where does the power go after 5300rpm

[GOOSE_Ej]

So today I was on the freeway going to work 5fwy south. There was an accident on the carpool lane some truck had flipped over and junk... anywho there was this stupid slow truck in front of me and I was in 1st gear so I take off 1st gear great 2nd, from 2nd to 3rd I feel not much power at around 5200rpm 3rd to 4th I take it to around 5500rpms i just feel the car like my old civic with no vtec :P .. Anyways I was thinking if the lancer doesn’t make power after 5300rpms I can easily get burned by my bro’s built b18c … this will suck cause im AWD and he is only FWD... Does this happen to anyone else... my car only has about 1800miles on it I mean the car has power and stuff but it seems it lose power after 5100rpm… it feels like the car needs something.. Why is this??

Thanks
-GOOSE_Ej

[Skiracer]

Boost is at 19PSI around 3500 RPM's, then it tapers to 16PSI. Get a manual boost controller so it can hold 19PSI all the way to redline...

[dlieu959]

Turbo back exhaust with high flow cat or cat delete will help too

(assuming you don't already have these mods yet)

[Howie]

ya.. the boost drops off after 5500rpm. I currently just have a turbo-back and a P2 flash which holds boost to redline. This helped out a lot.

[GOOSE_Ej]

what is it that i need ..
boost controller
Turbo back exhaust with high flow cat

how much is this stuff and how hard is to install..??

thanks :P

[GokuSSJ4]

So today I was on the freeway going to work 5fwy south. There was an accident on the carpool lane some truck had flipped over and junk... anywho there was this stupid slow truck in front of me and I was in 1st gear so I take off 1st gear great 2nd, from 2nd to 3rd I feel not much power at around 5200rpm 3rd to 4th I take it to around 5500rpms i just feel the car like my old civic with no vtec :P .. Anyways I was thinking if the lancer doesn’t make power after 5300rpms I can easily get burned by my bro’s built b18c … this will suck cause im AWD and he is only FWD... Does this happen to anyone else... my car only has about 1800miles on it I mean the car has power and stuff but it seems it lose power after 5100rpm… it feels like the car needs something.. Why is this??

Thanks
-GOOSE_Ej
Once you start to modify the car you can make the top end come alive. All it takes are some simple bolt ons to make the car quick. If you do a search you can find different routes that peeps have choosen. IMO the best one to take would be a Dr. Gray stage 1+, you don't spend much and you obtain great results. Imagine having near 300whp and between 320-340 (depending if you have a 10.5 hotside or not) on 91 octane with cams.

[GOOSE_Ej]

so was is it exactly i need i make good power..

if i get a boost controller do i need to change my injectors if so with how many CCs and what is the current CCs on stock injectors?

[dlieu959]

just start off with a turbo back exhaust. There are so many different companies, just pick your flavor. Get a manual boost controller and go from there.

[GOOSE_Ej]

i want to get the espelier exhuast is that any good i want like a kinda high pitch but not deep sound.. as for boost controller whats good?

[GokuSSJ4]

TBE (between 700-900)
SAFC II 300.00
MBC -dejon- 50.00
720cc -denso- injectors 400.00
cams 272/272 HKS 500.00

and have Dr. Gray tune it for you

[GOOSE_Ej]

TBE (between 700-900)
SAFC II 300.00
MBC -dejon- 50.00
720cc -denso- injectors 400.00
cams 272/272 HKS 500.00

and have Dr. Gray tune it for you

wow thats alot of $$$

srry i dont know what TBE, SAFC II, MBC, is srry im new to this stuff...

[GokuSSJ4]

TBE (between 700-900)
SAFC II 300.00
MBC -dejon- 50.00
720cc -denso- injectors 400.00
cams 272/272 HKS 500.00

and have Dr. Gray tune it for you

wow thats alot of $$$

srry i dont know what TBE, SAFC II, MBC, is srry im new to this stuff...
you can start with what seems the easiest on your budget, you don't necessary need to purchase all at once.
TBE= Turbo back exhaust
MBC= Manual Boost Controller
SAFC controls air and fuel
injectors help out with having a higher fuel cut (so you can boost abit more safe) and timing
Like most people have mention, start with a TBE and a MBC and build up to what you need in the list. You will see great results once you have everything and tune the car properly. You will always see gains once you start modding but nothing like once you get the car properly tune.

[Skiracer]

Goku's a baller, so cost is no object to him :lol:

[Dmoney]

what is it that i need ..
boost controller
Turbo back exhaust with high flow cat

how much is this stuff and how hard is to install..??

thanks :P

Start with boost controller it is the cheapest.

[GOOSE_Ej]

what is it that i need ..
boost controller
Turbo back exhaust with high flow cat

how much is this stuff and how hard is to install..??

thanks :P

Start with boost controller it is the cheapest.

can i just put the boost controller w/o changing my injectors???? and which boost controller do i get???? :x

[trannb]

Yes. Dejon Tool. $50.

[GOOSE_Ej]

Yes. Dejon Tool. $50.

ahah did u just call me a tool?? ahahahahaha!!

or is that what its called.

i see ok thanks guys..

[airforce1]

TBE (between 700-900)
SAFC II 300.00
MBC -dejon- 50.00
720cc -denso- injectors 400.00
cams 272/272 HKS 500.00

and have Dr. Gray tune it for you

wow thats alot of $$$

srry i dont know what TBE, SAFC II, MBC, is srry im new to this stuff...
you can start with what seems the easiest on your budget, you don't necessary need to purchase all at once.
TBE= Turbo back exhaust
MBC= Manual Boost Controller
SAFC controls air and fuel
injectors help out with having a higher fuel cut (so you can boost abit more safe) and timing
Like most people have mention, start with a TBE and a MBC and build up to what you need in the list. You will see great results once you have everything and tune the car properly. You will always see gains once you start modding but nothing like once you get the car properly tune.

dont forget fuel pump ~$90

[kimletrim]

Dejon tool will work. Also don't look past a Joe P MBC which runs a little cheaper, $45.00. This is what I have on my car and it works wonders.

[CT9A RS]

yeah u should check out Myevostore.com for a dejon tool mbc its not listed on the site but they have it.

And a turbo back exhaust will really open up the car. I suggest getting a hiflow cat so u dont pop flames.

stock injectors are i believe 560cc. Some 720cc injectors will be a good replacement. and a walbro 255lph fuel pump at the same time. along with a piggyback fuel computer like the Apexi SAFC that was mentioned before.

As for the cams i think the 272 intake 272 exhaust setup goku mentioned might be a lil too extreme if u plan on staying with the stock turbo. Youll be a lil laggy on the bottom end with those cams. A staggered 264 intake 272 exhaust setup from HKS runs really nice though with a smooth powerband with the Dr. Grey tuning.

good luck and happy modding.

[EVOate909]

the MBC should fix that problem easily but if you want more high end power(considering you have the basic bolt ons) a set of 272 cams would eat any built b18c out there (not the race cars) :P

[leaveit2bevo]

the reason is the car runs uber rich high up and drops boost for safety

[Blak94GSX]

-The Dejon Tool MBC would be your first mod $50 at www.roadraceengineering.com Set it to 20PSI max

-catback exhaust system is next www.roadraceengineering.com has a few options depending on how loud you want it and how much you have to spend

-Walbro pump $90 www.roadraceengineering.com can install it for you too

-leave the intake stock, leave the bov stock, hell leave it all stock :p

[GOOSE_Ej]

-The Dejon Tool MBC would be your first mod $50 at www.roadraceengineering.com Set it to 20PSI max

-catback exhaust system is next www.roadraceengineering.com has a few options depending on how loud you want it and how much you have to spend

-Walbro pump $90 www.roadraceengineering.com can install it for you too

-leave the intake stock, leave the bov stock, hell leave it all stock :p

thanks dude... 8)

[05-EVO-GSR]

-Walbro pump $90 www.roadraceengineering.com can install it for you too


The website says $135.00 That is what they charged me.

[Blak94GSX]

Ah, $135 then... my bad

[gt40]

Blak94GSX wrote:

-The Dejon Tool MBC would be your first mod $50 at www.roadraceengineering.com Set it to 20PSI max

-catback exhaust system is next www.roadraceengineering.com has a few options depending on how loud you want it and how much you have to spend

-Walbro pump $90 www.roadraceengineering.com can install it for you too -leave the intake stock, leave the bov stock, hell leave it all stock :p

05-EVO-GSR wrote:

The website says $135.00 That is what they charged meBlak94GSX wrote:

Ah, $135 then... my bad

Blak's been buying walbro's for so long he forgot to take into account inflation :P

[GOOSE_Ej]

r any of these MBC good??? just wondering

http://search.ebay.com/manual-boost-controller_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQfromZR10QQsa catZ-1QQcatrefZC6QQsargnZ-1QQsaslcZ2QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsadisZ200QQfposZQ5AIPQ 2FPostalQQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1

[GokuSSJ4]

r any of these MBC good??? just wondering

http://search.ebay.com/manual-boost-controller_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQfromZR10QQsa catZ-1QQcatrefZC6QQsargnZ-1QQsaslcZ2QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsadisZ200QQfposZQ5AIPQ 2FPostalQQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1
can't go wrong with the Dejon MBC, there several peeps that have it and love it! Nice and simple to use and it works the way it should.

[GOOSE_Ej]

r any of these MBC good??? just wondering

http://search.ebay.com/manual-boost-controller_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQfromZR10QQsa catZ-1QQcatrefZC6QQsargnZ-1QQsaslcZ2QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsadisZ200QQfposZQ5AIPQ 2FPostalQQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1
can't go wrong with the Dejon MBC, there several peeps that have it and love it! Nice and simple to use and it works the way it should.

ok coo ima go check the out today or this weekend..

[Skiracer]

Look at my boost readings below. Nice @ flat @ 20PSI with the Dejon Tool MBC :D
http://www.socalevo.net/gallery/albums/album264/21psi.sized.jpg

[GOOSE_Ej]

y does it fall at the end there?? u let the gas go? so uget 20 psi all the way to redline?

[Skiracer]

It spiked to 21PSI, then holds to 20PSI to redline. Ya i let the gas go cuz i was approaching 7000 RPM.

[GOOSE_Ej]

It spiked to 21PSI, then holds to 20PSI to redline. Ya i let the gas go cuz i was approaching 7000 RPM.

coo ima see if i can pick one up.. did u install it ??

[Skiracer]

RRE installed it for me.

[GOOSE_Ej]

oh they did it too?? coo did it take them a long time how much they charge u for everything???

[TylerO@WORKS]

www.worksevo.com

Check out our P2 flash and the products to go with it.

SAFC don't really have control over timing. 90% of a tune (and power) is in the timing.

Injectors and fuel pumps are not needed until much higher power levels (think 400+ crank). The stock fuel pump is switched with two different modes, basically high and low. SAFCs and other piggy backs falsify the signals to the ECU which results in a failure to switch the fuel pump to full duty. Fuel pumps and larger injectors are a "band-aid" solution at these power levels.

[CT9A RS]

yeah but if the stock injectors are running at like 90-95% duty right. So in fact you would really only beable to lean it out on the stock injectors right. Although im sure there is power and fuel economy to be had that way.

My thinking a 660 or 720cc injector would just create a nice buffer zone. And give him the option of running richer depending on how much boost he wants to go with.

And still i say the 272s are too laggy on the bottom end with a stock turbo. Say real pull starts at 4k. staggered i think is the way to go on stock turbo smooth power band all the way through to the top.

or the Works 269 cams are intriguing.

[gofaster87]

r any of these MBC good??? just wondering

http://search.ebay.com/manual-boost-controller_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQfromZR10QQsa catZ-1QQcatrefZC6QQsargnZ-1QQsaslcZ2QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsadisZ200QQfposZQ5AIPQ 2FPostalQQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1
can't go wrong with the Dejon MBC, there several peeps that have it and love it! Nice and simple to use and it works the way it should.

The dejon is great just dont keep bending it like Tomas does.

[GokuSSJ4]

r any of these MBC good??? just wondering

http://search.ebay.com/manual-boost-controller_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQfromZR10QQsa catZ-1QQcatrefZC6QQsargnZ-1QQsaslcZ2QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsadisZ200QQfposZQ5AIPQ 2FPostalQQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1
can't go wrong with the Dejon MBC, there several peeps that have it and love it! Nice and simple to use and it works the way it should.

The dejon is great just dont keep bending it like Tomas does.
you mean everysingle time you use to mess with it :P

[GOOSE_Ej]

ok guys i pick up the MBC Dejon.. now does someone want to install it for me ill buy u food. :wink: