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Dmoney
04-06-2006, 01:55 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/06/libby.ap/index.html


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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Vice President Dick Cheney's former top aide told prosecutors that his boss said President Bush authorized the leak of sensitive intelligence information about Iraq, according to court papers filed by prosecutors in the CIA leak case.

Before his indictment, I. Lewis Libby testified to the grand jury investigating the CIA leak that Cheney told him to pass on information and that it was Bush who authorized the disclosure, the court papers say. According to the documents, the authorization led to the July 8, 2003, conversation between Libby and New York Times reporter Judith Miller.

There was no indication in the filing that either Bush or Cheney authorized Libby to disclose Valerie Plame's CIA identity. (Watch what the court document says Libby said about Bush -- 3:05)

But the disclosure in documents filed Wednesday means that the president and the vice president put Libby in play as a secret provider of information to reporters about prewar intelligence on Iraq.

Bush's political foes jumped on the revelation about Libby's testimony.

"The fact that the president was willing to reveal classified information for political gain and put interests of his political party ahead of Americas security shows that he can no longer be trusted to keep America safe," Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said.

Libby's testimony also puts the president and the vice president in the awkward position of authorizing leaks -- a practice both men have long said they abhor, so much so that the administration has put in motion criminal investigations to hunt down leakers.

The most recent instance is the administration's launching of a probe into who disclosed to The New York Times the existence of the warrantless domestic surveillance program authorized by Bush shortly after the September 11 attacks.

The authorization involving intelligence information came as the Bush administration faced mounting criticism about its failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the main reason the president and his aides had given for going to war.

Libby's participation in a critical conversation with Miller on July 8, 2003 "occurred only after the vice president advised defendant that the president specifically had authorized defendant to disclose certain information in the National Intelligence Estimate," the papers by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald stated. The filing did not specify the "certain information."

"Defendant testified that the circumstances of his conversation with reporter Miller -- getting approval from the president through the vice president to discuss material that would be classified but for that approval -- were unique in his recollection," the papers added.

Libby is asking for voluminous amounts of classified information from the government in order to defend himself against five counts of perjury, obstruction and lying to the FBI in the Plame affair.

He is accused of making false statements about how he learned of Plame's CIA employment and what he told reporters about it.

Her CIA status was publicly disclosed eight days after her husband, former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson, accused the Bush administration of twisting prewar intelligence to exaggerate the Iraqi threat from weapons of mass destruction.

In 2002, Wilson had been dispatched to Africa by the CIA to check out intelligence that Iraq had an agreement to acquire uranium yellowcake from Niger, and Wilson had concluded that there was no such arrangement.

Libby says he needs extensive classified files from the government to demonstrate that Plame's CIA connection was a peripheral matter that he never focused on, and that the role of Wilson's wife was a small piece in a building public controversy over the failure to find WMD in Iraq.

Fitzgerald said in the new court filing that Libby's requests for information go too far and the prosecutor cited Libby's own statements to investigators in an attempt to limit the amount of information the government must turn over to Cheney's former chief of staff for his criminal defense.

According to Miller's grand jury testimony, Libby told her about Plame's CIA status in the July 8, 2003 conversation that took place shortly after the White House aide -- according to the new court filing -- was authorized by Bush through Cheney to disclose sensitive intelligence about Iraq and WMD contained in a National Intelligence Estimate.

The court filing was first disclosed by The New York Sun.

Chris in SD
04-06-2006, 07:20 PM
At this point, nothing surprises me anymore... :-\

Highrever
04-08-2006, 09:26 PM
Nixon is one happy mother F'r, no longer will he be regarded as the worst president ever.


See kids? money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you the presidency of the United States

nurb2
04-08-2006, 09:42 PM
Nixon is one happy mother F'r, no longer will he be regarded as the worst president ever.


See kids? money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you the presidency of the United States


Nixon is hardly regarded as the worst president ever, but Bush is definitely a contender. Hopefully Bush will follow in Nixon's footsteps, get impeached and kicked out of office. The Democrats in five states have passed a motion to begin impeachment proceedings against him.

-nurb2-

genrec
04-08-2006, 10:35 PM
This not a democratic, republican, independent, conservative, liberal, etc..etc.. issue.

THIS IS BY FAR THE WORST ADMINISTRATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Thankfully, we only have 2 more years of these peckerhead morons in office.Period.



And YES i will say it right here. These mutherfuckers created 9/11 to scare America and create a cause togo to war. Our very own government did this.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=9%2F11+documentary

Highrever
04-09-2006, 01:14 PM
Jesus Christ... I watched that video and all I can say is wow. Greed and politics, isn't that what brought the Roman empire down? I guess Die Hard 3 was right, this was never about terrorism, it was about the gold at the bottom of the federal reserve. What's 3000 lives worth? eh about a billion USD

Chris in SD
04-09-2006, 04:57 PM
If that video is even halfway true, there is no point in pretending this country has a future...

One thing I will say, no matter what the truth of 9/11 holds, terrorism, Bin Laden, et al is REAL and will affect you if you ignore it. I can unequivocally say that there are plenty of people around the world actively seeking ways to kill you and me.

genrec
04-09-2006, 08:36 PM
Chris, i will tell you this. As fascinaing as the video is (have you watched it fully??)............I feel it is the duty of the United States government to debunk this video and the others like it. This is not a republican or democratic issue, as i ride the fence on 99% of issues.....but these videos are very compelling and the evidence is very apparent. I say if these videos are bunk the government should disprove them as opposed to ignoring them. But in all honestly, i dont think they can. I think thet are caught like kids with their hands in the cookie jar. Guilty.

I know these movement are growing and people are seeing videos like this worldwide and stateside on a daily basis, i personally cant wait till these make mainstream, which unfortunately they wont due to the fact our media is controlled by the government, and will lnever let this come out.

Try this one out:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661&q=martial+law&pl=true

Chris in SD
04-10-2006, 08:38 PM
I did watch the whole thing and I agree that the govt should prove the video wrong. Show me the money, so to speak...

genrec
04-10-2006, 11:03 PM
I did watch the whole thing and I agree that the govt should prove the video wrong. Show me the money, so to speak...


This is odd from you Chris...either..you are mocking me, or you agree?? You are usually pro government and believe they can do no wrong........

x[corwyn]
04-11-2006, 12:07 AM
I did watch the whole thing and I agree that the govt should prove the video wrong. Show me the money, so to speak...


This is odd from you Chris...either..you are mocking me, or you agree?? You are usually pro government and believe they can do no wrong........


Its kinda hard to continue following the republican rhetorix when even your own administration is shafting you. After a while you are gonna notice a huge dick in your butt with no lube.

Absinthe
04-11-2006, 10:22 AM
This not a democratic, republican, independent, conservative, liberal, etc..etc.. issue.

THIS IS BY FAR THE WORST ADMINISTRATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Thankfully, we only have 2 more years of these peckerhead morons in office.Period.



And YES i will say it right here. These mutherfuckers created 9/11 to scare America and create a cause togo to war. Our very own government did this.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=9%2F11+documentary


false consensus worst presidents are, in reverse order:
# Franklin Pierce
# Warren G. Harding
# William Henry Harrison

x[corwyn]
04-11-2006, 10:58 AM
This not a democratic, republican, independent, conservative, liberal, etc..etc.. issue.

THIS IS BY FAR THE WORST ADMINISTRATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Thankfully, we only have 2 more years of these peckerhead morons in office.Period.



And YES i will say it right here. These mutherfuckers created 9/11 to scare America and create a cause togo to war. Our very own government did this.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=9%2F11+documentary


false consensus worst presidents are, in reverse order:
# Franklin Pierce
# Warren G. Harding
# William Henry Harrison


I thought Grant was in there with the top 3.

Absinthe
04-11-2006, 11:43 AM
I did too but the 4 or five sources I read to check had the same three up top or bottom what ever the case maybe.

x[corwyn]
04-11-2006, 11:57 AM
I did too but the 4 or five sources I read to check had the same three up top or bottom what ever the case maybe.


guess being a drunk and an incompetent isn't considered as bad as it used to be...

Blaze
04-11-2006, 12:06 PM
I did watch the whole thing and I agree that the govt should prove the video wrong. Show me the money, so to speak...


This is odd from you Chris...either..you are mocking me, or you agree?? You are usually pro government and believe they can do no wrong........


By addressing the issue (be it a video, rumor or something legit) the government has to acknowledge that there is merrit to it.

By ignoring it, all this is avoided. Kind of like the "magic bullet" of days past.

Blaze

Highrever
04-11-2006, 03:29 PM
Blaze has a good point, we'll know if all this is true when we find out who capped Kennedy, personnaly I think it was the mob for bangin' Marylin Monroe who was Joe Dimaggio's wife at the time.

Chris in SD
04-11-2006, 05:16 PM
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I did watch the whole thing and I agree that the govt should prove the video wrong. Show me the money, so to speak...


This is odd from you Chris...either..you are mocking me, or you agree?? You are usually pro government and believe they can do no wrong........


Its kinda hard to continue following the republican rhetorix when even your own administration is shafting you. After a while you are gonna notice a huge dick in your butt with no lube.


There's no dick in my ass.... sorry to disappoint you.

Jeff, I am not mocking you - I am agreeing that there are a lot of points the govt should address. When I said, "Show me the money", I was referring to the fact that by the govt addressing these things, they could come clean. I never think the govt can do no wrong - I am just privvy to lots of stuff that the general population isn't, so I usually have the "whole story" the news doesn't report. When they are wrong, I will be the first to call bullshit. Unfortunately, most of the time the media reports a bunch of crap and expects people to just trust it all. Lately the Bush administration is guilty of the same thing. My job/motivation/patriotism has nothing to do with whatever crook is in the White House - it is a matter of my concern for the security of this country and the Evo-loving people in it.

x[corwyn]
04-11-2006, 08:56 PM
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I did watch the whole thing and I agree that the govt should prove the video wrong. Show me the money, so to speak...


This is odd from you Chris...either..you are mocking me, or you agree?? You are usually pro government and believe they can do no wrong........


Its kinda hard to continue following the republican rhetorix when even your own administration is shafting you. After a while you are gonna notice a huge dick in your butt with no lube.


There's no dick in my ass.... sorry to disappoint you.

Jeff, I am not mocking you - I am agreeing that there are a lot of points the govt should address. When I said, "Show me the money", I was referring to the fact that by the govt addressing these things, they could come clean. I never think the govt can do no wrong - I am just privvy to lots of stuff that the general population isn't, so I usually have the "whole story" the news doesn't report. When they are wrong, I will be the first to call bullshit. Unfortunately, most of the time the media reports a bunch of crap and expects people to just trust it all. Lately the Bush administration is guilty of the same thing. My job/motivation/patriotism has nothing to do with whatever crook is in the White House - it is a matter of my concern for the security of this country and the Evo-loving people in it.


Its a metaphore albeit a crude one, but I think pointed. I really think the last 8 years was a huge setback for everyone. I wasn't too happy about the last 2 presidential candidates on the democrats side, however the blind ferver on the republicans side still blows my mind. I think the only thing that was worse than electing Bush into office the first time, because we could have said,"Oops our bad." was to elect him again. There are some republicans I would like to see in office. At this point, even though one of the candidates on the democrats is a distant relative I would still rather see those republicans in office. I will vote anyway I can though, to prevent another guy like Bush in office again.

I may have been bagging on Grant, but he still goes down as a principled man. He was just inept at the job of President. Not corrupt and inept as what we have now.

Chris in SD
04-12-2006, 03:24 AM
Don't kid yourself and think ANY politician is really out to serve the public. These SOBs are there to serve their own egos and pocketbooks. I try to find the lesser of two evils....

In 2000, during the primaries, I voted for McCain. I never thought Bush was the best choice, but seriously, how many presidents can you name that had to deal with a catastrophe in the first stages of their first term? I would say Grant and Truman had to jump into the middle of huge wars, but they had already been going on. Bush had to deal with 9/11. Given that, and his lack of "big stage" political experience, I think he did ok. The problems started when Darth Rumsfeld and the cronies stopped listening to the moderates like Powell.

In 2008, the thought of Dems in office is even scarier than a 3rd Bush term. Can you honestly say that Hillary Clinton would be good for this country? My hope is that the moderate Republicans prop up a candidate in the middle who will be a tonic to the extremism of the far left and the far right. If Hillary gets elected President, mark my words: I will move out of this country. No joke.

Terry S
04-12-2006, 08:49 AM
Don't kid yourself and think ANY politician is really out to serve the public. These SOBs are there to serve their own egos and pocketbooks. I try to find the lesser of two evils....

In 2000, during the primaries, I voted for McCain. I never thought Bush was the best choice, but seriously, how many presidents can you name that had to deal with a catastrophe in the first stages of their first term? I would say Grant and Truman had to jump into the middle of huge wars, but they had already been going on. Bush had to deal with 9/11. Given that, and his lack of "big stage" political experience, I think he did ok. The problems started when Darth Rumsfeld and the cronies stopped listening to the moderates like Powell.

In 2008, the thought of Dems in office is even scarier than a 3rd Bush term. Can you honestly say that Hillary Clinton would be good for this country? My hope is that the moderate Republicans prop up a candidate in the middle who will be a tonic to the extremism of the far left and the far right. If Hillary gets elected President, mark my words: I will move out of this country. No joke.


+billions to all that. The 2008 Election has MASS potential to yeild the worse president & cabinet in history (ie: Hillary). If the extremists take office, we'll have a hell of a 4 year ride... I'm just glad i'll be out of the military by then.

Terry S

Absinthe
04-12-2006, 10:00 AM
hillary cant win, I'll take Rudy in 2008 please.

Chris in SD
04-12-2006, 01:36 PM
hillary cant win, I'll take Rudy in 2008 please.


Billary has a HUGE chance of winning. The Dems will be throwing their full weight (have you seen Ted Kennedy lately?) behind it, plus they'll pull most of the Hispanic, Black (or African-American, your choice), Woman, etc. vote. The only way she won't win is if she A) does something REALLY stupid during the campaign like Mr. ARGHGHRH or B) the Republicans put a really strong team in place (i.e. McCain/Powell, McCain/Giuliani, etc.).

I am SO SCARED of Hillary winning - and not because she's a woman and not because of her cankles. I am scared because she would bury this country from a foreign policy perspective and bring about really radical changes to American social life (it would make the Patriot Act look like a small bump).

x[corwyn]
04-12-2006, 02:18 PM
hillary cant win, I'll take Rudy in 2008 please.


Billary has a HUGE chance of winning. The Dems will be throwing their full weight (have you seen Ted Kennedy lately?) behind it, plus they'll pull most of the Hispanic, Black (or African-American, your choice), Woman, etc. vote. The only way she won't win is if she A) does something REALLY stupid during the campaign like Mr. ARGHGHRH or B) the Republicans put a really strong team in place (i.e. McCain/Powell, McCain/Giuliani, etc.).

I am SO SCARED of Hillary winning - and not because she's a woman and not because of her cankles. I am scared because she would bury this country from a foreign policy perspective and bring about really radical changes to American social life (it would make the Patriot Act look like a small bump).


Could you elaborate on the Social life aspect (IE Patriot Act). If there is something I have despised is the Patriot Act, the anti-consumer agenda lately, and also DMCA....

Chris in SD
04-12-2006, 02:21 PM
Hillary is pro-illegal immigrants, opposed to security screening, pro-gun control, etc. etc. etc. If you don't remember how socialist this country got under her husband, she will be a nasty reminder on a much larger scale. She makes Bill look like a moderate.

Absinthe
04-12-2006, 02:33 PM
I am surprised you think she can win, I consider myself more moderate than you and I think she'll get punked by McCain or Giuliani.

Chris in SD
04-12-2006, 02:36 PM
I am surprised you think she can win, I consider myself more moderate than you and I think she'll get punked by McCain or Giuliani.


I am actually pretty moderate, just not on some issues near and dear to my heart. The reason I think she'll do very well are based on the idiotic voter base in this country. Think of the "wisdom" of US voters... You know?

Absinthe
04-12-2006, 03:10 PM
very true there are some seriously uneducated fucks in this country and their vote counts as much as ours.

genrec
04-12-2006, 03:41 PM
hillary cant win, I'll take Rudy in 2008 please.



Fuk Rudy, he is part of the machine in office today, the worst most corrupt government in history. he shipped off all the wreckage of the world trade centers (basically a crime scene) before it could be examined. it was shipped overseas and melted down immediately. Why? to get rid of thre evidence that bombs were stategically placed in the centers so that it would implode demolition style. Rudy is one of them and should be held accountable.

Absinthe
04-12-2006, 04:49 PM
very true there are some seriously uneducated fucks in this country and their vote counts as much as ours.


Exhibit a:






hillary cant win, I'll take Rudy in 2008 please.



Fuk Rudy, he is part of the machine in office today, the worst most corrupt government in history. he shipped off all the wreckage of the world trade centers (basically a crime scene) before it could be examined. it was shipped overseas and melted down immediately. Why? to get rid of thre evidence that bombs were stategically placed in the centers so that it would implode demolition style. Rudy is one of them and should be held accountable.

Terry S
04-12-2006, 04:53 PM
very true there are some seriously uneducated fucks in this country and their vote counts as much as ours.


Exhibit a:






hillary cant win, I'll take Rudy in 2008 please.



Fuk Rudy, he is part of the machine in office today, the worst most corrupt government in history. he shipped off all the wreckage of the world trade centers (basically a crime scene) before it could be examined. it was shipped overseas and melted down immediately. Why? to get rid of thre evidence that bombs were stategically placed in the centers so that it would implode demolition style. Rudy is one of them and should be held accountable.



LOL Genrec = PWNZED!

Terry S ;)

genrec
04-12-2006, 05:02 PM
Nah i didnt get owned. Some people are just easy.....


Some people actually beleive what the news tell them.....the same news contolled by our government that only lets you see and hear what they want you to...


Some people actually think they really know whats going on, and they are not even on the inside, as if they have a clue who is pulling the strings...(and im not saying i do) but either do you....


To each his own.

Chris in SD
04-12-2006, 06:09 PM
I agreed with you Jeff that the video brought up some interesting points, but seriously, with the liberal bias from 85% of news outlets (print and TV), you'd think this stuff would have come up before. Also, plenty of foreign media (BBC, CBC, Agence Presse France, etc.) all covered 9/11 plenty and never reported anything similar. The only outlet of "news" that had any type of conspiracy type issue was..... wait for it.... big surprise.... AL JAZEERA. And we know how objective they are... (and they said it was an Israeli plot, not an internal US conspiracy).

I am curious about some of the details in the video, but if you look VERY objectively at it, you'll notice that a lot (maybe more than 50%) of their claims are not substantiated, just stated.

genrec
04-12-2006, 08:32 PM
I agreed with you Jeff that the video brought up some interesting points, but seriously, with the liberal bias from 85% of news outlets (print and TV), you'd think this stuff would have come up before. Also, plenty of foreign media (BBC, CBC, Agence Presse France, etc.) all covered 9/11 plenty and never reported anything similar. The only outlet of "news" that had any type of conspiracy type issue was..... wait for it.... big surprise.... AL JAZEERA. And we know how objective they are... (and they said it was an Israeli plot, not an internal US conspiracy).

I am curious about some of the details in the video, but if you look VERY objectively at it, you'll notice that a lot (maybe more than 50%) of their claims are not substantiated, just stated.



Thanks Chris....

The video does have loop holes, and im not saying i am convinced, but the video has led me to many other sites, articles, and info .......... and all i can vouch for is there is some very scary state of minds out there, and information that never makes it to the mainstream......but we all know that.

And for the record, again......i am not liberal nor conservative, i only wish to see an admisitration in office with their heads screwed on tight.

I know that is asking alot.

Chris in SD
04-12-2006, 08:34 PM
i only wish to see an admisitration in office with their heads screwed on tight.

I know that is asking alot.


That is the dream MLK should have really wished for... Then everything would be ok... ahhhh to dream the impossible dream.

Highrever
04-12-2006, 09:45 PM
So, who could kick down a palm tree faster? Ton Po? or Hillary and her massive cankles?