because the 272/272 will give you a larger power increase than the 264/272 combination.

[Raine3D]

Im only going for a stage 1+ / 2 atm but am interested to know how much HP you get out of a stage 3

[trinydex]

out of curiosity why the 272/272 combo instead of the 264/272 staggered setup?

-BA


Did you ever get the answer?
Because the 272/272 will give you a larger power increase than the 264/272 combination.
i prefer to think of it as, there's nothing you can do with the 264 combo that you can't do with te 272s straight up.

[blkside]

Does anyone have Stage 1 installed on a 9...I am looking overall for about 330-350....and also what the price of the package is...I am in the process of debating what I want...

[Blak94GSX]

Basic stage 1 setup on a 9 nets around 330awhp. Basically around 20-30awhp more than the 8.

[blkside]

Who do I need to talk to about it and can I get a rough priceÂ* quote.... 94GSX...are you gray....I know he is on here somewhere....

trinydex: yes he is scot gray

[Blak94GSX]

The stage 1 with a HKS 280 exhaust cam and adjustable cam gear (stage 1+ for 9s) works out to around 350awhp.

[blkside]

I am pretty sure that you get them all together...You can have injectors without a tune....blah blah...plus it is much more convenient to either buy a stage or gather all your parts and get tuned at once...instead of at each little step...I am interested in this 1+ using the Crower 272's...

[GokuSSJ4]

I am pretty sure that you get them all together...You can have injectors without a tune....blah blah...plus it is much more convenient to either buy a stage or gather all your parts and get tuned at once...instead of at each little step...I am interested in this 1+ using the Crower 272's...

Gray works with RRE
so for all your needs www.roadraceengineering.com you can give them a call and they will provide you with prices.
you can purchase one item at a time or the entire thing...
talk to Robert or Ty @RRE for details

[GokuSSJ4]

Ok who is running Stage 1 Gray and what are you putting out to THE WHEELS...preferably on an 8 but I can guesstimate what it will be on a IX.

here is an idea for a stage 1+
VIII (with 9.8 hot side) 310-330whp
VIII (with 10.5 hot side) 320-345whp
IX's i believe with similar mods (1 exhaust cam) around 340-350whp...

[ebevo]

Ok who is running Stage 1 Gray and what are you putting out to THE WHEELS...preferably on an 8 but I can guesstimate what it will be on a IX.

here is an idea for a stage 1+
VIII (with 9.8 hot side) 310-330whp
VIII (with 10.5 hot side) 320-345whp
IX's i believe with similar mods (1 exhaust cam) around 340-350whp...


hmm...those #'s seem high...are those #'s on 91 oct or 100 oct?

from what i recall from previous posts

stage 1 on VIII with 10.5 was under 300 whp on 91 oct

oh those numbers are for a stage 1+

[EvoPwr]

where does the new tranny/clutch and radiator and all of those needed things come into play?

[C-Spec]

where does the new tranny/clutch and radiator and all of those needed things come into play?


stage 2 i would guess or replace the radiator and intercooler if you are track whore in Willow Spring summer time 100+ degree weather.

[EvoPwr]

where does the new tranny/clutch and radiator and all of those needed things come into play?


stage 2 i would guess or replace the radiator and intercooler if you are track whore in Willow Spring summer time 100+ degree weather.


intercooler i thought was only rated to around 400 HP

[CHIGGA73]

my 05 VIII with 10.5 hotside dyno'd at Tuning tech at 321 hp 325 tq to the wheels

that was with stage 1+ the 264/272 hks cams but not rally cat, only high flow cat. they said @ 5-10 whp more with the rally cat.

[trinydex]

i cleaned this thread up, if you feel that your banter was wrongfully deleted then i'm sorry, this thread will from now on only be for identifying what the stages are and their possible horsepower aspirations.

there likely will not be prices posted because there is no set product line, everyone wants something different. best bet is to CALL ROADRACE, they don't like forumboardland as they're always poking fun at it. just call them.

(562) 777-1522

[GokuSSJ4]

Scot-
what different results have you seen amoung the stages (including the stage 1 or 1+) with an SAFC vs EMS ... ?

[Blak94GSX]

The higher the stage the more of an advantage the EMS is for power. I don't recommend the EMS for a stage 1, but with the Stage 2+ and higher the EMS is good for an additional 50-100 HP depending on the setup.

[JDMC-WestEVO]

wat if you put the invidia 02 housing in there sam says those add a ton of power

[hyp36rmax]

whats an equivalent stage for a IX?

3" Downpipe
Rallycat
Catback exhaust
720cc Injectors ?
SAFCII ?
ECUFlash ?

[Blak94GSX]

It is the same for the IX, just substitute the Cosworth 272 cams instead of the HKS 272 cams.

[jamesinger]

NECRO BUMP

I had asked Mike and Scot a while back if they have updated a lot of this info. Mike did and it is hugely useful. If you own an EVO, this is your dream list:

http://roadraceengineering.com/evo/evo9-stagedpackages.htm

[obstacle1]

;)

[GokuSSJ4]

NECRO BUMP

I had asked Mike and Scot a while back if they have updated a lot of this info. Mike did and it is hugely useful. If you own an EVO, this is your dream list:

http://roadraceengineering.com/evo/evo9-stagedpackages.htm


I need to change my 3" FMIC for better results damn it!!!
LOL
I need a 3.5 or 4" garret ETS set up/./
thanks for the link, I will edit the first post on the latest news from RRE website; since this info wasn't available when the first post was create it.