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artinist
11-07-2005, 05:13 PM
i am sure you have all been hearing all the flat lies that the public works unions have been paying millions of dollars for in commercials.

obviously they don't want to loose the millions of dollars in pensions that governor Idiot Gray Davis took out of our wallet and handed to these people in exhange for their support.

lets help Arnold do what we put him in office for.

last year the education budget was 50 million. this year its 52 million. and the school teaches want 55 million but their unions boldly announce their* lies every 5 minutes on radio and want us to believe 52 is less than 50.

if you think 52 million is less than 50 million, then you must be a bmw driver who thinks you are the most important person on this plant and you should have your own lane in the freway.

but if you give a damn about the future of this state and the school system vote like below. these are what are supported by Gov. arnold and Senator Mcclintock. two of the few politicians who havent sold their underwear to special interests.

research the issues before believing the ads. and yes, arnold is not perfect, but by far is he the best this state is going to have.


Proposition 73: Parental Notification for Abortion. If parental consent is required for a child to use a tanning booth or get her ears pierced, shouldn’t parents at least be notified if she’s getting an abortion?
---YES---
Whether you’re pro-life or pro-choice, this should be the all-time no-brainer.
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Proposition 74: Teacher Tenure. Do parents have a right to expect a higher level of competence before a teacher is granted life-time tenure?
---YES---
This modest measure simply increases the teacher probation period from two years to five years.
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Proposition 75: Public Employee Union Dues. Should public employees decide for themselves which candidates they will support with their own money?
---YES---
This measure requires that before a public employee union can take money from that employee for political donations, it has to get the employee’s permission.
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Proposition 76: State Spending. Should government live within its means?
---YES---
This measure restores the authority that the governor of California had between 1939 and 1983 to make mid-year spending cuts whenever spending outpaces revenue without having to return to the legislature.Proposition
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Proposition 77: Re-districting. Should voters choose their representatives in legislative districts that are drawn without regard to partisan advantage?
---YES---
The most obvious conflict of interest in government is when politicians choose which voters will get to vote for them by drawing their own legislative district lines. This measure puts a stop to it.
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Propositions 78 AND 79: Prescription drug discounts. Do you want the same people who run the DMV to run your pharmacy?
---NO---
These are rival measures, one supported by drug companies and the other by liberal activists – both of which purport to lower drug prices. What they really do is assure that one group of patients gets to pay higher prices to provide subsidized prices for others. There’s no such thing as a free Levitra.
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Proposition 80. Electricity Regulation. Do you want the same people who run the DMV to run your electricity company?
---NO---
This measure locks in monopoly control of your electricity by the bureaucratized utilities and forbids you from ever being able to shop around for the lowest-priced electricity available

Blak94GSX
11-07-2005, 05:57 PM
Wow, the first coherent post ever in this section!

j_nizzle
11-07-2005, 05:59 PM
wow i agree wholeheartedly with the post! O0

SpdyEvo02
11-07-2005, 06:57 PM
+1 to all of that....since i will be working the polls in my area i will hear alot of this

genrec
11-07-2005, 07:13 PM
I dissagree with you

Prop 74 -- NO

Prop 75 -- NO

Prop 76 -- NO

Prop 77 -- NO

By voting yes you are merely taking what little power the average joe, middle class, lower class worker has to their name. You are handing corporate america more money and power , giving them even a bigger advantage than they already have. Think about the little people that actually work for a living. The people that actually make this state work. *Arnold is a Bush suckass and will do what he can for the corporate monsters of California. None of theses measures will pull california out of any debt what so ever. If you look at the big picture here, these measures are all classic case of the rich getting rich and the poor staying poor.

Support the little people that actually work for a living. Vote NO on Prop 74, 75, 76, 77

Blak94GSX
11-07-2005, 07:16 PM
Considering the unions are far bigger than "big corporations" you should be on our side, supporting the individual worker and against the unions.

genrec
11-07-2005, 07:29 PM
Considering the unions are far bigger than "big corporations"


They kinda have to be..if they didn't exist their pay would be worse than it is..benefits would be zip......these hardworking people then would have what....how would they be treated of illness or injury?? I suppose it would be ok with you if the good people of our state were treated like slave laborers or work in environments such as malaysia, vietnam, india, and all these other countries that the MAN likes to outsource work to , to keep his pockets fat? Where the people have horrible working conditions and are treated like animals.

Justin1933
11-07-2005, 07:43 PM
Unions are the biggest joke in today's society. They have no place anymore...Was there a time that they were needed? Yes, but that time has long gone. Why are all the manufacturing jobs moving to ASIA? One of the biggest reasons is labor unions. Have you ever been to a trade show and dealt with the Union BS? These guys are some of the most overpaid, useless employees I have ever seen...

Genrec, have you ever been to these factories and seen what these factories are like? Do you know what their lives would be like without these factories? I have been to these factories and I have seen what life is like when you don't work in a factory. It is awful...The problem with most liberals is they are the first to complain about jobs moving overseas and the poor workers...Most have never spent one day overseas and have no idead what life is really like outside their plush US lives.....

Eckolaker
11-07-2005, 09:16 PM
Prop 73 also a NO

Why should a minor have to tell their parent they are going to have an abortion? BE AWARE, that 73 does not require the minor to first gain parental permission, only that they tell them whats going on.

If that parent doesnt already know their child is having an abortion, the parent has already lost the battle.
All the information in the world is not going to make up for that parents lack of responsibility.
Think of all the kids who already dont feel they cant goto their parents when something like that happens to them, probably in most cases will not make the problem better.

Im not going to spend my tax dollars to give bad parents, bad news...

NO ON 73

genrec
11-07-2005, 10:02 PM
Unions are the biggest joke in today's society.* They have no place anymore...Was there a time that they were needed?* Yes, but that time has long gone.* Why are all the manufacturing jobs moving to ASIA?* One of the biggest reasons is labor unions.* Have you ever been to a trade show and dealt with the Union BS?* These guys are some of the most overpaid, useless employees I have ever seen...

Genrec, have you ever been to these factories and seen what these factories are like?* Do you know what their lives would be like without these factories?* *I have been to these factories and I have seen what life is like when you don't work in a factory.* It is awful...The problem with most liberals is they are the first to complain about jobs moving overseas and the poor workers...Most have never spent one day overseas and have no idead what life is really like outside their plush US lives.....



You would think this being in managment and the entrepreneur you are. I don't blame you. Since you have to worry about your own taxes, your own healthcare, your own retirement, etc...Perhaps there are people out there not as focused as you and need the help or people to set these life goals up for them? Nothing worg with that.

Have i ever been to a tradshow? YES, i work in the tradeshow industry? The biggest powerhouse in the industry.
Do i agree there are some overpaid worthless pieces of shit on showsite? YES, but everyone that works on showsite is a useless piece of scum? NO. I know dozens upon dozens of good union family guys that bust there ass allday for their families, just like YOU. More than you think are very educated with degrees, all speak English very well, are law following citizens. I happen to hold a Convention Planning job for the company i work for which is very respectable and allows me to show them i can deal with a great deal of responsibility. Number one, keeping our associations and clients happy. I do this from the inside of our base of operations, and i do not work on showsite. Guess what, i'm classified as union member myself, only a different pay scale. I cannot speak for all unions, except mine. And i can say prop 75 is bullshit. They do not take any money from me for political contributions unless i have checked it off for them to do so. If ones wishes it can be for any amount they desire. Nobody is forced, i for one in 10 years have never given a penny.

No, i have never been overseas, actually never been on a plane in my life. I can only speak of the conditions i've seen on TV specials and magazine/newspaper articles. I'm sure maybe the factories overseas you have dealt with might be Club Med. Are you going to tell me that every factory all over the world or these third world countries is a tropical paradise? Have you been to them all? Probably not.

Me Liberal, NO, i walk the fence depending on life situations which work best for me. Don't you? Don't you think the way you do and make decisions beased on whats best for you and your family?

Lastly, unions and corporate america are good for eachother, its kinda like a balance..good vs. evil..without them it would be all one sided, driving the social economic gap deeper and wider than it already is.

gofaster87
11-07-2005, 10:12 PM
Has anyone here that is talking about Unions worked with a large Union. I worked the movie studios and Ill tell you one thing without a union people would be fucked. Starting pay was 25/hr then went to 1.5 times then 3 times the pay on a long shift. Making 75/hr as a stage builder is nice. When your show or movie is over and your laid off the union finds you another gig. Lets say many of these union members made 6 figures and always had a job. Not all unions are created equal but I have friends and family that work in the entertainment field and they do very well.

genrec
11-08-2005, 08:15 AM
Has anyone hear that is talking about Unions worked with a large Union. I worked the movie studios and Ill tell you one thing without a union people would be fucked. Starting pay was 25/hr then went to 1.5 times then 3 times the pay on a long shift. Making 75/hr as a stage builder is nice. When your show or movie is over and your laid off the union finds you another gig. Lets say many of these union members made 6 figures and always had a job. Not all unions are created equal but I have friends and family that work in the entertainment field and they do very well.


I have friends in this union as well...i think everybody is overlooking the real people and the unions that dont want these props to pass....the law enforcement, fire fighters, nurses, etc...these are all people that really put their lives on the line everyday for you and me, and are in unionized poistions to help protect them from the dangers in their job that can arise.

Like i said unions are made of the little people that make this state work and operate and always have, not the corporate monster that feeds of these people doing the real work.

Some of you union haters i can see where they are coming from, my company is mixed union and management. I have numerous conversations with the non-union personel and every single one of the at one time or another, or does envy the union. We get overtime for working the long hours, they get paid the same no matter how many hours they work. We have one of the best healthcare plans in the country, we pay for it, BUT so do they , only they pay alot more for worse coverage. We have pensions, something that will be their for us when we retire, they have to dump their own money in to 401's and hope the company does the same based upon what they put in.

Anyways, if you have not voted yet and intend to today VOTE NO on 73, 74, 75, 76, 77....keep the governator out of the peoples affairs.

GokuSSJ4
11-08-2005, 09:45 AM
Proposition 73: Parental Notification for Abortion. If parental consent is required for a child to use a tanning booth or get her ears pierced, shouldn’t parents at least be notified if she’s getting an abortion?
---YES---
Whether you’re pro-life or pro-choice, this should be the all-time no-brainer.
minors do need the right to be monitor, especially with a life on there hands...
If they can get depress regarding a break up or some childesh.... i can only imagine what this would allow if they didn't need the there parental figure to be notify..* Parents need to be involve with there kids no matter what..


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Proposition 74: Teacher Tenure. Do parents have a right to expect a higher level of competence before a teacher is granted life-time tenure?
---YES---
This modest measure simply increases the teacher probation period from two years to five years.

why do teachers need to prolonge the amount of period that they have to wait for ? they already need to pass a such amount of tests, credentials and a 2yr waiting period besides them obtaining there Bachelor.. it would be unfair to those that have study their ass off, just because some parents don't know how to educate there kids..
Teaching is not just up to the teacher but getting the parents, or guardian involve as well...

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Proposition 75: Public Employee Union Dues. Should public employees decide for themselves which candidates they will support with their own money?
---YES---
This measure requires that before a public employee union can take money from that employee for political donations, it has to get the employee’s permission.
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don't you have this option available already ? why the need the bring this in a valet.. what are the cons and pros behind this proposition...



Proposition 76: State Spending. Should government live within its means?
---YES---
This measure restores the authority that the governor of California had between 1939 and 1983 to make mid-year spending cuts whenever spending outpaces revenue without having to return to the legislature.Proposition
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The right to reduce the budget, this means that Arnold S. would have a bit more power then what he already has ??
He has done alot of damage by laying off peeps and cutting back budgets from Unified Districts as well as DMV employees .. I can only imagine with abit more authority, what Arnold would be capable :ticketoff:

Thero
11-08-2005, 12:08 PM
Just Did my Civic Duty and Voted O0

Terry S
11-08-2005, 12:44 PM
I dissagree with you

Prop 74 -- NO

Prop 75 -- NO

Prop 76 -- NO

Prop 77 -- NO

By voting yes you are merely taking what little power the average joe, middle class, lower class worker has to their name. You are handing corporate america more money and power , giving them even a bigger advantage than they already have. Think about the little people that actually work for a living. The people that actually make this state work. *Arnold is a Bush suckass and will do what he can for the corporate monsters of California. None of theses measures will pull california out of any debt what so ever. If you look at the big picture here, these measures are all classic case of the rich getting rich and the poor staying poor.

Support the little people that actually work for a living. Vote NO on Prop 74, 75, 76, 77


Genrec = Lost :2funny: ;)

Terry S (Would vote yes to 74-77 if he voted)

rammsteinmatt
11-08-2005, 12:53 PM
gotta get my shoes on and take the evo for a drive.......i mean go vote.


as for the union thing, they were created to protect factory workers in the 1800's where working conditions were hazardous and deadly. they were created to protect worker's working conditions. today, there are people that sit in an office makeing 6 figures and doing nearly nothing.

i worked as a teamster at costco, made 10/hr for in essence unskilled labor, which is better than min. wage. but the starting wage at costco has been 10/hr for at least 6 years. what have they done in the last 6 years? they fought for better benefits, which is good if you even qualify for those benefits :roll:

oh well, in 2 years i will have a very highly skilled job and unions will become even more obsolete in my mind.

unions are battling capitalism, america is based on capitalism, you infer what the unions do for america

genrec
11-08-2005, 12:59 PM
I dissagree with you

Prop 74 -- NO

Prop 75 -- NO

Prop 76 -- NO

Prop 77 -- NO

By voting yes you are merely taking what little power the average joe, middle class, lower class worker has to their name. You are handing corporate america more money and power , giving them even a bigger advantage than they already have. Think about the little people that actually work for a living. The people that actually make this state work. *Arnold is a Bush suckass and will do what he can for the corporate monsters of California. None of theses measures will pull california out of any debt what so ever. If you look at the big picture here, these measures are all classic case of the rich getting rich and the poor staying poor.

Support the little people that actually work for a living. Vote NO on Prop 74, 75, 76, 77


Genrec = Lost* :2funny:* ;)

Terry S (Would vote yes to 74-77 if he voted)



we will see who loses tonight.... O0

and if they pass, it will do nothing to bring california out of any whole that its in....it only a power grab by the man.

Terry S
11-08-2005, 01:44 PM
we will see who loses tonight.... O0

and if they pass, it will do nothing to bring california out of any whole that its in....it only a power grab by the man.


I just don't get why opponents of 74-77 state "its a power grab by the man". I've heard is several times but it just confuses the heck out of me. If you want to say these are about a power grab, you can only say that these are about pulling power away from "the man" (read: unions) and giving it back to the people. Also, I see the Unions trumping up these as issues about the budget but these props have *absolutely nothing* to do with that so why even mention that line of thinking?

Terry S (god I hate unions... :knuppel2:)

rammsteinmatt
11-08-2005, 02:53 PM
Also, I see the Unions trumping up these as issues about the budget but these props have *absolutely nothing* to do with that so why even mention that line of thinking?


because most people are dumb, they hear "budget" and know that cali is not doing so well financially so they automatically assume that this is a ploy for arnold to take more money or some BS like that.

but the worst part is all these sheep teachers that line up one after another just buying the hype that the teacher unions put down. do we seriously want these people to teach our children if they can think for themselves about [political] issues

for the record the teacher's union that controls the schools by me (i dunno how widespread this union is) but they FORCE you to register democrat to escape reprimand. well if thats not freedom, i dont know what is

genrec
11-08-2005, 03:12 PM
Hay guys it is clearly as simple as this, heard the term:

"People that vote their Wallets"

It does not matter which side of the fence you are on, be it right or wrong. You simply are voting whats best
for your wallet.

I gotta do what's good for me, and you gotta do what's good for you. And if you clearly hate the unions and are that upset with them, that's only because in some direct or indirect way its's affecting your wallet!

Terry S
11-08-2005, 04:03 PM
Hay guys it is clearly as simple as this, heard the term:

"People that vote their Wallets"

It does not matter which side of the fence you are on, be it right or wrong. You simply are voting whats best
for your wallet.*

I gotta do what's good for me, and you gotta do what's good for you. And if you clearly hate the unions and are that upset with them, that's only because in some direct or indirect way its's affecting your wallet!


Slight modification to that:

"People vote for those who use their wallets"

Most people vote for whoever digged deeper into their wallets to "edumakate" the public on their point of view.

These props have very little if anything at all to do with people's wallets. Noone in my *entire* industry is affected monitarily by the likes of prop 75 (for instance). Also, I hate the unions because of what its doing to other peoples wallets (and did to mine years ago).

Terry S

genrec
11-09-2005, 11:25 AM
:coolsmiley: ;)

Terry S
11-09-2005, 11:42 AM
:coolsmiley: ;)


:buck2: Damn unions... :idiot2:

Terry S

Terry S
11-09-2005, 11:44 AM
Hey, at least 78-79 got shot down..

OC voters unfortunatly cant carry the state, but if they could, it would have been a win for everyone. oh well :D

Terry S

genrec
11-09-2005, 11:54 AM
:coolsmiley: ;)


:buck2: Damn unions... :idiot2:

Terry S



You're in the wrong state. I think you would fit in well in Mississippi.. O0 They still carry the confederate flag and burn crosses.. :2funny:

Terry S
11-09-2005, 12:06 PM
:coolsmiley: ;)


:buck2: Damn unions... :idiot2:

Terry S



You're in the wrong state. I think you would fit in well in Mississippi.. O0* *They still carry the confederate flag and burn crosses.. :2funny:


Nah, i'm in the right county in the wrong state.

Oh and the confederate flag and burning crosses has nothing to do with unions or california politics :D

At least i'm in the right county for individuals freedoms and economic prosperity even if the rest of the state isn't. :2funny:

Terry S

genrec
11-09-2005, 12:18 PM
I'm just plain' wit cha!! I'm sure we are not that different.....we will talk some time.. O0

Terry S
11-09-2005, 12:52 PM
Well if the pics in your sig are any indication of your personal views then I doubt were all that similar :2funny:

Always nice to have a light hearted laugh at politics with someone though O0 I'm sure we'll meet at some meet and then fight it out West Side Story style or something

Terry S

rammsteinmatt
11-09-2005, 01:04 PM
I'm just plain' wit cha!! I'm sure we are not that different.....we will talk some time.. O0


you are both signed up for the PCH cruise O0




but in recap of the vote. the spending cap prop (whichever number it was) didnt pass. this intrigues me, however. the spending cap simply said for the state governement to spend as much or less money than it has, not spend more money it has. this didnt pass? so the people of california are demanding that arnold fix the financial deficit in CA but vote to allow the state to spend more money than it has? im confused, why are these people allowed to vote again. this doesnt have to do with being republican, democrat, conservative, liberal, neutral. this is basic principle, dont spend more monet than you have; damn i wish i could go to gruppe-s and spend 10k on parts, and say that i'll pay them later

what this election has led me to believe........people want arnold to fix the problems, he asks for the power to do that, they deny power to him, they complain he is doing nothing.

Terry S
11-09-2005, 01:12 PM
I'm just plain' wit cha!! I'm sure we are not that different.....we will talk some time.. O0


you are both signed up for the PCH cruise* O0




but in recap of the vote.* the spending cap prop (whichever number it was) didnt pass.* this intrigues me, however.* the spending cap simply said for the state governement to spend as much or less money than it has, not spend more money it has.* this didnt pass?* so the people of california are demanding that arnold fix the financial deficit in CA but vote to allow the state to spend more money than it has?* im confused, why are these people allowed to vote again.* this doesnt have to do with being republican, democrat, conservative, liberal, neutral.* this is basic principle, dont spend more monet than you have; damn i wish i could go to gruppe-s and spend 10k on parts, and say that i'll pay them later

what this election has led me to believe........people want arnold to fix the problems, he asks for the power to do that, they deny power to him, they complain he is doing nothing.


Well, the opponents of the prop stated that it was a "power grab" by the governor and ran a ton of ad's saying that the budget should be in the hands of the legislature and not the governor (basically leaving the budget to the people who screwed it up to begin with instead of forcing them to fix their mistakes and giving a nominal amount of responsibility to the guy everyone voted for to fix this problem (exactly what you said)). The nazi/communist brainwashing worked and Cali overwhelmingly rejected the prop.

Here's a link to the results from the state:

http://vote2005.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/00.htm

You can click on the maps to see what county voted what. It appears that San Francisco was the most decisive in their voting on every prop out of every county in the state (big surprise).

Terry S

drwn kix
11-09-2005, 02:01 PM
So let me get this straight.* *:idiot2: You want Arnie (Ego Balloon Head, to me) to control the budget with limited oversight.* Then he can do what the federal governement does.* Invest in bridges to nowhere and drill in the arctic wilderness while balancing that with massive tax cuts to the wealthy and cuts to all social service programs.* (It is only fair that he perform his quid-pro-quo for his multimilliion dollar purchasers from out of state.)*
Why don't you just enlist and take off for Iraq, that other brilliant cost saving idea hacked together by the Republicans?* O0
The more intelligent and educated you are the less likely you will vote for the lieing, stupid ex-alcoholic and his buddies.* Torture is not the answer.* Evolution is not just a car, it is a science. :oops:

Blak94GSX
11-09-2005, 08:45 PM
It would be cheaper to just round up all the liberals and shoot them... 6 cents per bullet is pretty economical...

Elect me governor next!

EvoPwr
11-09-2005, 08:58 PM
I dissagree with you

Prop 74 -- NO

Prop 75 -- NO

Prop 76 -- NO

Prop 77 -- NO

By voting yes you are merely taking what little power the average joe, middle class, lower class worker has to their name. You are handing corporate america more money and power , giving them even a bigger advantage than they already have. Think about the little people that actually work for a living. The people that actually make this state work. Arnold is a Bush suckass and will do what he can for the corporate monsters of California. None of theses measures will pull california out of any debt what so ever. If you look at the big picture here, these measures are all classic case of the rich getting rich and the poor staying poor.

Support the little people that actually work for a living. Vote NO on Prop 74, 75, 76, 77


the union sucks..its not 1920 anymore

genrec
11-09-2005, 08:59 PM
I dissagree with you

Prop 74 -- NO

Prop 75 -- NO

Prop 76 -- NO

Prop 77 -- NO

By voting yes you are merely taking what little power the average joe, middle class, lower class worker has to their name. You are handing corporate america more money and power , giving them even a bigger advantage than they already have. Think about the little people that actually work for a living. The people that actually make this state work.* Arnold is a Bush suckass and will do what he can for the corporate monsters of California. None of theses measures will pull california out of any debt what so ever. If you look at the big picture here, these measures are all classic case of the rich getting rich and the poor staying poor.

Support the little people that actually work for a living. Vote NO on Prop 74, 75, 76, 77


the union sucks..its not 1920 anymore


mikey arent you union... :idiot2:

genrec
11-09-2005, 09:01 PM
It would be cheaper to just round up all the liberals and shoot them...* 6 cents per bullet is pretty economical...

Elect me governor next!


I definately dont considerer myself a liberal.......in fact i hate everybody equally........but man, you need a confederate flag on your evo!!


and in no way let this stop us from a business realtionship when i need tuning.... :2funny: :2funny:

nefblkevo
11-09-2005, 09:13 PM
Ya know I have learned the hard way not to go to these threads. there are people on threads like this that have given me good info on my car, only to find out later, on a thread like this, that they are ...holes :idiot2: But I tell you what, if we pulled into the same place and at least one of us was driving an Evo (or any cool car)...we'll be fast buds. :coolsmiley: Live and let live brotha, don't impose yours on me and I willn't impose mine on you. :angel:

EvoPwr
11-09-2005, 09:25 PM
I dissagree with you

Prop 74 -- NO

Prop 75 -- NO

Prop 76 -- NO

Prop 77 -- NO

By voting yes you are merely taking what little power the average joe, middle class, lower class worker has to their name. You are handing corporate america more money and power , giving them even a bigger advantage than they already have. Think about the little people that actually work for a living. The people that actually make this state work. Arnold is a Bush suckass and will do what he can for the corporate monsters of California. None of theses measures will pull california out of any debt what so ever. If you look at the big picture here, these measures are all classic case of the rich getting rich and the poor staying poor.

Support the little people that actually work for a living. Vote NO on Prop 74, 75, 76, 77


the union sucks..its not 1920 anymore


mikey arent you union... :idiot2:


Hell no, they completely fucked my dad over.

genrec
11-09-2005, 09:43 PM
I dissagree with you

Prop 74 -- NO

Prop 75 -- NO

Prop 76 -- NO

Prop 77 -- NO

By voting yes you are merely taking what little power the average joe, middle class, lower class worker has to their name. You are handing corporate america more money and power , giving them even a bigger advantage than they already have. Think about the little people that actually work for a living. The people that actually make this state work.* Arnold is a Bush suckass and will do what he can for the corporate monsters of California. None of theses measures will pull california out of any debt what so ever. If you look at the big picture here, these measures are all classic case of the rich getting rich and the poor staying poor.

Support the little people that actually work for a living. Vote NO on Prop 74, 75, 76, 77


the union sucks..its not 1920 anymore


mikey arent you union... :idiot2:


Hell no, they completely fucked my dad over.


HMMM...i remember a conversation we had a while back.........but i will leave it at that.

Blak94GSX
11-09-2005, 10:44 PM
Nobody should be taking forums seriously anyway...

GokuSSJ4
11-09-2005, 11:41 PM
Scot for governor, everyone gets a free EMS :laugh:

Terry S
11-10-2005, 08:13 AM
So let me get this straight.* *:idiot2: You want Arnie (Ego Balloon Head, to me) to control the budget with limited oversight.* Then he can do what the federal governement does.* Invest in bridges to nowhere and drill in the arctic wilderness while balancing that with massive tax cuts to the wealthy and cuts to all social service programs.* (It is only fair that he perform his quid-pro-quo for his multimilliion dollar purchasers from out of state.)*
Why don't you just enlist and take off for Iraq, that other brilliant cost saving idea hacked together by the Republicans?* O0
The more intelligent and educated you are the less likely you will vote for the lieing, stupid ex-alcoholic and his buddies.* Torture is not the answer.* Evolution is not just a car, it is a science. :oops:


1. He will only step in if the legislature cant get their heads out of their ass. It's not like the prop gives totalitarian rule to the governor (which seems to be the most common senario given).

2. Yea bridges to nowhere (just like the golden gate bridge), giving tax cuts to the wealthy (new tax reform SCREWS OVER all us WEALTHY UPPER CLASS who has a house above 400k, which is all of OC now! yay!), and cutting social service programs (which is fine by me! screw the free-loaders) is not exactly the realm of the governor. Thats what the legislature does since ONLY THEY can do that!

3. I have enlisted. I've been in the Marine Corps Reserves for 3 years. I might goto Iraq. What does that have to do with anything in this conversation? Your talking about a war and i'm talking about balacing a check book. A bit of a stretch there huh?

4. It seems the younger, more rash, and less life-experienced (intelligent) always vote with their unfounded pent-up anger and shoot down something they want to complain about. Why dont you quit bitching and offer up someone who will be better than Mr. Governator (in case you aren't intelligent enough to notice, but ALL governors will get slammed by someone and end up looking stupid. It's what happens to those who take posts like this!).

5. Torture is an answer (duh!). And its the right answer against someone who would rather beat you up with the butt of an AK-47 before videotaping your neck being sliced open (www.ongrish.com).

6. Evolution IS science and a car. Intelligent design is a worthless steaming pile of hypothetical nonsense. (see we aren't so different!)

Look, just because I support democracy and freedom and you dont, doesn't mean i'm some giant 3 headed serpent comming to plunge my sword of free-marketism into your hippy heart. We're all just americans that get bored and want to do stuff.* O0

Terry S

Terry S
11-10-2005, 08:14 AM
Nobody should be taking forums seriously anyway...


Exactly! :D

Terry S

genrec
11-10-2005, 08:43 AM
So let me get this straight.* *:idiot2: You want Arnie (Ego Balloon Head, to me) to control the budget with limited oversight.* Then he can do what the federal governement does.* Invest in bridges to nowhere and drill in the arctic wilderness while balancing that with massive tax cuts to the wealthy and cuts to all social service programs.* (It is only fair that he perform his quid-pro-quo for his multimilliion dollar purchasers from out of state.)*
Why don't you just enlist and take off for Iraq, that other brilliant cost saving idea hacked together by the Republicans?* O0
The more intelligent and educated you are the less likely you will vote for the lieing, stupid ex-alcoholic and his buddies.* Torture is not the answer.* Evolution is not just a car, it is a science. :oops:


1. He will only step in if the legislature cant get their heads out of their ass. It's not like the prop gives totalitarian rule to the governor (which seems to be the most common senario given).

2. Yea bridges to nowhere (just like the golden gate bridge), giving tax cuts to the wealthy (new tax reform SCREWS OVER all us WEALTHY UPPER CLASS who has a house above 400k, which is all of OC now! yay!), and cutting social service programs (which is fine by me! screw the free-loaders) is not exactly the realm of the governor. Thats what the legislature does since ONLY THEY can do that!

3. I have enlisted. I've been in the Marine Corps Reserves for 3 years. I might goto Iraq. What does that have to do with anything in this conversation? Your talking about a war and i'm talking about balacing a check book. A bit of a stretch there huh?

4. It seems the younger, more rash, and less life-experienced (intelligent) always vote with their unfounded pent-up anger and shoot down something they want to complain about. Why dont you quit bitching and offer up someone who will be better than Mr. Governator (in case you aren't intelligent enough to notice, but ALL governors will get slammed by someone and end up looking stupid. It's what happens to those who take posts like this!).

5. Torture is an answer (duh!). And its the right answer against someone who would rather beat you up with the butt of an AK-47 before videotaping your neck being sliced open (www.ongrish.com).

6. Evolution IS science and a car. Intelligent design is a worthless steaming pile of hypothetical nonsense. (see we aren't so different!)

Look, just because I support democracy and freedom and you dont, doesn't mean i'm some giant 3 headed serpent comming to plunge my sword of free-marketism into your hippy heart. We're all just americans that get bored and want to do stuff.* O0

Terry S





wohhh killer..i see you are going to fit in around here very nicely.... O0

Terry S
11-10-2005, 09:07 AM
wohhh killer..i see you are going to fit in around here very nicely.... O0


O0 Yea, sorry about that. I can get whipped into a frenzy quick sometimes :D

btw, did you do any time in the service Genrec?

Terry S

drwn kix
11-10-2005, 04:45 PM
So let me get this straight.* *:idiot2: You want Arnie (Ego Balloon Head, to me) to control the budget with limited oversight.* Then he can do what the federal governement does.* Invest in bridges to nowhere and drill in the arctic wilderness while balancing that with massive tax cuts to the wealthy and cuts to all social service programs.* (It is only fair that he perform his quid-pro-quo for his multimilliion dollar purchasers from out of state.)*
Why don't you just enlist and take off for Iraq, that other brilliant cost saving idea hacked together by the Republicans?* O0
The more intelligent and educated you are the less likely you will vote for the lieing, stupid ex-alcoholic and his buddies.* Torture is not the answer.* Evolution is not just a car, it is a science. :oops:


1. He will only step in if the legislature cant get their heads out of their ass. It's not like the prop gives totalitarian rule to the governor (which seems to be the most common senario given).

2. Yea bridges to nowhere (just like the golden gate bridge), giving tax cuts to the wealthy (new tax reform SCREWS OVER all us WEALTHY UPPER CLASS who has a house above 400k, which is all of OC now! yay!), and cutting social service programs (which is fine by me! screw the free-loaders) is not exactly the realm of the governor. Thats what the legislature does since ONLY THEY can do that!

3. I have enlisted. I've been in the Marine Corps Reserves for 3 years. I might goto Iraq. What does that have to do with anything in this conversation? Your talking about a war and i'm talking about balacing a check book. A bit of a stretch there huh?

4. It seems the younger, more rash, and less life-experienced (intelligent) always vote with their unfounded pent-up anger and shoot down something they want to complain about. Why dont you quit bitching and offer up someone who will be better than Mr. Governator (in case you aren't intelligent enough to notice, but ALL governors will get slammed by someone and end up looking stupid. It's what happens to those who take posts like this!).

5. Torture is an answer (duh!). And its the right answer against someone who would rather beat you up with the butt of an AK-47 before videotaping your neck being sliced open (www.ongrish.com).

6. Evolution IS science and a car. Intelligent design is a worthless steaming pile of hypothetical nonsense. (see we aren't so different!)

Look, just because I support democracy and freedom and you dont, doesn't mean i'm some giant 3 headed serpent comming to plunge my sword of free-marketism into your hippy heart. We're all just americans that get bored and want to do stuff.* O0

Terry S


This is a pretty funny reply in so many ways.* :2funny: The Bush regime hates the United States of America as it is and was.* That is why he is sponsoring so much radical reform.* You are backwards.*
I am a fiscal conservative veteran whose son served in the first Iraq war.*
You are ass backwards on the intelligence thing.* Intelligent people vote against numnuts Bush and airhead Arnie almost every time.* I am probably older than your father.
Tell me again how Bridges to nowhere help our country? :idiot2:
Tom

Terry S
11-10-2005, 05:30 PM
This is a pretty funny reply in so many ways.* :2funny: The Bush regime hates the United States of America as it is and was.* That is why he is sponsoring so much radical reform.* You are backwards.*
I am a fiscal conservative veteran whose son served in the first Iraq war.*
You are ass backwards on the intelligence thing.* Intelligent people vote against numnuts Bush and airhead Arnie almost every time.* I am probably older than your father.
Tell me again how Bridges to nowhere help our country? :idiot2:
Tom


Replying in chronological order...

1. How is it funny is so many ways? You fail to mention what makes you laugh...

2. This is about a California Proposition. Nothing to do with Bush (who obviously doesn't hate America but you sure seem to). He is powerless here in California, always was. Arnold wants to reform California not Bush. It seems you are the one thinking backwards here :uglystupid2:

3. A Fiscal Conservative = Socialist Liberal. What does your son serving in the first gulf war have to do with anything in this? You aren't him. :uglystupid2:

4. Well, those who want to keep unions in power and let the legislature bilk our economy vote against Arnold. If you consider that "intelligence", then you might want to re-evaluate there... And again, Bush has nothing to do with this.

5. Ok so your old. You apparently shot down the young, more rash, less life-experienced bit I threw out. Congradulations. I guess I need to revise that to say: the old, more rash, and careless about the welfare of our society always vote with their head-in-ass.

6. Your bridges to nowhere are build by legislature. So tell me why we should trust them over the governor?

Terry S

Senshi
11-10-2005, 06:22 PM
Schwarzenegger for Dummies: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-wallechinsky/schwarzenegger-for-dummie_b_10413.html

genrec
11-10-2005, 06:34 PM
Nice Find......propaganda...but nice.

EvoPwr
11-10-2005, 07:41 PM
I dissagree with you

Prop 74 -- NO

Prop 75 -- NO

Prop 76 -- NO

Prop 77 -- NO

By voting yes you are merely taking what little power the average joe, middle class, lower class worker has to their name. You are handing corporate america more money and power , giving them even a bigger advantage than they already have. Think about the little people that actually work for a living. The people that actually make this state work.* Arnold is a Bush suckass and will do what he can for the corporate monsters of California. None of theses measures will pull california out of any debt what so ever. If you look at the big picture here, these measures are all classic case of the rich getting rich and the poor staying poor.

Support the little people that actually work for a living. Vote NO on Prop 74, 75, 76, 77


the union sucks..its not 1920 anymore


mikey arent you union... :idiot2:


Hell no, they completely fucked my dad over.


HMMM...i remember a conversation we had a while back.........but i will leave it at that.


yea, my dad works as a grocery manager at Albertson's. The union lied right to their faces about the contract that was offered by the grocery stores. Months on strike, increased dues, lessened wages while on strike, no healthcare while on strike, worse healthcare when strike over, worse wages when strike over...fuck the union!

genrec
11-10-2005, 10:41 PM
I dissagree with you

Prop 74 -- NO

Prop 75 -- NO

Prop 76 -- NO

Prop 77 -- NO

By voting yes you are merely taking what little power the average joe, middle class, lower class worker has to their name. You are handing corporate america more money and power , giving them even a bigger advantage than they already have. Think about the little people that actually work for a living. The people that actually make this state work.* Arnold is a Bush suckass and will do what he can for the corporate monsters of California. None of theses measures will pull california out of any debt what so ever. If you look at the big picture here, these measures are all classic case of the rich getting rich and the poor staying poor.

Support the little people that actually work for a living. Vote NO on Prop 74, 75, 76, 77


the union sucks..its not 1920 anymore


mikey arent you union... :idiot2:


Hell no, they completely fucked my dad over.


HMMM...i remember a conversation we had a while back.........but i will leave it at that.


yea, my dad works as a grocery manager at Albertson's. The union lied right to their faces about the contract that was offered by the grocery stores.* Months on strike, increased dues, lessened wages while on strike, no healthcare while on strike, worse healthcare when strike over, worse wages when strike over...fuck the union!


I thought you were in the electrical union or something like that.....??

Terry S...no i have never served..i also would never fight for a cause i didnt beleive in...but if need be i would fight to protect the soil you and i walk on....OUR land.. O0

Terry S
11-11-2005, 09:06 AM
O0 At least your willing to fight to defend the country. Thats more than some americans will do (hollywood...)

And you guys want some propaganda eh? Here's my favorite Propagandablog: www.ejectejecteject.com

Terry S

rsmatt
11-13-2005, 11:01 PM
first off i would like to thank all the guys who got out thier and supported our unions O0. as a member of the IBEW this election was veary important to me. second i would like to say that we are the majority, no mater what the hard right might try to pull over our eyes. we the hard working middle class union brothers will put laws like these down every time :knuppel2:. i could go on and on about this topic but i wont. i just want to say thanks, and my family also says thank you.

genrec
11-14-2005, 08:23 AM
first off i would like to thank all the guys who got out thier and supported our unions* O0. as a member of the IBEW this election was veary important to me. second i would like to say that we are the majority, no mater what the hard right might try to pull over our eyes. we the hard working middle class union brothers will put laws like these down every time* :knuppel2:. i could go on and on about this topic but i wont. i just want to say thanks, and my family also says thank you.


no problem bro.....i just think our brothers around here forget we have families, we have bills just like them, and we gotta do whats good for us, just like they gotta do whats good for them. There is plenty of money to go around, to bad they have to have the corporate greed mentality....... :grin: j/k fellas

cascosblueevo
11-14-2005, 07:26 PM
fuck the cops anthing against them im all for firefighters

EvoPwr
11-14-2005, 08:06 PM
I dissagree with you

Prop 74 -- NO

Prop 75 -- NO

Prop 76 -- NO

Prop 77 -- NO

By voting yes you are merely taking what little power the average joe, middle class, lower class worker has to their name. You are handing corporate america more money and power , giving them even a bigger advantage than they already have. Think about the little people that actually work for a living. The people that actually make this state work. Arnold is a Bush suckass and will do what he can for the corporate monsters of California. None of theses measures will pull california out of any debt what so ever. If you look at the big picture here, these measures are all classic case of the rich getting rich and the poor staying poor.

Support the little people that actually work for a living. Vote NO on Prop 74, 75, 76, 77


the union sucks..its not 1920 anymore


mikey arent you union... :idiot2:


Hell no, they completely fucked my dad over.


HMMM...i remember a conversation we had a while back.........but i will leave it at that.


yea, my dad works as a grocery manager at Albertson's. The union lied right to their faces about the contract that was offered by the grocery stores. Months on strike, increased dues, lessened wages while on strike, no healthcare while on strike, worse healthcare when strike over, worse wages when strike over...fuck the union!


I thought you were in the electrical union or something like that.....??



nope

EvoPwr
11-14-2005, 08:09 PM
Well I hate to tell you this, but the Union workers at my job are wayyy overpaid. You may be thinking so what, they work hard they deserve it....no they don't. They are on a Gov't job getting paid a ridiculous $45/hour for the apprentices. This is your tax dollars at work, the gov't wasting it on these union asshats that truely do not deserve it. You are right you need to support the hard workers...like janitors :roll:

Terry S
11-15-2005, 11:20 AM
Exactly. Union's are on the same level as pyramid scheme's to me :uglystupid2:

When you take away personal performance when determining a persons pay and benefits, you take away the individuals desire to work AND you destroy proper work ethic. Socialism sucks *shameless plug*

The other day I was talking to a lady who was all pissed off that sports stars, musicians, actors/actresess and business executives make so much more money than teachers, police officers, firefighters. So I pointed out to her that the small minority of those people who make all the money are in the private sector and they make the money because they do or have done something that warrants someone paying them that much money over their peers. The poor public workers (:2funny:) are so "underpaid" because they are government paid on set pay schedules so everyone gets the same amounts based on seniority. So I proceeded to test out some brain washing... er convincing on this lady saying that we should semi-privatize public schools so that each person sending children to school is required to pay tuition (just like community college) and book costs. Also, I said we should privatize all other public services as well so that individuals would be paid based on performance instead of just seniority. She was like "Oh thats a great idea! Why hasn't someone suggested that we do this before?" :2funny: To many people out there just lost in the sauce.

Terry S

rsmatt
11-17-2005, 06:39 PM
Exactly. Union's are on the same level as pyramid scheme's to me* :uglystupid2:

When you take away personal performance when determining a persons pay and benefits, you take away the individuals desire to work AND you destroy proper work ethic. Socialism sucks *shameless plug*

The other day I was talking to a lady who was all pissed off that sports stars, musicians, actors/actresess and business executives make so much more money than teachers, police officers, firefighters. So I pointed out to her that the small minority of those people who make all the money are in the private sector and they make the money because they do or have done something that warrants someone paying them that much money over their peers. The poor public workers (:2funny:) are so "underpaid" because they are government paid on set pay schedules so everyone gets the same amounts based on seniority. So I proceeded to test out some brain washing... er convincing on this lady saying that we should semi-privatize public schools so that each person sending children to school is required to pay tuition (just like community college) and book costs. Also, I said we should privatize all other public services as well so that individuals would be paid based on performance instead of just seniority. She was like "Oh thats a great idea! Why hasn't someone suggested that we do this before?" :2funny: To many people out there just lost in the sauce.

Terry S
ok you want to "privatize" fire fighters, police departments, and* teachers? can we privatize the military too? that would be great* :smitten:. then maybee we could have our military involved only in wars we actualy need to fight rather than having it be, well son your 18 now so here is your rifle. now go out there and die for........
well we dont need to tell you what you are dieing for just go do it* :knuppel2:.

you know what you can do to start your trend of privitazation? go out side, break a gas line, and then fix it your damn self because you want to privatize things lol :2funny:.

ps, do it real fast because natural gas likes to light up and its real hard to put it out O0 :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: