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danEvoIX562
04-28-2006, 08:39 AM
Due to all these immigration laws trying to be set up to make all Hispanics go back to where they came from, a majority of the Hispanics in CA have organized to, NOT GO TO WORK OR SUPPORT THE ECONOMY TO SHOW HOW MUCH WE, (HISPANICS) HAVE AN EFFECT ON CALIFORNIA. Please only support this act if u can afford to mis work. I am Mexican-American and my father is to but the U.S immigration services still went to his home and took him away. My father had done nothing wrong to deserve this he paid his taxes and even had a residence here in the U.S. Now if u can please just stay home and dont spend no money on May 1st it will help show how much we (hispanics) have an effect. Thanks. O0

kEvo VIII
04-28-2006, 08:46 AM
Due to all these immigration laws trying to be set up to make all Hispanics go back to where they came from, a majority of the Hispanics in CA have organized to, NOT GO TO WORK OR SUPPORT THE ECONOMY TO SHOW HOW MUCH WE, (HISPANICS) HAVE AN EFFECT ON CALIFORNIA. Please only support this act if u can afford to mis work. I am Mexican-American and my father is to but the U.S immigration services still went to his home and took him away. My father had done nothing wrong to deserve this he paid his taxes and even had a residence here in the U.S. Now if u can please just stay home and dont spend no money on May 1st it will help show how much we (hispanics) have an effect. Thanks. O0


Im filipino, but ill do it anywayO0

gen4k20a2
04-28-2006, 09:13 AM
howd the government take him if he was a legal resident? Im a legal resident, not a us citizen and dont see how they could leagally do this. If hes illegal...i guess the government has every right to deport/ move him to where ever. If he was illegal he probably knows he doesnt have the rights that someone that came into the country legally do (myself and my parents did it legally). My cousin is here illegally i think and he knows hes outta here at anytime. (Sri lankan descent). I just get pissed when i hear ILLEGAL immigrants cry and bitch when they want right of citizens or permanent residents. They must not get what the word ILLEGAL means. So what if taxes were paid and they didnt get in trouble...thats cause they dont want to get attention brought to the fact that they have no papers.

EVOL EDO
04-28-2006, 09:41 AM
howd the government take him if he was a legal resident? Im a legal resident, not a us citizen and dont see how they could leagally do this. If hes illegal...i guess the government has every right to deport/ move him to where ever. If he was illegal he probably knows he doesnt have the rights that someone that came into the country legally do (myself and my parents did it legally). My cousin is here illegally i think and he knows hes outta here at anytime. (Sri lankan descent). I just get pissed when i hear ILLEGAL immigrants cry and bitch when they want right of citizens or permanent residents. They must not get what the word ILLEGAL means. So what if taxes were paid and they didnt get in trouble...thats cause they dont want to get attention brought to the fact that they have no papers.


+1 no one is saying they cant come here or be part of the economy and culture, it is about ILLEGAL immigration not imigration, but everyone is making it out to be that way. and like 1 day is going to make a difference

gofaster87
04-28-2006, 09:50 AM
Due to all these immigration laws trying to be set up to make all Hispanics go back to where they came from, a majority of the Hispanics in CA have organized to, NOT GO TO WORK OR SUPPORT THE ECONOMY TO SHOW HOW MUCH WE, (HISPANICS) HAVE AN EFFECT ON CALIFORNIA. Please only support this act if u can afford to mis work. I am Mexican-American and my father is to but the U.S immigration services still went to his home and took him away. My father had done nothing wrong to deserve this he paid his taxes and even had a residence here in the U.S. Now if u can please just stay home and dont spend no money on May 1st it will help show how much we (hispanics) have an effect. Thanks. O0


I hope all you fuckers get fired for doing such a lame ass thing. If youre legal there isnt a problem, the government is just trying to deal with the illegals. Fucking idiot stop condoning illegal acts.

gen4k20a2
04-28-2006, 09:51 AM
exactly. This country is based on immigration. But if you come here illegally...you have no rights as citizen and have no right to expect to be treated like one....cause your not one. If the government wanted to they could kick every illegal out right now. illegals should be thanking god that the government hasnt lived by that policy instead of bitching that they should be citizens cause they ran across the desert or whatever means they took to get here. we did it legit and we have the right to bitch if we were in that situation...illegals have no rights in that manner AT ALL

gen4k20a2
04-28-2006, 09:52 AM
My mom is a director of nursing and she said if anyone walks out on the 1st shes reporting them to the board and making them all loose their ability to work near the medical industry.

Justin1933
04-28-2006, 10:11 AM
Key word ILLEGAL...Nobody is saying stop immigration..JUST STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION...

gen4k20a2
04-28-2006, 10:15 AM
right....lock down the borders!!! People dont get it

CHIGGA73
04-28-2006, 10:19 AM
If someone wants to come here and work and pay taxes, the deserve every right that this country stands for. If the want to sneak in here and think that they deserve the same rights as the citizens and avoid all the laws that the citizens abide by, then get them the hell out of here. Those kind of people are just using the system to get free health care, benefits and whatever else this country provides that theirs can't. This in turn puts a burden on us as citizens who have to pay taxes to cover those illegals

+1 on ILLEGAL immigrants being taken away from here.

+1 on hard working immigrants who want a better life for themselves and their children and will work had to come here LEGALLY

danevoix562: i hope your family is not too hurt financially by the government taking your father away

If you want to boycott work on May 1st cause you don't want the Illegal immigrants to be kicked out of the country, or you think that it will have an affect on the economy and that it will prove to the government that hispanics have power over them?, that is your decision.

what is that gonna prove? prove that you don't want to work? will that really effect the "Economy" of millions of people who will be working? What does that say about your own standards?

If you want to be part of the country, that was built by people who worked hard no matter what their trials, hardships, and oppression they faced, then man up and follow the process to becoming a citizen.

Most of the Mexican-Americans (as well as other immigrants) i know, are hard working and don't protest everything they can to get out of work and school. They work hard and ask how to make it here in the United states.

This is a free country and everyone has their freedom of speech or right to do what they will. But, actions have consequenses.

I hope that all the students who walk out of school to protest on May 1st, will be kicked out of school! The tax payers money pays for their education. Schooling is a blessing and a opportunity that their families came to the united states for. Boycotting that is a shame and a discgrace on themselves and their families.

danEvoIX562
04-28-2006, 12:53 PM
All of u who are against this i understand but my father came here legally and did everything a good citizen would and the Govt. took him and had no reason. In my opinion i believe Mexicans work hard and all they want is a better life, and if its a free country then let them be. All of u who are against this act this does not concern u so let others have their own opinion. May 1st.

gen4k20a2
04-28-2006, 01:22 PM
it does concern me....it concerns me EXTREMLY. My parents and myself came here and they had to bust their asses to get here legally. The countries they left had them poorer than those in mexico....my dad didnt even have shoes....he bought them when he left at the age of 23 for england. My parents had nothing. NOTHING. We had 20 bucks a week for food when i was 2. Now im 23 and we own a BMW X5 an Acura RL, EVO IX 6 bedroom house in south oc and they are sending me to school. THEY worked hard for it. They still work hard for it and its paying off. THEY DID IT LEGALLY. THAT IS WHY THIS WAS POSSIBLE. This country rewards those that bust their asses the right way. You need to be sure youre dad was legal cause the governemt couldnt do a damn thing if he WAS legal. All you would have to do would be to contact a lawyer and give him the facts...if hes legal you can sue the government and get some $$ and your dad back. Being that you havent said that this is the case leads me to think BS and that he was illegal. Soimething happened and your not telling us.

Dont walk out May 1st....if you do dont be surprised if you dont have a job to come back to....now thats the right LEGAL residents and Citizens have.

gofaster87
04-28-2006, 01:38 PM
Concerns me as well, my parents came over from Egypt the legal way. By the way not all Mexicans work hard, that is way too much of a generalization your part. I guarrantee many people that walk out will have to find a new job. They should make Cali a right to work state such as Nevada and Aizona that way you chumps can get fired with no reason and without fear of a lawsuit.

zum96spd
04-28-2006, 01:47 PM
Dude, lay off, we understand your parents came here legally, blah blah blah, so did mine and so did a million others....Who cares, there is no need to bash this guy. *He wants to stand up for his people, let him. *Nobody dissed your people, don't diss his! *Immigration is a very sensitive issue in this country. *There are plenty of politicians that have been working on it for many generations and I don't think they'll ever figure out a way to stop it. *It's what this country was built on. *Do you think some of the first immigrants that arrived here got legitimate papers to come over? *They came illegally and went through the process to become citizens. *It was easier then, it's much tougher now. *So there will always be a ton of illegals. *Sending them back is not the answer. *Who's going to mow the lawn at your parents' 6 bedroom house in South OC, and who's gonna wash your Acura RL? *I don't think u would? *Walking out may not send that strong of a message to the gov't, but it could raise some eyebrows and maybe some sort of reform will happen where illegals can become citizens through an easier, more structured process. *Trust me, more than not, illegals want to become citizens!

You guys are way too quick to criticize people on these forums...

unit_121
04-28-2006, 01:59 PM
BUMP for ZUM96....HES RIGHT MAN...WERE SUPPOSE TO BE BROTHERS ON THIS THING MAN....NOT HATE ON EACH OTHERS BELIEFS.....ITS ALL GOOD BRO

Blaze
04-28-2006, 02:15 PM
Hispanics in CA have organized to, NOT GO TO WORK OR SUPPORT THE ECONOMY TO SHOW HOW MUCH WE, (HISPANICS) HAVE AN EFFECT ON CALIFORNIA.


So what would you imagine the effect of all the other nationalities not going to work would have?

Try voting, attending rallies or focus groups or participating in a way that won't adversly affect other people or an already wouded economy.

And if you must exercise your right to protest (or whatever), what will you make of it? Will you take time off work and clean up your community? Will you contribute to non-profit organizations by volunteering? Will you help your fellow hispanics on their way to being nationals?

I doubt it.

I doubt (as a whole) the participants are even registered to vote (or if they are, excersize it).

This will be yet another incredible wast of time, money and resources to make a point and get 15 mintues of fame that society will forget within 24-48 hours.

-Seriously-

If you're going to do it, great. I support you. But only if you DO SOMETHING POSITIVE for yourself, your community, you nationality with the time you're taking off.

-Blaze

MYFIRSTEVO
04-28-2006, 02:25 PM
Maybe if all the illegals quit their job then the legals would have more job opening...

EVOL EDO
04-28-2006, 02:27 PM
it concerns me too my moms family came here as immigrants too, *like i said its not about immigration its about illegal immigration, just because mexicans have the most illegals they make it seem like its focused at them only. *go through the process and come here legally, i have had family and friends and know other people that have been deported or had to marry to stay here. no one is saying they cant be here just be here legally. *i hope the people that walk out dont have jobs to come back to.

gofaster87
04-28-2006, 02:52 PM
BUMP for ZUM96....HES RIGHT MAN...WERE SUPPOSE TO BE BROTHERS ON THIS THING MAN....NOT HATE ON EACH OTHERS BELIEFS.....ITS ALL GOOD BRO


Im no ones brother on this or any other forum and I dont have to respect anyones beliefs, especially those of a liberal or any belief that says we must pay money to support those that milk the system.

zum96spd
04-28-2006, 03:15 PM
True, some milk it, but most work, and they work hard!!! And they still can't become citizens...

What's funny is that there are many more American citizens that milk the system than there are immigrants that milk it. What should we do about those ones? One way or another you're paying for someone to stay home, watch daytime TV, and get fat...It's not a liberal belief, it's fact!

gen4k20a2
04-28-2006, 03:18 PM
Mexicans do nothing for my family except mow our lawn. That only has happened in the last year...guess who did it the 20+ years before that....ME. Then someone came to our door and said i cut everyones grass and what not and ill do yours for X amount of dollars. We didnt say, look a mexican so hes gardner...he can do it. It was a cheap price. We just had out gate painted by a mexican. The week later i did the rest myself. Mine came out 100X better cause i took the tmie to do it right. Come see for yourself. *And we dont take our cars to the car wash its all by hand by us.

I will bash this guy. This damn thing is retarded. May 1...so illegals can become legal. FUCK *THAT. So what if you bust your ass here. You are allowed to bust your ass by a government that, right now, looks away if you are illegal. So what if you cut our grass and wash our cars....thats the life of an illegal or those citizens that choose that job.

IF YOU ARE AN ILLEGAL YOU DO NOT DESERVE THE RIGHT JUST CAUSE YOU MADE IT HERE AND COULD HIDE OUT THAT YOU NOW DESERVE TO BE ONE.

What do you think would happen when all these low income illegals became legal and found out they all can get welfare now?

danEvoIX562
04-28-2006, 03:21 PM
Gofaster87 u dont have to make comments just leave it to those who want to say something positive. Thank's zum96spd. May 1sy

GOOSE_Ej
04-28-2006, 03:22 PM
eh i still going to school my dad is not working cause he doesnt have too hes his own boss. My bros arnt working but on their celander they have that day off.. *soo ya.. i aint mexican so dont go saying stuff. i really dont care wat anyone does may 1st all i know is im going to school coming home and playing some day of defeat source ALLL DAMN DAY LONG!

Thanks

Wish everyone the best May 1st :)

evofosizzo
04-28-2006, 03:26 PM
Due to all these immigration laws trying to be set up to make all Hispanics go back to where they came from, a majority of the Hispanics in CA have organized to, NOT GO TO WORK OR SUPPORT THE ECONOMY TO SHOW HOW MUCH WE, (HISPANICS) HAVE AN EFFECT ON CALIFORNIA. Please only support this act if u can afford to mis work. I am Mexican-American and my father is to but the U.S immigration services still went to his home and took him away. My father had done nothing wrong to deserve this he paid his taxes and even had a residence here in the U.S. Now if u can please just stay home and dont spend no money on May 1st it will help show how much we (hispanics) have an effect. Thanks. O0


I hope all you fuckers get fired for doing such a lame ass thing. If youre legal there isnt a problem, the government is just trying to deal with the illegals. Fucking idiot stop condoning illegal acts.

x20,000






Concerns me as well, my parents came over from Egypt the legal way. By the way not all Mexicans work hard, that is way too much of a generalization your part. I guarrantee many people that walk out will have to find a new job. They should make Cali a right to work state such as Nevada and Aizona that way you chumps can get fired with no reason and without fear of a lawsuit.

x150,000
We are currently being sued b/c of these illegal bitches in downtown who are claiming that they got fired for whatever the fuck reason why be. Their business filed bankrpcy, and the arrow is pointing towards the business's that had any relation with them.
DID we? yeah, um maybe like 4 years ago...
And this is some bullsht ridiculous fukn amount of digits that these people are demanding towards "others" that never ever hired them or were affiliated with.

This is repeating shit that these illegal immigrants abuse against business owners.



He wants to stand up for his people, let him.* Nobody dissed your people, don't diss his!* Immigration is a very sensitive issue in this country.* There are plenty of politicians that have been working on it for many generations and I don't think they'll ever figure out a way to stop it.
stand up for his people by not going to work? what are you 7year old ?
Yes, there are plenty of politiacians that have been working on it for years and most of them are much more educated than you are.* What does that mean? dont bitch, unless you hold the key to the answer.

silvery_eagle
04-28-2006, 03:34 PM
i have no comments on this :-\
couple of mex here in my company told me that they're not coming to work that day...
wonder what boss is going to do with that

Dmoney
04-28-2006, 03:39 PM
i have no comments on this :-\
couple of mex here in my company told me that they're not coming to work that day...
wonder what boss is going to do with that


more than 75% of the people at my work are not showing up on mon. Mostly the assembly line. general managers dont seem to care lol

Terry S
04-28-2006, 04:08 PM
Whole thing is a big waste of fucking time... The only good thing that will come out of "The Great May 1st Walkout" is the inevitable South Park episode bashing it to shit.

Terry S

gen4k20a2
04-28-2006, 04:19 PM
Bottom line....the only thing that will come out of their walk out is they will all loose their jobs (hopefully cause if i didnt i would). Then theyll be fucked....then what...your still illegal and your still not going to be a citizen.

Miss Evo8
04-28-2006, 04:24 PM
Whole thing is a big waste of fucking time... The only good thing that will come out of "The Great May 1st Walkout" is the inevitable South Park episode bashing it to shit.

Terry S



Mmm has South Park ever had an episode with "Mexicans" on it?

does this walk out apply to just Mexicans? or can mixed Hispanics join too? *:D
what % of "Mexican" blood do you have to have to be considered "Mexican" Does this walk out cover "other" Hispanics non Mexicans? Central Amerians? etc? or Only Mexicans? This walk out is stupid!
I don't get it....I don't consider myself "Mexican" I was born here and am some sort of mix blooded beaner....But I consider myself an American 1st! You're in America now so act like it! It's fucking embarassing! Stop already! No wonder everyone looks down on us! My advice to those Damn Beaners (I'm a Beaner so I can call them that!) GET YOUR FUCKING ASSES BACK TO WORK PACO!!! MY GRASS IS GETTING LONG!!!!!

And to the ones that get deported...run faster next time!!!!!!

genrec
04-28-2006, 04:29 PM
We need to round up the KKK for some good ol fashioned modern day ass kickings!!! Yee Haa

Lets see how much they wanna be here!

Miss Evo8
04-28-2006, 04:37 PM
NO Bubba...put the damn hoods away! Not yet! :D

http://www.laserp.com/dueling_banjos.htm

genrec
04-28-2006, 04:43 PM
NO Bubba...put the damn hoods away! Not yet! :D

http://www.laserp.com/dueling_banjos.htm



Funny shit!!

Terry S
04-28-2006, 04:44 PM
We need to round up the KKK for some good ol fashioned modern day ass kickings!!! Yee Haa

Lets see how much they wanna be here!


LOL! I dont think the KKK would know what to do. It's so much of what they always wanted, they wouldn't know where to start. Kinda like being a 25 year old virgin who got with Dita Von Tees for his first time. LOL

Terry S

Miss Evo8
04-28-2006, 04:48 PM
We need to round up the KKK for some good ol fashioned modern day ass kickings!!! Yee Haa

Lets see how much they wanna be here!


LOL! I dont think the KKK would know what to do. It's so much of what they always wanted, they wouldn't know where to start. Kinda like being a 25 year old virgin who got with Dita Von Tees for his first time. LOL

Terry S


might respect women so much he stays completely away from them.......... :D

GOOSE_Ej
04-28-2006, 07:32 PM
Bottom line....the only thing that will come out of their walk out is they will all loose their jobs (hopefully cause if i didnt i would). Then theyll be fucked....then what...your still illegal and your still not going to be a citizen.



ahahahahahahahah!!!! :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :idiot2: :D

Macky
04-28-2006, 08:42 PM
i hope they all get their asses fired for leaving work on may 1st.

i mean how stupid can these people really become? the reasoning they have is skewed. just because you are a hard worker doesnt legalize your stay in this country.

thats like saying osama bin laden saved a puppy after he orchestrated the 9/11 attacks on this country. same difference.


you come here illegally, been here for years and years and finally get caught, doesnt change shit.


one note to all those protesting on may 1st : trying to correct a wrong (the illegals in the US) by doing another wrong (walking out on your job to "prove the US economy needs you") doesnt make things right. you guys are better off paying for all the immigration expenses they will have to pay if they want to stay here legally. thats the smart thing to do.


i do sincerely hope all you morons walking out on your jobs on monday get your asses fired. you guys deserve that for doing that kind of stupid shit.

drmosh
04-28-2006, 09:07 PM
Unfortunately the KKK is filled with the white trash, uneducated, lazy lowlifes who collect welfare that allows many illegal aliens to fill positions they wouldn't take.

Many of you have views passionate about immigration but simply are too simple headed to understand the shadow economy principle. It would be easy to round them all up and kick them all out, but you effectively destroy the local economy in reality. Those people who are unregistered aliens pay a large percent of the functional taxes on local cities and states. If you removed that factor you remove revenue generation from that amount of people, period. They also pay for a place to live and shop locally, infusing the local economy.

So before you go spouting off how "American" you are, remember the forefathers who built this country weren't invited either, they didn't "register" with the local indians or MEXICANS who were already here.

Does that mean I support "illegal" immigration? Not necessarily, it's just not as cut and dried as some of you make it out to be.

gofaster87
04-28-2006, 09:14 PM
Gofaster87 u dont have to make comments just leave it to those who want to say something positive. Thank's zum96spd. May 1sy


Why dont stop being a little girl and stop complaining to the mods about my comments. Nobody with 17 posts is going to tell me what to do in this forum.

Macky
04-28-2006, 09:17 PM
Gofaster87 u dont have to make comments just leave it to those who want to say something positive. Thank's zum96spd. May 1sy



THIS IS AN UNMODERATED FORUM. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT SOMEONE HAS TO SAY, TOO F**KING BAD, BOO-HOO! DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT A THREAD OR POSTER IN HERE BECAUSE WE WILL IGNORE YOU!

nuff said.

gofaster87
04-28-2006, 09:19 PM
Thanks Mack, seems like only a few us can actually read.

Macky
04-28-2006, 09:27 PM
Thanks Mack, seems like only a few us can actually read.


yep. kinda like the situation at hand. they cant seem to read and understand that illegal is illegal. it may not always be as simple as that all the time, but when the law comes knocking onto your door to deport your ass outta here, i dont see why they should complain.

if they wanna be a martyr working for the US illegally then thats their problem. i wont stand up for the fact that me and my family and countless other families shed lots of sweat and tears to get here legally, to work here legally and reside here legally.

hey i work my ass off too. does that automatically make me a citizen? no. i still am going thru the proper channels.

alex_alex
04-28-2006, 09:42 PM
Due to all these immigration laws trying to be set up to make all Hispanics go back to where they came from, a majority of the Hispanics in CA have organized to, NOT GO TO WORK OR SUPPORT THE ECONOMY TO SHOW HOW MUCH WE, (HISPANICS) HAVE AN EFFECT ON CALIFORNIA. Please only support this act if u can afford to mis work. I am Mexican-American and my father is to but the U.S immigration services still went to his home and took him away. My father had done nothing wrong to deserve this he paid his taxes and even had a residence here in the U.S. Now if u can please just stay home and dont spend no money on May 1st it will help show how much we (hispanics) have an effect. Thanks. O0


Jesus titty-fucking Christ. And people WONDER why the populus doesn't respect certain races.

I certainly don't think deporting the illegals that are already here is feasible nor is it desirable, but can't we protest in a more educated way? You can sit there and walk-out and chant "we have the power" and "la raza" this and that, but the fact of the matter is, the very FACT that you are doing what youre doing undercuts what you are trying to prove.

I find it amazing how people can turn a DELIBERATELY COMMITTED ILLEGAL ACT, i.e. CRIME, into something that the government should feel guilty regulating. Amazing. Its like being an ingrateful trophy wife, except a whole lot less pretty.

People that come here should do it legally, and assimilate with the culture they were "dying" (or at the very least, jumping fences) to be part of. It doesn't help when you see crowds of people causing MORE traffic blabbering on about an issue that they BARELY understand (other than the obvious), screaming and shouting and waving the Mexican flag around. I think the perception by a lot of people on the other side of the issue is that if these people love their country and their flag so much, why the hell are they here.

genrec
04-28-2006, 10:14 PM
Jesus titty-fucking Christ.






Jesus had titties???? Dayum!

Miss Evo8
04-28-2006, 10:26 PM
Jesus titty-fucking Christ.*






:2funny:

R3dline
04-28-2006, 10:32 PM
So much anger.....

alex_alex
04-28-2006, 10:45 PM
So much anger.....


Not enough to skip out on work and cause trouble on the streets and be a nuisance, but yeah, there's some anger there. Lol.

kEvo VIII
04-29-2006, 01:11 AM
aaahahahahahh... i was being sarcastic....

x[corwyn]
04-29-2006, 01:30 AM
Someone was saying if we deported all the illegals we would lose a lot in taxes.... Perhaps. I wonder however if it would balance the free healhcare illegals get here. I worked in a hospital as a biller for 3 years. You guys cannot understand how much money hospitals lose, and the state loses from helping these people out. Even with state repayments of pennies to the dollar its very very expensive. With about 51% of our middle class citizens now unable to get Healthe insurance, I do have some anger issues with putting other countries people first before ours.

Also has any of you guys lived by Santa Ana? I lived a block away for 2 years. I had 2 motorcycles stolen and a car broken into. I lost about $10Gs even after insurance took a hit. Yes I am angry. I am angry about the ones that come here and think we owe something to people that don't care enough to actually work to belong here, that steal from us because they feel we are obligated to allow them. Hispanic walkout? You mean the vast majority is going to stop their job of stealing, and sitting at home wanking while collecting a pension, or trying to save up so they can bring more illegals over? Thanks...Take more days off like this please.

I have friends that came here legally that I have the utmost respect and admiration for. Just so you know they think these freeloading mexicans are crappy as well. They make the rest look bad, and also harm them as well. His SSN was used by some freeloader that worked with it and didn't pay taxes. This is the type of people that the Hispanics are walking out to preserve here. I can't imagine trash being a positive for our society, and will say that about any race or sex, or creed or what not that wants to freeload off the majority. There is always a bill due for that type of behavior, and quite frankly I don't want to be holding the tab anymore. Yes I am angry. Freeloaders go walk out. Keep walking back over the boarder if you don't like the rules here. I hope ALL the rules that permit the freeloading actions are removed.

Tarmac02
04-29-2006, 01:54 AM
Didn't read this entire thread because in just the first page it turned into a whole bunch of fucking whining. ILLEGAL means ILLEGAL. If you are condoning thise that choose that path than you have your own issues to deal with.

Wifey and I were watching some TV and one of those Save a Somalian for 30 cents a day commercials came on. Wifey said why don't we do that?? I said, "We pay taxes so the house down the street with 24 people living in it can receive welfare."

< Is hoping we can kick some of the ILLEGALs out so I can get a house on the cheap. If this offended you than 8--->O:

silvery_eagle
04-29-2006, 04:13 PM
hmmm are they going to sing the national anthem in spanish?

R3dline
04-29-2006, 04:22 PM
perhaps.

silvery_eagle
04-29-2006, 04:24 PM
lol it would be crazy....

Cr0mster
04-29-2006, 08:11 PM
Due to all these immigration laws trying to be set up to make all Hispanics go back to where they came from, a majority of the Hispanics in CA have organized to, NOT GO TO WORK OR SUPPORT THE ECONOMY TO SHOW HOW MUCH WE, (HISPANICS) HAVE AN EFFECT ON CALIFORNIA. Please only support this act if u can afford to mis work. I am Mexican-American and my father is to but the U.S immigration services still went to his home and took him away. My father had done nothing wrong to deserve this he paid his taxes and even had a residence here in the U.S. Now if u can please just stay home and dont spend no money on May 1st it will help show how much we (hispanics) have an effect. Thanks. O0


I hope all you fuckers get fired for doing such a lame ass thing. If youre legal there isnt a problem, the government is just trying to deal with the illegals. Fucking idiot stop condoning illegal acts.


Agreed!

Cr0mster
04-29-2006, 08:19 PM
I loved when they interviewed groups of kids in the last protest. They asked them why are you skipping school? Most of them couldn't answer it properly. They just wanted a day off. No one here has a problem with people coming to this country through proper channels but if you come here illegally you need to be shipped back to where you came from. Just because your life is shitty in your home country doesn't give you the right to bypass what millions of others have done to become a part of this country.

I hope they swoop down on these protests and deport every illegal they find. This would be a nice easy way to round them up and get them out. If you are here legally then I fully support you, but if you think you can break a the laws of this country and stay you have another thing coming.

gen4k20a2
04-30-2006, 09:46 AM
Front page of the OC register...The illegal immigrant (mexican decent) on the page that they quoted said this: "I will work. I need to eat. This is not my country for protesting. The government is not mine. The government is yours."

GokuSSJ4
04-30-2006, 10:38 AM
i have no comments on this :-\
couple of mex here in my company told me that they're not coming to work that day...
wonder what boss is going to do with that

a suggestion was given by upper management, if they want the day off, give it to them. Instead of having people walk out from working. I rather know that you choose not to work, and count with the staff that i have, then those that want to walk out during business hours. I had to schedule several people that wanted the day off (for what ever reason) should i critize them ? no! We all are intitle to do protest, some people do it differently then others...

j_nizzle
04-30-2006, 01:14 PM
+1 for all the people ditching school and work...i hope you all will never get a chance to go back again. you're giving me more of a parking area either way and i wont have to see your dumbasses again!

gofaster87
04-30-2006, 09:09 PM
i have no comments on this :-\
couple of mex here in my company told me that they're not coming to work that day...
wonder what boss is going to do with that

a suggestion was given by upper management, if they want the day off, give it to them. Instead of having people walk out from working. I rather know that you choose not to work, and count with the staff that i have, then those that want to walk out during business hours. I had to schedule several people that wanted the day off (for what ever reason) should i critize them ? no! We all are intitle to do protest, some people do it differently then others...


Figures you support people walking out on their jobs. Tom youre really gay.

CJexJiggy
04-30-2006, 11:19 PM
JOIN ME AT DOWNTOWN L.A.!!!! ON MAY 1ST!!!

Tarmac02
05-01-2006, 01:42 AM
Like this is going to accomplish anything,...

on the way home from work I'm still gonna stop by the same Taco stand and it'll be open,... what a bunch of BS... INS should roll up to one of these rallies in full force and start hookin people up...

This whole concept is gayer than 8 guys fucking 9 guys.

Chris in SD
05-01-2006, 03:35 AM
This whole concept is gayer than 8 guys fucking 9 guys.


HA HA!!!* Awesome...

I am always reading threads where people on this board are looking for jobs...

Well, today's your day!* There should be, oh, several hundred thousand jobs available nationwide today.* *;)

Finally, the comment about how many tax dollars the US would lose if they deported anyone was pretty lame.* In case you didn't know, the illegal aliens DON'T PAY TAXES.

kcross
05-01-2006, 03:45 AM
hey ive got a really really really bright idea... lets support "immigration reform" (i.e. open borders) by attempting to disrupt the economy of the country we would like to call home... we'll not work or spend money one day and be completely oblivious to the fact that anything we dont do at work or purchase will be made up some other day. i mean it worked for those millions of war protesters that wanted a withdraw from iraq, right? oh wait. it didnt.

viva mex..americo...?

additionally
http://www.craigdeluz.com/2006/04/legislative-democrats-refuse-to-work.html

Macky
05-01-2006, 08:02 AM
the best way to take care of this problem pro-actively would be:

1. drive up to lowe's/home depot with a suburban rigged with a sleep agent.
2. have as many of them board the vehicle until you cant take any more passengers.
3. begin driving, lock the doors, put on mask and start pumping the sleep agent
4. drive down to mexico.
5. unload the passengers.
6. repeat as neccessary.

GokuSSJ4
05-01-2006, 08:02 AM
i have no comments on this :-\
couple of mex here in my company told me that they're not coming to work that day...
wonder what boss is going to do with that

a suggestion was given by upper management, if they want the day off, give it to them. Instead of having people walk out from working. I rather know that you choose not to work, and count with the staff that i have, then those that want to walk out during business hours. I had to schedule several people that wanted the day off (for what ever reason) should i critize them ? no! We all are intitle to do protest, some people do it differently then others...


Figures you support people walking out on their jobs. Tom youre really gay.

no you wab! what i meant if people need a certain day off, ASK FOR IT! dont walk out since that is consider "job Abandonment" I'm part of a management team and this wouldn't be acceptable..

Miss Evo8
05-01-2006, 08:04 AM
DAMN! I wanted to get my truck washed today too!

zum96spd
05-01-2006, 08:27 AM
He wants to stand up for his people, let him.* Nobody dissed your people, don't diss his!* Immigration is a very sensitive issue in this country.* There are plenty of politicians that have been working on it for many generations and I don't think they'll ever figure out a way to stop it.
stand up for his people by not going to work? what are you 7year old ?
Yes, there are plenty of politiacians that have been working on it for years and most of them are much more educated than you are.* What does that mean? dont bitch, unless you hold the key to the answer.


7 years old?* Much more educated than I am?* You don't even know me, why would you post something like that?* You put down a couple hundred characters in that post and said nothing...What does that show about your education level?

Stand up for his people by walking out?* Yes, it's called PROTEST, look it up, it takes many forms...

evofosizzo
05-01-2006, 09:36 AM
YES, i dont know you.
Yes, its a damn bold statement.
Yes, maybe I put down about half million people on march today with ZERO fuckn progress.
As for my education level? irrelevant to topic.
Yes, I do not hold the solution for these acts.
and lastly, dont bitch unless you hold the key to the answer.

Protest?
To express strong objection. A formal declaration of disapproval or objection issued by a concerned person, group, or organization.
I protest against stupidity.


You put down a couple hundred characters in that post and said nothing...What does that show about your education level?
you put down plenty of politicians that have been working on it for years? thats quoting your statement.
what does that show about your EDUMACATION level?

Cr0mster
05-01-2006, 09:40 AM
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/3591/anonymous8uz.jpg

zum96spd
05-01-2006, 09:41 AM
Point made, look up "characters" while you're at it too...(numbers, letters, symbols, etc...)

Drop it, you're getting nowhere in this topic and neither am I.

Out

x[corwyn]
05-01-2006, 09:59 AM
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/3591/anonymous8uz.jpg


LOLOL When I was 12-15 years old *I* mowed lawns. Made about $5 a yard too. Was pretty fun too.

silvery_eagle
05-01-2006, 11:06 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/01/immigrant.day/index.html

Dmoney
05-01-2006, 11:42 AM
75% of the mexicans that work at our factory here in Santa Ana didnt show up. Its only me, and the rest of the office.

gen4k20a2
05-01-2006, 11:49 AM
fire them all

silvery_eagle
05-01-2006, 12:06 PM
in my company's warehouse its only 4 people working about 20peps job lol
half of the workers inside office is not here too lol.... so i get to talk to the girls :D

j_nizzle
05-01-2006, 12:08 PM
how come no one has posted a link to the "amzing racist" yet?!

x[corwyn]
05-01-2006, 12:18 PM
how come no one has posted a link to the "amzing racist" yet?!


Apparently if you are a taxpayer and a legal resident you are racist

gen4k20a2
05-01-2006, 12:20 PM
fire them

Dmoney
05-01-2006, 01:24 PM
I want to know what percentage of the people protesting ARE ILLEGAL. vs. the Legal protestors. i bet it be pretty one sided. I dont think the illegals will want to draw attention to themselves right now.

gen4k20a2
05-01-2006, 01:30 PM
fire them all

Terry S
05-01-2006, 01:43 PM
I want to know what percentage of the people protesting ARE ILLEGAL. vs. the Legal protestors. i bet it be pretty one sided. I dont think the illegals will want to draw attention to themselves right now.


The illegals are all at work. lol

Terry S

silvery_eagle
05-01-2006, 01:51 PM
The illegals are all at work. lol

Terry S

+1
lol

TrickedOutEVOVIII
05-01-2006, 01:52 PM
fire them all!

kEvo VIII
05-01-2006, 02:32 PM
this morning was the first time i have ever seen a jack in the box closed @ 9:00 am....
i was hungry too, danm it

silvery_eagle
05-01-2006, 02:37 PM
were you hungry for a yumbo yack?

Macky
05-01-2006, 02:51 PM
its funny mcdonalds has this commercial showing all these non-hispanics telling us that they were part of the "team" (aka worked for mcdonalds) recently. i wonder what they're trying to say.

Absinthe
05-01-2006, 03:09 PM
fire them, send them home, buils a wall and get dogs.

On a side note i hit lunch today at the pizza place in westwood, the three guys working were hispanic, and so were half the customers. I asked them "no protest for you?"

the guys said I am not illegal why should I protest? I tipped him 10 on my $5 lunch.

Dmoney
05-01-2006, 03:37 PM
The protestors that left work today actually made it harder on there fellow hispanics here at work. Gave them almost triple the work,less breaks and cut there lunch in half from 30 to 15min!

j_nizzle
05-01-2006, 03:39 PM
im going to watch that amazing racist bit again and listen to carlos mencia some more....

Terry S
05-01-2006, 03:42 PM
im going to watch that amazing racist bit again and listen to carlos mencia some more....


Amazing racist bit? link? I didn't get to see all of the carlos mencia show last night...

Terry S

Eckolaker
05-01-2006, 03:54 PM
On a side note, I drive by Home Depot on my way to work every morning.

Funny thing, I didnt see any less hispanics standing out there looking for work.

Protesting doesnt pay the bills apparently. Who'd a thunk it?

j_nizzle
05-01-2006, 03:57 PM
im going to watch that amazing racist bit again and listen to carlos mencia some more....


Amazing racist bit? link? I didn't get to see all of the carlos mencia show last night...

Terry S


http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2677619?htv=12

Terry S
05-01-2006, 04:10 PM
im going to watch that amazing racist bit again and listen to carlos mencia some more....


Amazing racist bit? link? I didn't get to see all of the carlos mencia show last night...

Terry S


http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2677619?htv=12


Bah, blocked by webnazi's.. I'll watch at home. thanks for the link.

Terry S

DARKEST_HOUR
05-01-2006, 04:11 PM
The U.S. has benefited from illegal immigrants. :idiot2:

my 0.02

gen4k20a2
05-01-2006, 04:16 PM
of course but that doesnt mean that they DESERVE to be citizens...if they didnt do the jobs someone else would.

Terry S
05-01-2006, 04:27 PM
The U.S. has benefited from illegal immigrants. :idiot2:

my 0.02


The U.S. is being hurt due to illegal immigrants.

Both statements are true.

Terry S

nj1266
05-01-2006, 04:38 PM
DAMN! I wanted to get my truck washed today too!


I wonder how much a car/truck wash would cost if these places were forced to hire legals and give them a wage that most Americans would demand, say $12/hour. After the car wash go to the strwaberry stand and fins out how much would that cost if the picking of the berrys was done by a legal citizen demanding a living wage. Then stroll down to Motel 6 and find out how much it will cost to rent a room if the room cleaning/maintaining was done by a legal citizen demanding a living wage.

I can go on and on on the cheap labor that ilegals provide. Some pay taxes and nver file for them, but others work "under the table."

I wonder if there is any economist that has done a study on the cost of living here in CA w/o illegal immigrants.

Terry S
05-01-2006, 04:43 PM
DAMN! I wanted to get my truck washed today too!


I wonder how much a car/truck wash would cost if these places were forced to hire legals and give them a wage that most Americans would demand, say $12/hour. After the car wash go to the strwaberry stand and fins out how much would that cost if the picking of the berrys was done by a legal citizen demanding a living wage. Then stroll down to Motel 6 and find out how much it will cost to rent a room if the room cleaning/maintaining was done by a legal citizen demanding a living wage.

I can go on and on on the cheap labor that ilegals provide. Some pay taxes and nver file for them, but others work "under the table."

I wonder if there is any economist that has done a study on the cost of living here in CA w/o illegal immigrants.


Car washers would be just like waiters/waitresses. Minimum wage plus tips. Nothing changes significantly.

If the cost of picking the berries became astronomical, the price of the berries would go up, demand would go down, new innovative ways to pick the berries would be invented, price would level off. Drastic industry changes, but all for the better at the slight price increase on a niche produce product.

Sounds like a winning scenario to me. O0

Terry S

Macky
05-01-2006, 04:50 PM
DAMN! I wanted to get my truck washed today too!


I wonder how much a car/truck wash would cost if these places were forced to hire legals and give them a wage that most Americans would demand, say $12/hour. After the car wash go to the strwaberry stand and fins out how much would that cost if the picking of the berrys was done by a legal citizen demanding a living wage. Then stroll down to Motel 6 and find out how much it will cost to rent a room if the room cleaning/maintaining was done by a legal citizen demanding a living wage.

I can go on and on on the cheap labor that ilegals provide. Some pay taxes and nver file for them, but others work "under the table."

I wonder if there is any economist that has done a study on the cost of living here in CA w/o illegal immigrants.


please...thats the kind of thinking that got into these people's heads - thinking that the economy will stop if they werent here.

the only force significant enough to put a strangle on the economy would be the cost of crude oil, not illegal immigrants protesting that they should be legalized without going thru due process.

the void they will leave can be filled. who wants to fill that void is irrelevant. the time it takes to fill that void will be the only time it will be of significance to the consumers, which, in this day and age where oil prices are skyrocketing, wont be that long.

Absinthe
05-01-2006, 04:54 PM
DAMN! I wanted to get my truck washed today too!


I wonder how much a car/truck wash would cost if these places were forced to hire legals and give them a wage that most Americans would demand, say $12/hour. After the car wash go to the strwaberry stand and fins out how much would that cost if the picking of the berrys was done by a legal citizen demanding a living wage. Then stroll down to Motel 6 and find out how much it will cost to rent a room if the room cleaning/maintaining was done by a legal citizen demanding a living wage.

I can go on and on on the cheap labor that ilegals provide. Some pay taxes and nver file for them, but others work "under the table."

I wonder if there is any economist that has done a study on the cost of living here in CA w/o illegal immigrants.


I wonder how much better our schools and public services would be and howmuch lower our overall crime and income tax rates would be with out 11,000,000 partially seasonal workers draining on the economy?

Absinthe
05-01-2006, 04:56 PM
Car washers would be just like waiters/waitresses. Minimum wage plus tips. Nothing changes significantly.

If the cost of picking the berries became astronomical, the price of the berries would go up, demand would go down, new innovative ways to pick the berries would be invented, price would level off. Drastic industry changes, but all for the better at the slight price increase on a niche produce product.

Sounds like a winning scenario to me. O0

Terry S


Damn it terry dont go using truthiness, and actual proven economics in this discussion, there is room only for conjecture.

Chris in SD
05-01-2006, 05:46 PM
DAMN! I wanted to get my truck washed today too!


I wonder how much a car/truck wash would cost if these places were forced to hire legals and give them a wage that most Americans would demand, say $12/hour. After the car wash go to the strwaberry stand and fins out how much would that cost if the picking of the berrys was done by a legal citizen demanding a living wage. Then stroll down to Motel 6 and find out how much it will cost to rent a room if the room cleaning/maintaining was done by a legal citizen demanding a living wage.

I can go on and on on the cheap labor that ilegals provide. Some pay taxes and nver file for them, but others work "under the table."

I wonder if there is any economist that has done a study on the cost of living here in CA w/o illegal immigrants.


I wonder how much better our schools and public services would be and howmuch lower our overall crime and income tax rates would be with out 11,000,000 partially seasonal workers draining on the economy?


Amen, brother...

nj1266
05-01-2006, 06:00 PM
If someone can post hard data that we will not pay more for service that illegal immigrants provide, then I will belive you. Until, then we are all engaging in conjecture. I would love to see hard data on the impact of the cost of living here in CA if all illegal immigrant were deported.

It is my opinion that all this is political theatrics. Nothing will come out of it. Congress is not going to pass legialation that will deny corporate america the cheap labor that they need. The hotel, argiculture, meat packing and many other industries will suffer the consequences. As someone once said "the business of America is business."

Please provide me with hard data that I will not pay more for OJ, car wash, meat at the market, berries, lettuce and many more.

Anyone has this data?

As luck would have it I came across this

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060501/us_nm/usa_immigration_agriculture_dc_3;_ylt=AvcUG6u5IhZJ wrjn5SKGNHBQuk0A;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRP UCUl

Here is the money quote

The U.S. Labor Department estimates that about 53 percent of the nation's agricultural workers lack legal documents -- though laborers and union organizers say that number is closer to 80 percent in the Salinas Valley.

Are you going to tell me that deporting the 53% of illegals who work on these farms is not going to impact the cost of produce?

Here is another quote

Paid for what they pick, workers can earn around the state minimum wage of $6.75 per hour, allowing them to send crucial remittances to their families in Mexico. Many turn to the black market for fraudulent documents to find work, which means they end up paying income tax.

A recent study by the American Farm Bureau Federation said a crackdown on illegal labor could cause production losses in U.S. agriculture of $5 billion to $9 billion in the first one to three years and up to $12 billion over four or more years.

Do you really think that anyone wants to do this back breaking work for $6.75/hr. Most people would rather work at McDonalds. Working the field is punishing work.

Corporate America is not going to let a crack down on illegal immigration to happen.

alex_alex
05-01-2006, 06:36 PM
everyone arguing that we would be paying more for services without Mexicans, please, for once, listen to some goddamn reason.

no one is disputing this. yes, mexicans work for cheap, and yes, everyone that hasn't committed a crime to be here would be paying more. but this is a very myopic perspective. LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER AREAS WHERE THESE CRIMINALS ARE A DRAIN ON OUR SOCIETY, AND NET THEM OUT.

alex_alex
05-01-2006, 06:37 PM
btw, anyone notice how much better traffic in downtown / west la was today without all the illegals driving on the roads without auto insurance?

makes you think doesn't it?

nj1266
05-01-2006, 06:59 PM
everyone arguing that we would be paying more for services without Mexicans, please, for once, listen to some goddamn reason.

no one is disputing this. yes, mexicans work for cheap, and yes, everyone that hasn't committed a crime to be here would be paying more. but this is a very myopic perspective. LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER AREAS WHERE THESE CRIMINALS ARE A DRAIN ON OUR SOCIETY, AND NET THEM OUT.

All this is conjecture. Do you have data that proves that illegals are not paying taxes? And we are talking about several taxes here. If illegals own property, then they pay property tax. They have to buy food and clothing to survive, then they have to pay a sales tax.

That leaves the income tax. If an illegal has a fake social security number, and he/she is hired based on that number, then they will get taxes withdrawn from their paychecks. It is not clear what percentage of illegals pay taxes and what percentage does not.

If you have the data, then please provide it. Show me that illegals are a drain on the resoruces of this country.

gen4k20a2
05-01-2006, 07:12 PM
its logic. How many illegals you think are gunna get credit to buy a house? None. No tax...they all rent. Sales tax...biiiiiiiggg deal. They dont buy anything big enough (car maybe) to make a large contribution. Income tax....MANY to MOST are paid under the table. No tax....and if they do use an fake SS # trust me if they had the option not to, they wouldnt pay it.

Now lets take a look at the flip side. Medical expenses for those that have children and differ to the state to pay for it. They front i think 900 and we pay the rest. think about how many have kids? Then think how many of them get medical insurance. And if insurance companies found out they were illegal how quickly theyd drop them when i came time to pay for an expensive procedure.

They are a drain on the GOVERNMENTS $$...BUT they counter with cheaper labor and doing jobs that the current populous doesnt want to do. Thats the only reason why they arent booted to begin with.

Macky
05-01-2006, 07:24 PM
this is almost as bad as trying to prove who here speeds or not.

if you can prove that all illegal immigrants are willing to pay every dime and cent of legal taxes due/owed then thats your proof that they are not a drain on the resources of this country.

but until such time anyone can prove ALL of them are paying their legal share of the taxes, then they are a drain on the resources of this country. what they contribute in miniscule amounts (i.e. cheap labor, the clause of being "hard workers") is irrelevant.

why?

because the subject at hand is that they are here ILLEGALY, and that they want to be automatically naturalized without the due process other legal immigrants have painstakingly gone thru.

do you think thats fair? NO.

think about it...they want to be treated fairly, but they dont want to respect the fair and legal process legal immigrants had to go thru to be here.

sounds ironic isnt it?

Evo9ers
05-01-2006, 08:21 PM
That leaves the income tax. If an illegal has a fake social security number, and he/she is hired based on that number, then they will get taxes withdrawn from their paychecks. It is not clear what percentage of illegals pay taxes and what percentage does not.


i hope that's not my social security number.

nj1266
05-01-2006, 09:10 PM
its logic. How many illegals you think are gunna get credit to buy a house? None. No tax...they all rent. Sales tax...biiiiiiiggg deal. They dont buy anything big enough (car maybe) to make a large contribution. Income tax....MANY to MOST are paid under the table. No tax....and if they do use an fake SS # trust me if they had the option not to, they wouldnt pay it.

Now lets take a look at the flip side. Medical expenses for those that have children and differ to the state to pay for it. They front i think 900 and we pay the rest. think about how many have kids? Then think how many of them get medical insurance. And if insurance companies found out they were illegal how quickly theyd drop them when i came time to pay for an expensive procedure.

They are a drain on the GOVERNMENTS $$...BUT they counter with cheaper labor and doing jobs that the current populous doesnt want to do. Thats the only reason why they arent booted to begin with.


A simple google search showed me that you are wrong about illegals owning houses. Here is the link

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/08/news/economy/illegal_immigrants/

Could you please explain to me why banks would provide loans to illegal immigrants if they all rent as you have asserted w/o any evidence?

You are also worng that they do not pay taxes. At least here in SoCal some do pay taxes

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-taxes17apr17,0,2638694.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Here is another one from the OC Register

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1109483.php

Here is the money quote:

It's a common misconception that illegal immigrants don't file income tax returns, said Francine Lipman, a professor at Chapman School of Law.

"A lot of undocumented immigrants pay taxes and actually pay more in taxes than your similarly situated low-income family who is here legally," said Lipman, who recently completed a law-review article titled "The Taxation of Undocumented Immigrants: Separate, Unequal and Without Representation."

So much for logic!!! You keep on making these assertions and you have no evidence. Put it this way, if I told you that my car makes 500 hp on the stock turbo would you believe me? You would probably ask for a dyno sheet or a 1/4 mile slip. All I am asking is for evidence showing that illegals are detrimental to the US.

Assertions and logic are nice, but nothing beats cols hard data in proving a point. Until some of you step up to the plate and shows me that removing illegal immigrants from US society will NOT impact my standard of living, then you are still dealing with hyperbole and assertions.

x[corwyn]
05-01-2006, 09:21 PM
DAMN! I wanted to get my truck washed today too!


I wonder how much a car/truck wash would cost if these places were forced to hire legals and give them a wage that most Americans would demand, say $12/hour. After the car wash go to the strwaberry stand and fins out how much would that cost if the picking of the berrys was done by a legal citizen demanding a living wage. Then stroll down to Motel 6 and find out how much it will cost to rent a room if the room cleaning/maintaining was done by a legal citizen demanding a living wage.

I can go on and on on the cheap labor that ilegals provide. Some pay taxes and nver file for them, but others work "under the table."

I wonder if there is any economist that has done a study on the cost of living here in CA w/o illegal immigrants.
I did that job when I was in JC for very little over minimum wage. I was happy to not be working fast food. I think a lot of other JCers would feel the same. It would also be amazing to have people you can communicate with in English...

x[corwyn]
05-01-2006, 09:24 PM
everyone arguing that we would be paying more for services without Mexicans, please, for once, listen to some goddamn reason.

no one is disputing this. yes, mexicans work for cheap, and yes, everyone that hasn't committed a crime to be here would be paying more. but this is a very myopic perspective. LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER AREAS WHERE THESE CRIMINALS ARE A DRAIN ON OUR SOCIETY, AND NET THEM OUT.

All this is conjecture. Do you have data that proves that illegals are not paying taxes? And we are talking about several taxes here. If illegals own property, then they pay property tax. They have to buy food and clothing to survive, then they have to pay a sales tax.

That leaves the income tax. If an illegal has a fake social security number, and he/she is hired based on that number, then they will get taxes withdrawn from their paychecks. It is not clear what percentage of illegals pay taxes and what percentage does not.

If you have the data, then please provide it. Show me that illegals are a drain on the resoruces of this country.


Yes I know Illegals don't pay taxes. How can they without a SSN unless they get paid under the table? How about the ones who steal a SSN and then don't pay taxes....I know people this has happened to that were legitimate immigrants where they had illegal thieves that came across the border rip them off and screw their credit and their livelihoods. I also worked as a medical biller. I saw how much money illegals cost us every day. You ask? There you go. Send them back home, or they can come here legally. If they don't like the rules, they know where the border is.

x[corwyn]
05-01-2006, 09:27 PM
its logic. How many illegals you think are gunna get credit to buy a house? None. No tax...they all rent. Sales tax...biiiiiiiggg deal. They dont buy anything big enough (car maybe) to make a large contribution. Income tax....MANY to MOST are paid under the table. No tax....and if they do use an fake SS # trust me if they had the option not to, they wouldnt pay it.

Now lets take a look at the flip side. Medical expenses for those that have children and differ to the state to pay for it. They front i think 900 and we pay the rest. think about how many have kids? Then think how many of them get medical insurance. And if insurance companies found out they were illegal how quickly theyd drop them when i came time to pay for an expensive procedure.

They are a drain on the GOVERNMENTS $$...BUT they counter with cheaper labor and doing jobs that the current populous doesnt want to do. Thats the only reason why they arent booted to begin with.


They don't buy, they steal. They steal from those of us already having to pay for them with their 10-15 kids, and on welfare and sitting at home, raising more welfare kids. You guys defending immigrants want a hint? We don't need or want strawberry pickers. We want smart, hardworking, educated people that are willing to learn english, and better their community. We don't need more strawbeery pickers that we wind up subsidizing.


On another note, did anyone else drive on the freeways today. Holy SHIT! The traffic was LESS. There were less crappy drivers! Traffic flowed. More days like this please!

EVOMANIAC
05-01-2006, 09:32 PM
I rather enjoyed today. *No traffic going to work, fewer uninsured motorists on the road, and when I had to call a few places they all spoke English. *I dont get it, the legals were protesting while the illegals were working. *I hear all the legal aliens complaining, but their not the ones getting deported. *The one major thing that I f#$&ing hate is all the Mexican flags I see at these protests. *If you are so proud that you fly the Mexican flag rather than the American flag then go back. *I put myself and my men in harms way so some a$$hole can wave another countries flag in our faces.

nj1266
05-01-2006, 09:35 PM
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everyone arguing that we would be paying more for services without Mexicans, please, for once, listen to some goddamn reason.

no one is disputing this. yes, mexicans work for cheap, and yes, everyone that hasn't committed a crime to be here would be paying more. but this is a very myopic perspective. LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER AREAS WHERE THESE CRIMINALS ARE A DRAIN ON OUR SOCIETY, AND NET THEM OUT.

All this is conjecture. Do you have data that proves that illegals are not paying taxes? And we are talking about several taxes here. If illegals own property, then they pay property tax. They have to buy food and clothing to survive, then they have to pay a sales tax.

That leaves the income tax. If an illegal has a fake social security number, and he/she is hired based on that number, then they will get taxes withdrawn from their paychecks. It is not clear what percentage of illegals pay taxes and what percentage does not.

If you have the data, then please provide it. Show me that illegals are a drain on the resoruces of this country.


Yes I know Illegals don't pay taxes. How can they without a SSN unless they get paid under the table? How about the ones who steal a SSN and then don't pay taxes....I know people this has happened to that were legitimate immigrants where they had illegal thieves that came across the border rip them off and screw their credit and their livelihoods. I also worked as a medical biller. I saw how much money illegals cost us every day. You ask? There you go. Send them back home, or they can come here legally. If they don't like the rules, they know where the border is.


Actually some of them do. Have you ever heard of the Individual Tax Identification number?

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1109483.php

Undocumented workers file nearly 6 million of the approximately 130 million individual tax returns filed each year, said Lipman, who plans to publish her findings in the Harvard Latino Law Review and the Tax Lawyer this spring. She obtained the figures from tax analysts Paula N. Singer and Linda Dodd-Major who quoted the IRS in a 2004 special report.

There are 7.2 million illegal workers in the country, reports the Pew Hispanic Center, a research organization based in Washington, D.C. If the Pew numbers and the IRS numbers used in Lipman's analysis are accurate, then about 83 percent of undocumented workers are filing tax returns every year.

Plus, the Social Security Administration last year estimated 75 percent of undocumented workers are paying Social Security withholding tax.

I guess you do not know since research shows that 83% of illegals pay their taxes. Oh yes, it is tha logic thing again :roll:

chuckdashi
05-01-2006, 09:42 PM
I rather enjoyed today. No traffic going to work, fewer uninsured motorists on the road, and when I had to call a few places they all spoke English. I dont get it, the legals were protesting while the illegals were working. I hear all the legal aliens complaining, but their not the ones getting deported. The one major thing that I f#$&ing hate is all the Mexican flags I see at these protests. If you are so proud that you fly the Mexican flag rather than the American flag then go back. I put myself and my men in harms way so some a$$hole can wave another countries flag in our faces.
+1 i think this was actually a much better day being there is no traffic... let all the illegals go home...

danEvoIX562
05-01-2006, 10:05 PM
All of who dont know shit about these illegals talk shit out of your ass, u dont fucking know if their uninsured, you idiots come in into the ghetto's and see how hard it is for these people to get money to survive. So if they had more money to go become legal the right way then of course they would. Sorry but not all of us were born into wealth like u on this thread talking about your big ass house. fuck that, you think that becuse u live in a big house that means you work hard, no, it means that you dont no shit about struggle and will never have an idea of what that is. U people are just stupid, commenting and saying what another member says. But like nj1266 said, where are the facts where's the evidence. *FUCKING RACIST

R3dline
05-01-2006, 10:21 PM
A lot of people here will say no, they are not racist but I also got the same impression but its all good.

danEvoIX562
05-01-2006, 10:29 PM
Yeah man those people just talk shit about Mexicans and the thread started with hispanics. Fucking assholes.

indianevodriver
05-01-2006, 10:38 PM
All of who dont know shit about these illegals talk shit out of your ass, u dont fucking know if their uninsured, you idiots come in into the ghetto's and see how hard it is for these people to get money to survive. So if they had more money to go become legal the right way then of course they would. Sorry but not all of us were born into wealth like u on this thread talking about your big ass house. fuck that, you think that becuse u live in a big house that means you work hard, no, it means that you dont no shit about struggle and will never have an idea of what that is. U people are just stupid, commenting and saying what another member says. But like nj1266 said, where are the facts where's the evidence. *FUCKING RACIST


You my good sir are an idiot. How do you know where the people that posted live. Do they give you an address to look up and see that they live in a big house? They could also be living in the ghetto or going through a struggle just because they have opinions does not mean that they are wealthy or have not seen struggle. I do live in a big house though and have gone through many years of struggle up until now. Wealth does not come to everyone easily. My family and I have gone through the proccess of LEGAL immigration and know how difficult it is to do things the correct way. Almost 100% of the people here from my country (india) have migrated here legally because there is no border for them to jump or swim across. I don't see the people from other countries around the world complaining about illegal immigration because they have to migrate here the correct way.

R3dline
05-01-2006, 10:48 PM
To the Natives, everyone is a wet-back!

yooyooyoo
05-01-2006, 10:50 PM
As an employer I'd also like to note that you wouldn't have to pay for medical insurance which is an increasingly huge chunk of change. Counter to that there is an increase on the burden to the emergency room system, since illegals really don't have any other means of medical care in this country. Which is of course why in many areas of socal the emergency rooms are overloaded and hospitals are going out of business like its going out of style.

Big businesses in labor intensive industries have the most to lose from immigration reform. If you think that Those on this thread that claim there were be a modest increase in price in various goods are serivces are under estimating the impact of this ultra cheap illegal workforce. From the guys that pick your lettuce to the guys that build your house, illegals in socal are there every step of the way.

If you have a dislike of illegal immigration, remove their reason for coming here. Penalize those that hire illegals. Remove their impetus for coming here. Why spend millions on a fence if you could be infinitely more effective penalizing employers?

GokuSSJ4
05-01-2006, 10:55 PM
The protestors that left work today actually made it harder on there fellow hispanics here at work. Gave them almost triple the work,less breaks and cut there lunch in half from 30 to 15min!


by law you are intitled to a 30m lunch break, as well as a 15 minute break for every 4hrs of work that you do during your shift. I understand some people had to work harder then others, especially on a day like this, but if people decided not to show up today, it's there own way of protesting; which we are all intitled to do .. whether they're right or wrong, workers still have the right to protest.

nj1266
05-01-2006, 11:09 PM
As an employer I'd also like to note that you wouldn't have to pay for medical insurance which is an increasingly huge chunk of change. Counter to that there is an increase on the burden to the emergency room system, since illegals really don't have any other means of medical care in this country. Which is of course why in many areas of socal the emergency rooms are overloaded and hospitals are going out of business like its going out of style.

Big businesses in labor intensive industries have the most to lose from immigration reform. If you think that Those on this thread that claim there were be a modest increase in price in various goods are serivces are under estimating the impact of this ultra cheap illegal workforce. From the guys that pick your lettuce to the guys that build your house, illegals in socal are there every step of the way.

If you have a dislike of illegal immigration, remove their reason for coming here. Penalize those that higher illegals. Remove their impetus for coming here. Why spend millions on a fence if you could be infinitely more effective penalizing employers?

According to estimates there are 12 million illegal immigrants, but there are 40 million unisured Americans. So the stress on the healthcare system could not possibly be ONLY becuase of illegal immgrants not having health insurance.

The rest of what you said I do agree with. Removing illegals from SoCal will have huge negative impact on our standard of living and will be inflationary.

Congress is not going to penalize employers who hire illegals. Why? Because employers are the ones that lobby Congress and make campaign contributions to Congress. Congress is not going to alienate the businesses that they rely one for campaign funds.

yooyooyoo
05-01-2006, 11:10 PM
its logic. How many illegals you think are gunna get credit to buy a house? None. No tax...they all rent. Sales tax...biiiiiiiggg deal. They dont buy anything big enough (car maybe) to make a large contribution. Income tax....MANY to MOST are paid under the table. No tax....and if they do use an fake SS # trust me if they had the option not to, they wouldnt pay it.


its logic. How many illegals you think are gunna get credit to buy a house? None. No tax...they all rent. Sales tax...biiiiiiiggg deal. They dont buy anything big enough (car maybe) to make a large contribution. Income tax....MANY to MOST are paid under the table. No tax....and if they do use an fake SS # trust me if they had the option not to, they wouldnt pay it.


If 11 million people bought one packet of $20 white corn tortillas at Ralphs and paid 8.25% in sales tax, what would that be? If 11 million renters rented rental properties, what would the net effect on rental rates for those rentals be? (heres a hint it'd be higher). If rental rates are significantly higher than without the 11 million renters what would the net effect on cap rates for these properties be? (heres a hint, it'd be higher). If cap rates on these rental properties are higher then what would have been without the 11 million, what will the net effect on the valuation of these properties be? (heres a hint, it'd be higher) If the net value of these rental properties are higher, then as they are bought and sold, what would be the net effect on the property tax revenue collected be? (heres a hint, it would increase).

The above is obviously a seemingly complicated, vast over simplification of an inherently sticky and complicated issue.

To say that illegals only drain the economy and provide no benefit is an uneducated supposition at best.

gofaster87
05-01-2006, 11:17 PM
Some of you liberals need to hung.

yooyooyoo
05-01-2006, 11:23 PM
According to estimates there are 12 million illegal immigrants, but there are 40 million unisured Americans. So the stress on the healthcare system could not possibly be ONLY becuase of illegal immgrants not having health insurance.


Let me clarify my remark... As an employer I have to pay workers comp/eo/healthcare insurance among a dozen or so other things. At the end of the day it ends up being a ridiculous amount. My industry is more brain intensive than muscle intensive.

Those that hire illegal aliens don't have to pay for these types of insurance which is an incredible savings to the employer. This undoubtedly translates into lower product costs and increased profit margins for the employer. HOWEVER, many that hire illegals are in industries with relatively thin profit margins because they tend to be unskilled jobs with few barriers to entry. As such, the lower product costs are more likely for the consumers benefit.

nj1266
05-01-2006, 11:28 PM
Some of you liberals need to hung.

Here we go with the assumptions about our political philosophy. You can't deal with the facts that 83% of illegals pay taxes, some own property and pay property taxes and keep the basic foods that we eat cheap, so you resort to one more assumption about my political philosophy. Here is a hint, I am a LIBERTARIAN. This is as anti-govt as can be.

yooyooyoo
05-01-2006, 11:31 PM
Some of you liberals need to hung.


Thats an amusing comment considering I've donated quite a bit of money towards Republican causes and candidates.

Incidentally, congressional election primaries are upon us. If you wish to donate money for just causes, now is the time.

gofaster87
05-01-2006, 11:35 PM
Some of you liberals need to hung.

Here we go with the assumptions about our political philosophy. You can't deal with the facts that 83% of illegals pay taxes, some own property and pay property taxes and keep the basic foods that we eat cheap, so you resort to one more assumption about my political philosophy. Here is a hint, I am a LIBERTARIAN. This is as anti-govt as can be.


Really most of the illegals Ive ran across dont pay shit. Im sorry but *I dont support illegal activity. I pay more taxes so these jackasses can get something they are not entitled to. Anti govt and pro humanitarian are 2 different things. Have you served in our armed forces? Ive done plenty and have dealt with plenty to support this great country. I cant deal with the fact that most people are uneducated on the impact of open border policies.

gofaster87
05-01-2006, 11:37 PM
Some of you liberals need to hung.


Thats an amusing comment considering I've donated quite a bit of money towards Republican causes and candidates.

Incidentally, congressional election primaries are upon us. If you wish to donate money for just causes, now is the time.


What does donating money have to do with anything in this thread?

yooyooyoo
05-01-2006, 11:39 PM
Some of you liberals need to hung.


Thats an amusing comment considering I've donated quite a bit of money towards Republican causes and candidates.

Incidentally, congressional election primaries are upon us. If you wish to donate money for just causes, now is the time.


What does donating money have to do with anything in this thread?


Only to show that your assumptions on who are liberals on this thread are dead wrong.

chuckdashi
05-01-2006, 11:40 PM
According to estimates there are 12 million illegal immigrants, but there are 40 million unisured Americans. So the stress on the healthcare system could not possibly be ONLY becuase of illegal immgrants not having health insurance.


Let me clarify my remark... As an employer I have to pay workers comp/eo/healthcare insurance among a dozen or so other things. At the end of the day it ends up being a ridiculous amount. My industry is more brain intensive than muscle intensive.

Those that hire illegal aliens don't have to pay for these types of insurance which is an incredible savings to the employer. This undoubtedly translates into lower product costs and increased profit margins for the employer. HOWEVER, many that hire illegals are in industries with relatively thin profit margins because they tend to be unskilled jobs with few barriers to entry. As such, the lower product costs are more likely for the consumers benefit.
most of the stuf you say yes i do agree... but not everything... i know that every company or business needs to make a pofit... hell thats the whoe reason for starting the business in the first place.... but it is people like you that actually condole ILLEGALS that they dont have to go though the process... it is people like you... that makes ILLEGAL migration seem like its ok.. there is a LEGAL way of doing business and there is an HONEST way to make a buck... if your saying that without them we can not have an affordable way of living... on that i would disagree.... things adust thats the way of life... you mentioned about rent.. have you ever heard about supply and demand?... being on the business world you should know.... when there is product that everyone wants/ needs they raise prices.... when the supply is too much for the demand... what do businesses do?.... THATS RIGHT!... they lower prices to get customers to choose their products instead of others.... thus LOWERING PRICES.... same thing goes for mortgages.... the only reason the market is going up is because here are people willing to pay that much for a house thus raising the selling price for the area.... but do you know what happens to a house that has been on the market for a few months and yet no sale?.... they lower their selling price hoping for someone t think that their price is reasonable and a DEAL.... yes i do agree that things would probably be a little more expensive in some areas of life but not everything it all evens out... housing would be cheaper/ rent.... thou raising some MINOR product... forcing companys to work smarter to still make a profit LEGALLY....

yooyooyoo
05-01-2006, 11:42 PM
Really most of the illegals Ive ran across dont pay shit. Im sorry but I dont support illegal activity. I pay more taxes so these jackasses can get something they are not entitled to. Anti govt and pro humanitarian are 2 different things. Have you served in our armed forces? Ive done plenty and have dealt with plenty to support this great country. I cant deal with the fact that most people are uneducated on the impact of open border policies.


Why don't you educate us then instead of throwing us bits of anecdotal evidence furled in rage and indignation?

I'd like to learn...

gofaster87
05-01-2006, 11:48 PM
All I have is rage and indignation after dealing with the jackasses that walked out today and watching people sitting at a desk asking for signitures supporting a cause that makes it easier to come through our borders.

yooyooyoo
05-01-2006, 11:52 PM
most of the stuf you say yes i do agree... but not everything... i know that every company or business needs to make a pofit... hell thats the whoe reason for starting the business in the first place.... but it is people like you that actually condole ILLEGALS that they dont have to go though the process... it is people like you... that makes ILLEGAL migration seem like its ok.. there is a LEGAL way of doing business and there is an HONEST way to make a buck... if your saying that without them we can not have an affordable way of living... on that i would disagree.... things adust thats the way of life... you mentioned about rent.. have you ever heard about supply and demand?... being on the business world you should know.... when there is product that everyone wants/ needs they raise prices.... when the supply is too much for the demand... what do businesses do?.... THATS RIGHT!... they lower prices to get customers to choose their products instead of others.... thus LOWERING PRICES.... same thing goes for mortgages.... the only reason the market is going up is because here are people willing to pay that much for a house thus raising the selling price for the area.... but do you know what happens to a house that has been on the market for a few months and yet no sale?.... they lower their selling price hoping for someone t think that their price is reasonable and a DEAL.... yes i do agree that things would probably be a little more expensive in some areas of life but not everything it all evens out... housing would be cheaper/ rent.... thou raising some MINOR product... forcing companys to work smarter to still make a profit LEGALLY....


I am neither condoning nor condemning illegal immigration. I am just pointing at some facts about it from an employers perspective. Illegals make things cheaper beyond just low wages and this will translate at the end of the day to the consumer. At least it should...

My business is about as far away from illegal immigration as could be, since its a very highly skilled highly technical business. Our typical employee has two or three degrees in nerdology, can make water run uphill and literally move mountains. But I am intimately familiar with the total costs of running a business and I can tell you that most employees don't have a clue as to how much their employer shells out besides payroll.

nj1266
05-02-2006, 12:03 AM
Some of you liberals need to hung.

Here we go with the assumptions about our political philosophy. You can't deal with the facts that 83% of illegals pay taxes, some own property and pay property taxes and keep the basic foods that we eat cheap, so you resort to one more assumption about my political philosophy. Here is a hint, I am a LIBERTARIAN. This is as anti-govt as can be.


Really most of the illegals Ive ran across dont pay shit. Im sorry but *I dont support illegal activity. I pay more taxes so these jackasses can get something they are not entitled to. Anti govt and pro humanitarian are 2 different things. Have you served in our armed forces? Ive done plenty and have dealt with plenty to support this great country. I cant deal with the fact that most people are uneducated on the impact of open border policies.

I try to stay as far away from the federal govt as I can including the military which is run by the govt. Really, you do not support illegal activity!!! So how come you have ILLEGALLY modded your car. If hte car in the pciture is yours, then these are ILLEGAL modifications. So you DO support illegal activity, at least some of it. That engine bay of yours is filled with illegal activity.

I never advocated open borders, but I know fully well that removing 12 million illegals will have a negative impact on my standard of living. Considering that our wages have been stagnat for so long, I am not will ing to remove 12 million people that premit me and other to have cheap goods at the stores.

Should we also cloase the doors to cheap goods coming from China? That too is undermining manufacturing in the US. Maybe we should shut down Walmart since 12% of that company's imports come from China. Those damned open border are so bad I tell you.

One of my biggest pleasures is taking my car to the car wash paying $10-12, walking to the big five next to the wash and picking up a pair of shoes for $20. Do you think I can do that if Americans were washing the car and the shoes were not made in China?

chuckdashi
05-02-2006, 12:12 AM
most of the stuf you say yes i do agree... but not everything... i know that every company or business needs to make a pofit... hell thats the whoe reason for starting the business in the first place.... but it is people like you that actually condole ILLEGALS that they dont have to go though the process... it is people like you... that makes ILLEGAL migration seem like its ok.. there is a LEGAL way of doing business and there is an HONEST way to make a buck... if your saying that without them we can not have an affordable way of living... on that i would disagree.... things adust thats the way of life... you mentioned about rent.. have you ever heard about supply and demand?... being on the business world you should know.... when there is product that everyone wants/ needs they raise prices.... when the supply is too much for the demand... what do businesses do?.... THATS RIGHT!... they lower prices to get customers to choose their products instead of others.... thus LOWERING PRICES.... same thing goes for mortgages.... the only reason the market is going up is because here are people willing to pay that much for a house thus raising the selling price for the area.... but do you know what happens to a house that has been on the market for a few months and yet no sale?.... they lower their selling price hoping for someone t think that their price is reasonable and a DEAL.... yes i do agree that things would probably be a little more expensive in some areas of life but not everything it all evens out... housing would be cheaper/ rent.... thou raising some MINOR product... forcing companys to work smarter to still make a profit LEGALLY....


I am neither condoning nor condemning illegal immigration. I am just pointing at some facts about it from an employers perspective. Illegals make things cheaper beyond just low wages and this will translate at the end of the day to the consumer. At least it should...

My business is about as far away from illegal immigration as could be, since its a very highly skilled highly technical business. Our typical employee has two or three degrees in nerdology, can make water run uphill and literally move mountains. But I am intimately familiar with the total costs of running a business and I can tell you that most employees don't have a clue as to how much their employer shells out besides payroll.
well then if im reading this right you dont agree with hiring illegals?... coz from what i undersand is thats what we are trying to point out... we do acknowledge that prices might go up... hell it might even take years before anything is actually done... and i do know that there would still be ways for them to actually get here... but that doesnt mean that we must give em a reason to think so.... im not really sure what you ethnicity is.... but do you know what they do to americans who cross mexico illegally when they are caught?... do you know if they allow people with financial interest to invest in property?.... they dont let them if they have no history to their country... but yet these people whine about we dont get this we dont get that.... even people who are here legally are protesting... for what they are legal!.... for friends or family maybe?... ok ill accept that part... but isnt this the city/state/country that they get their income from?... why try to make an economical statement?... when it aint even in a natural form that their trying to show a LOSS asking people that even for JUST TODAY dont purchase anything.... it just all doesnt make sense to me and im sure to a lot of people... they are actually getting a beter tratment than if they would be doing the same thing in another country.. deal with it... if its the law its the law...

gofaster87
05-02-2006, 12:13 AM
We have plenty of white Americans working at car washes out here in Vegas as well as in the fast food industry. My car is street legal in Vegas and I dont wear 20 dollar chinese made shoes. Cheap goods are exactly that, cheaply made goods that are not worth a shit. Walmart buys legally imported goods not black market crap, but Im sure some of it is shady. If youre going to argue with me at least make it worth my time because nothing you have said supports your argument.

chuckdashi
05-02-2006, 12:18 AM
Some of you liberals need to hung.

Here we go with the assumptions about our political philosophy. You can't deal with the facts that 83% of illegals pay taxes, some own property and pay property taxes and keep the basic foods that we eat cheap, so you resort to one more assumption about my political philosophy. Here is a hint, I am a LIBERTARIAN. This is as anti-govt as can be.


Really most of the illegals Ive ran across dont pay shit. Im sorry but *I dont support illegal activity. I pay more taxes so these jackasses can get something they are not entitled to. Anti govt and pro humanitarian are 2 different things. Have you served in our armed forces? Ive done plenty and have dealt with plenty to support this great country. I cant deal with the fact that most people are uneducated on the impact of open border policies.

I try to stay as far away from the federal govt as I can including the military which is run by the govt. Really, you do not support illegal activity!!! So how come you have ILLEGALLY modded your car. If hte car in the pciture is yours, then these are ILLEGAL modifications. So you DO support illegal activity, at least some of it. That engine bay of yours is filled with illegal activity.

I never advocated open borders, but I know fully well that removing 12 million illegals will have a negative impact on my standard of living. Considering that our wages have been stagnat for so long, I am not will ing to remove 12 million people that premit me and other to have cheap goods at the stores.

Should we also cloase the doors to cheap goods coming from China? That too is undermining manufacturing in the US. Maybe we should shut down Walmart since 12% of that company's imports come from China. Those damned open border are so bad I tell you.

One of my biggest pleasures is taking my car to the car wash paying $10-12, walking to the big five next to the wash and picking up a pair of shoes for $20. Do you think I can do that if Americans were washing the car and the shoes were not made in China?
i wish people here wernt so stupid... can you hear yourself?.... take chinas good out... hell take those stupid customer service out source out, would that be your next statement?.... companys hire and purchase goods out of state LEGALLY and still make a profit... thats called smart investments.. hwats being discussed here is people that are actually going thru our borders and saying i got here illegally and now i deserve to be treated like everyone else... have you ever been out of california?... have you ever atleast heard about cost of living?... did you know that people who live in california/ new york actually make more compared to a person living in alabama or even texas... thats because the income is computed for the cost of living... so why dont we try to stay within the subject here....

nj1266
05-02-2006, 12:23 AM
We have plenty of white Americans working at car washes out here in Vegas as well as in the fast food industry. My car is street legal in Vegas and I dont wear 20 dollar chinese made shoes. Cheap goods are exactly that, cheaply made goods that are not worth a shit. Walmart buys legally imported goods not black market crap, but Im sure some of it is shady. If youre going to argue with me at least make it worth my time because nothing you have said supports your argument.

I am sorry, but I do not believe that a car with those mods in the picture is legal even in Nevada. Please give us a list of your mods. Are you running the sotck Cat on your car? You know that tampering with the stock Cat is a FEDERAL offense and so that applies also to Nevada.

And by the way, 83% of illegals pay taxes at least according to the study cited by the CONSERVATIVE Orange Conuty Register.

chuckdashi
05-02-2006, 12:26 AM
We have plenty of white Americans working at car washes out here in Vegas as well as in the fast food industry. My car is street legal in Vegas and I dont wear 20 dollar chinese made shoes. Cheap goods are exactly that, cheaply made goods that are not worth a shit. Walmart buys legally imported goods not black market crap, but Im sure some of it is shady. If youre going to argue with me at least make it worth my time because nothing you have said supports your argument.

I am sorry, but I do not believe that a car with those mods in the picture is legal even in Nevada. Please give us a list of your mods. Are you running the sotck Cat on your car? You know that tampering with the stock Cat is a FEDERAL offense and so that applies also to Nevada.

And by the way, 83% of illegals pay taxes at least according to the study cited by the CONSERVATIVE Orange Conuty Register.
topic hispanics... what the hell has mods have to do wth anything?.....

yooyooyoo
05-02-2006, 12:26 AM
I'm just sayin that people spew all kinds of hatred and at the end of the day these illegals are attracted here b/c they can find jobs that pay them very well relative to their homelands. Who gives them those jobs? WE DO.

So in effect, we are creating our own "problem", if you view it as such.

And for the guy that says "cheap chinese products", just an fyi. I have friends in china right now that is getting "cheap clothes" manufactured for the American market. You might now them as Polo and Hugo Boss and the like.

Frankly I'm so drunk right now I'm amazed I can even coherently argue anything on the internet. Wow, I'm some kind of loser getting drunk and arguing on a Japanese car message board about illegal aliens in southern california.

God I love America!

alex_alex
05-02-2006, 12:27 AM
everyone arguing that we would be paying more for services without Mexicans, please, for once, listen to some goddamn reason.

no one is disputing this. yes, mexicans work for cheap, and yes, everyone that hasn't committed a crime to be here would be paying more. but this is a very myopic perspective. LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER AREAS WHERE THESE CRIMINALS ARE A DRAIN ON OUR SOCIETY, AND NET THEM OUT.

All this is conjecture. Do you have data that proves that illegals are not paying taxes? And we are talking about several taxes here. If illegals own property, then they pay property tax. They have to buy food and clothing to survive, then they have to pay a sales tax.

That leaves the income tax. If an illegal has a fake social security number, and he/she is hired based on that number, then they will get taxes withdrawn from their paychecks. It is not clear what percentage of illegals pay taxes and what percentage does not.

If you have the data, then please provide it. Show me that illegals are a drain on the resoruces of this country.


I think the point is being missed completely. Since WHEN was it ok to JUSTIFY a CRIME based on pragmatism? Economically "efficient" criminal behavior is still criminal behavior, and out of sheer principle, deterrence, retribution, {insert policy for crive prevention here}, are appropriate for such behavior.

If we don't get passed the initial issue of the ILLEGALITY of some people being here, we shouldn't even get to the question of whether their being here is beneficial.

I saw some video from the protest on the news tonight, and people were holding signs that said "Humans arent illegal." Somehow, these people have equivocated that with "committing a crime is ok as long as everyone benefits overall." The same justification, "humans aren't illegal," can be used to justify letting people walk from just about any crime couldn't it?

alex_alex
05-02-2006, 12:29 AM
I'm just sayin that people spew all kinds of hatred and at the end of the day these illegals are attracted here b/c they can find jobs that pay them very well relative to their homelands. Who gives them those jobs? WE DO.

So in effect, we are creating our own "problem", if you view it as such.




Wow. Down-syndrome much? This is EXACTLY why we need to be cracking DOWN on illegal immigration. We would probably steal too if it wasn't a crime to. And thats inefficient behavior societally, SO THE GOVERNMENT STEPS IN AND IMPLEMENTS LAWS THAT PROHIBIT US FROM ACTING BADLY.

chuckdashi
05-02-2006, 12:31 AM
I'm just sayin that people spew all kinds of hatred and at the end of the day these illegals are attracted here b/c they can find jobs that pay them very well relative to their homelands. Who gives them those jobs? WE DO.

So in effect, we are creating our own "problem", if you view it as such.

And for the guy that says "cheap chinese products", just an fyi. I have friends in china right now that is getting "cheap clothes" manufactured for the American market. You might now them as Polo and Hugo Boss and the like.

Frankly I'm so drunk right now I'm amazed I can even coherently argue anything on the internet. Wow, I'm some kind of loser getting drunk and arguing on a Japanese car message board about illegal aliens in southern california.

God I love America!
we did create our own problem... but now the government finally has a plan to fix that problem... took em a while but finally is trying.... where it goes from here no one really knows.... but to condole em and support them.. i dont see the point makes people who came here legally and get turned down dozen of times seem like jokes... just because they want to make an honest living...

yooyooyoo
05-02-2006, 12:33 AM
everyone arguing that we would be paying more for services without Mexicans, please, for once, listen to some goddamn reason.

no one is disputing this. yes, mexicans work for cheap, and yes, everyone that hasn't committed a crime to be here would be paying more. but this is a very myopic perspective. LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER AREAS WHERE THESE CRIMINALS ARE A DRAIN ON OUR SOCIETY, AND NET THEM OUT.

All this is conjecture. Do you have data that proves that illegals are not paying taxes? And we are talking about several taxes here. If illegals own property, then they pay property tax. They have to buy food and clothing to survive, then they have to pay a sales tax.

That leaves the income tax. If an illegal has a fake social security number, and he/she is hired based on that number, then they will get taxes withdrawn from their paychecks. It is not clear what percentage of illegals pay taxes and what percentage does not.

If you have the data, then please provide it. Show me that illegals are a drain on the resoruces of this country.


I think the point is being missed completely. Since WHEN was it ok to JUSTIFY a CRIME based on pragmatism? Economically "efficient" criminal behavior is still criminal behavior, and out of sheer principle, deterrence, retribution, {insert policy for crive prevention here}, are appropriate for such behavior.

If we don't get passed the initial issue of the ILLEGALITY of some people being here, we shouldn't even get to the question of whether their being here is beneficial.

I saw some video from the protest on the news tonight, and people were holding signs that said "Humans arent illegal." Somehow, these people have equivocated that with "committing a crime is ok as long as everyone benefits overall." The same justification, "humans aren't illegal," can be used to justify letting people walk from just about any crime couldn't it?


You own a evo, what justification do you use when you break the speed limit? I suppose whatever justification you use could be used to let people walk away from crime...

On the other hand, you might not break the speed limit, in which case, owning an evo and a motorsports company might seem like a crying shame... Or maybe USC people just drive their cars slow...

gofaster87
05-02-2006, 12:34 AM
We have plenty of white Americans working at car washes out here in Vegas as well as in the fast food industry. My car is street legal in Vegas and I dont wear 20 dollar chinese made shoes. Cheap goods are exactly that, cheaply made goods that are not worth a shit. Walmart buys legally imported goods not black market crap, but Im sure some of it is shady. If youre going to argue with me at least make it worth my time because nothing you have said supports your argument.

I am sorry, but I do not believe that a car with those mods in the picture is legal even in Nevada. Please give us a list of your mods. Are you running the sotck Cat on your car? You know that tampering with the stock Cat is a FEDERAL offense and so that applies also to Nevada.

And by the way, 83% of illegals pay taxes at least according to the study cited by the CONSERVATIVE Orange Conuty Register.


You have some issues if you think modding a car or getting a speeding ticket, which are about on par with each other fine wise, are *the same as sneaking into the US illegally. I guess we should compare putting a tb exhaust on a car to smuggling in 100 kilos of cocaine into the US. Murdering someone is illegal but we dont compare that to, lets say, having a non carb approved intake. Pull your head out of your ass. Im done with this thread.

yooyooyoo
05-02-2006, 12:37 AM
I'm just sayin that people spew all kinds of hatred and at the end of the day these illegals are attracted here b/c they can find jobs that pay them very well relative to their homelands. Who gives them those jobs? WE DO.

So in effect, we are creating our own "problem", if you view it as such.




Wow. Down-syndrome much? This is EXACTLY why we need to be cracking DOWN on illegal immigration. We would probably steal too if it wasn't a crime to. And thats inefficient behavior societally, SO THE GOVERNMENT STEPS IN AND IMPLEMENTS LAWS THAT PROHIBIT US FROM ACTING BADLY.




I'm just sayin that people spew all kinds of hatred and at the end of the day these illegals are attracted here b/c they can find jobs that pay them very well relative to their homelands. Who gives them those jobs? WE DO.

So in effect, we are creating our own "problem", if you view it as such.

And for the guy that says "cheap chinese products", just an fyi. I have friends in china right now that is getting "cheap clothes" manufactured for the American market. You might now them as Polo and Hugo Boss and the like.

Frankly I'm so drunk right now I'm amazed I can even coherently argue anything on the internet. Wow, I'm some kind of loser getting drunk and arguing on a Japanese car message board about illegal aliens in southern california.

God I love America!
we did create our own problem... but now the government finally has a plan to fix that problem... took em a while but finally is trying.... where it goes from here no one really knows.... but to condole em and support them.. i dont see the point makes people who came here legally and get turned down dozen of times seem like jokes... just because they want to make an honest living...


WHAT PLANET DO YOU PEOPLE LIVE ON?

Do you realize that you are expecting the GOVERNMENT to fix our problems?


Please define efficient societal behavior. I missed that lecture.

chuckdashi
05-02-2006, 12:41 AM
I'm just sayin that people spew all kinds of hatred and at the end of the day these illegals are attracted here b/c they can find jobs that pay them very well relative to their homelands. Who gives them those jobs? WE DO.

So in effect, we are creating our own "problem", if you view it as such.




Wow. Down-syndrome much? This is EXACTLY why we need to be cracking DOWN on illegal immigration. We would probably steal too if it wasn't a crime to. And thats inefficient behavior societally, SO THE GOVERNMENT STEPS IN AND IMPLEMENTS LAWS THAT PROHIBIT US FROM ACTING BADLY.




I'm just sayin that people spew all kinds of hatred and at the end of the day these illegals are attracted here b/c they can find jobs that pay them very well relative to their homelands. Who gives them those jobs? WE DO.

So in effect, we are creating our own "problem", if you view it as such.

And for the guy that says "cheap chinese products", just an fyi. I have friends in china right now that is getting "cheap clothes" manufactured for the American market. You might now them as Polo and Hugo Boss and the like.

Frankly I'm so drunk right now I'm amazed I can even coherently argue anything on the internet. Wow, I'm some kind of loser getting drunk and arguing on a Japanese car message board about illegal aliens in southern california.

God I love America!
we did create our own problem... but now the government finally has a plan to fix that problem... took em a while but finally is trying.... where it goes from here no one really knows.... but to condole em and support them.. i dont see the point makes people who came here legally and get turned down dozen of times seem like jokes... just because they want to make an honest living...


WHAT PLANET DO YOU PEOPLE LIVE ON?

Do you realize that you are expecting the GOVERNMENT to fix our problems?



I'm just sayin that people spew all kinds of hatred and at the end of the day these illegals are attracted here b/c they can find jobs that pay them very well relative to their homelands. Who gives them those jobs? WE DO.

So in effect, we are creating our own "problem", if you view it as such.




Wow. Down-syndrome much? This is EXACTLY why we need to be cracking DOWN on illegal immigration. We would probably steal too if it wasn't a crime to. And thats inefficient behavior societally, SO THE GOVERNMENT STEPS IN AND IMPLEMENTS LAWS THAT PROHIBIT US FROM ACTING BADLY.


Please define efficient societal behavior. I missed that lecture.
i think its called EARTH look it up you might learn something.... oh wait you have to deal with trying to get you head out of your ass first...

yooyooyoo
05-02-2006, 12:42 AM
Its quite true, my head is quite far up my ass. but its warm up there so...

yooyooyoo
05-02-2006, 12:49 AM
dude I'm getting bored, someone post something. I can't wait here all night...

silvery_eagle
05-02-2006, 01:12 AM
lol... go to sleep guys... work tomorrow..
let's see how many of them got fired

x[corwyn]
05-02-2006, 01:23 AM
I must have missed something because the places where we seem to really have a problem with illegal immigrants and where they all marching...well, last time I checked there rreally wasn't too much in agriculture there. I mean Santa Ana, and LA sure look pretty urban to me. I just drove through there today, and didn't see a whole helluva lot in the way of lettuce, or oranges, or strawberries, or anything else that really needs picking. For that matter I think for the given population of illegals, we are pretty good in the terms of pickers.

As for the people yelling racist.... I am white. I also grew up in a nice place, till I was 16. Since then I have worked for everything I have, and went to school on my own dime and taught myself how to succeed. I didn't even have a working car till I was 24. I used the bus, bicycled, walked, and skateboarded. I hated it. Also when I went in to try to get assistance I got asked 2 questions. What race and gender am I? White? Nope no assistance for you. So most of my life I have lived with Affirmative Action rules so you can take your fucking racist bullshit and shove it up your freeloading, whiney pansy ass, Politically Correct Cunt. I don't want to hear it. I worked my ass off for where I am, and I know I can stand on my own 2 feet and even though I don't have all that I want, I EARNED what I have, and subsidized the rest of you piece of shit, illegal, law breaking, freeloaders.

I also speak a limited amount of spanish, enough to get by, some russian, and hope to learn a few more languages while I am at it.... Illegals can't handle the one damned language they need here. How fucking RUDE is that? If you want to keep your culture, and your mexican flags and take them back to Mexico. While I visit there I do my best to speak in a language that is native to that country as a measure of RESPECT. I also don't expect a free handout...of course that Mexican flag you fly is representative of such a hospitable place you FLED from it. Fucking hippocrites.

Just for laughs too, I was related a story when I was doing regular trips to Ensenada for business. Basically the short of it is, the mexicans that supposedly flee are the ones that don't really want to work, and leave to get the free handouts and medical care in the states. Yea well I think with such a large population of Americans now not receiving free medical care that well has run a bit dry. Stuck the hand in the cookie jar one too many times. Momma ain't baking any more cookies. Go buy your own, and yes Illegal Mexicans I am looking at you. And please take those crappy cars that go 20mph under the limit with you.

TrickedOutEVOVIII
05-02-2006, 04:03 AM
:2funny:

i hope that was every bit as exhilirating as it was for you to write as it was for me to read...that was dead on bro, nice shootin!

T

Tarmac02
05-02-2006, 07:19 AM
Well... take a wild guess who got called out last night while those jackasses got out of hand in Vista?

If the point of yesterdays BOYCOTT was to show the Southern California commerce what effect it would have if all the illegal immigrants left then here is what I found.

1) Less Traffic
2) Less Uninsured Motorists on the road (I felt safer)
3) 10,000 more absent students from school (Our schools are overcrowded anyway. If our teachers had more face time with students then maybe our public school system wouldn't suck so bad)
4) Most buisness that remained opened saw little to no difference in buisness load (only buisinesses really effected were the Mexican markets, which are owned by Mexicans so isn't that just hurting their own profits???)


And if the goal was to show the commerce what effect they have on it they surely showed that in Vista last night when they started inturrupting buisness and drawing customers away from stores in downtown Vista. The only thing these protestors/rioters accomplished was showing the public that they lack class, respect, and responsibility they should be taking pride in to try to become legal citizens. As somebody that has to deal with San Diegos worst on a daily basis I find no shame in saying that we're better without many of them.

EVOMANIAC
05-02-2006, 08:03 AM
I didnt grow up in a nice big house with a picket fence or anything like that. Hell I was 20 before I even got my first car, that I payed for. When I was 18 I moved out and have been on my own since. Yeah I live in a nice big house, not because I make a lot of money though. I work longer hours than most people and dont get any overtime. Like I said before if you dont like it leave, we dont keep people here.

KRS333
05-02-2006, 09:09 AM
]
I must have missed something because the places where we seem to really have a problem with illegal immigrants and where they all marching...well, last time I checked there rreally wasn't too much in agriculture there. I mean Santa Ana, and LA sure look pretty urban to me. I just drove through there today, and didn't see a whole helluva lot in the way of lettuce, or oranges, or strawberries, or anything else that really needs picking. For that matter I think for the given population of illegals, we are pretty good in the terms of pickers.

As for the people yelling racist.... I am white. I also grew up in a nice place, till I was 16. Since then I have worked for everything I have, and went to school on my own dime and taught myself how to succeed. I didn't even have a working car till I was 24. I used the bus, bicycled, walked, and skateboarded. I hated it. Also when I went in to try to get assistance I got asked 2 questions. What race and gender am I? White? Nope no assistance for you. So most of my life I have lived with Affirmative Action rules so you can take your fucking racist bullshit and shove it up your freeloading, whiney pansy ass, Politically Correct Cunt. I don't want to hear it. I worked my ass off for where I am, and I know I can stand on my own 2 feet and even though I don't have all that I want, I EARNED what I have, and subsidized the rest of you piece of shit, illegal, law breaking, freeloaders.

I also speak a limited amount of spanish, enough to get by, some russian, and hope to learn a few more languages while I am at it.... Illegals can't handle the one damned language they need here. How fucking RUDE is that? If you want to keep your culture, and your mexican flags and take them back to Mexico. While I visit there I do my best to speak in a language that is native to that country as a measure of RESPECT. I also don't expect a free handout...of course that Mexican flag you fly is representative of such a hospitable place you FLED from it. Fucking hippocrites.

Just for laughs too, I was related a story when I was doing regular trips to Ensenada for business. Basically the short of it is, the mexicans that supposedly flee are the ones that don't really want to work, and leave to get the free handouts and medical care in the states. Yea well I think with such a large population of Americans now not receiving free medical care that well has run a bit dry. Stuck the hand in the cookie jar one too many times. Momma ain't baking any more cookies. Go buy your own, and yes Illegal Mexicans I am looking at you. And please take those crappy cars that go 20mph under the limit with you.


LOL...Funny stupid white boy.. Everybody works for what they have nobody is better then the next.. It is just the mentallity that we have that makes us different..

Eckolaker
05-02-2006, 09:24 AM
]
I must have missed something because the places where we seem to really have a problem with illegal immigrants and where they all marching...well, last time I checked there rreally wasn't too much in agriculture there. I mean Santa Ana, and LA sure look pretty urban to me. I just drove through there today, and didn't see a whole helluva lot in the way of lettuce, or oranges, or strawberries, or anything else that really needs picking. For that matter I think for the given population of illegals, we are pretty good in the terms of pickers.

As for the people yelling racist.... I am white. I also grew up in a nice place, till I was 16. Since then I have worked for everything I have, and went to school on my own dime and taught myself how to succeed. I didn't even have a working car till I was 24. I used the bus, bicycled, walked, and skateboarded. I hated it. Also when I went in to try to get assistance I got asked 2 questions. What race and gender am I? White? Nope no assistance for you. So most of my life I have lived with Affirmative Action rules so you can take your fucking racist bullshit and shove it up your freeloading, whiney pansy ass, Politically Correct Cunt. I don't want to hear it. I worked my ass off for where I am, and I know I can stand on my own 2 feet and even though I don't have all that I want, I EARNED what I have, and subsidized the rest of you piece of shit, illegal, law breaking, freeloaders.

I also speak a limited amount of spanish, enough to get by, some russian, and hope to learn a few more languages while I am at it.... Illegals can't handle the one damned language they need here. How fucking RUDE is that? If you want to keep your culture, and your mexican flags and take them back to Mexico. While I visit there I do my best to speak in a language that is native to that country as a measure of RESPECT. I also don't expect a free handout...of course that Mexican flag you fly is representative of such a hospitable place you FLED from it. Fucking hippocrites.

Just for laughs too, I was related a story when I was doing regular trips to Ensenada for business. Basically the short of it is, the mexicans that supposedly flee are the ones that don't really want to work, and leave to get the free handouts and medical care in the states. Yea well I think with such a large population of Americans now not receiving free medical care that well has run a bit dry. Stuck the hand in the cookie jar one too many times. Momma ain't baking any more cookies. Go buy your own, and yes Illegal Mexicans I am looking at you. And please take those crappy cars that go 20mph under the limit with you.


LOL...Funny stupid white boy.. Everybody works for what they have nobody is better then the next.. It is just the mentallity that we have that makes us different..


Clearly you missed the point of his post.

Terry S
05-02-2006, 09:25 AM
So in the spirit of yesterday, I mowed my own lawn... Oh wait, I always do that.

Illegal immigrants in construction make it impossible for citizens to get a job. Employers that hire illegals can undercut every other contractor & put them out of business. And they do.

Illegal immigrants own houses in the US. It's not illegal for a non-resident to own a house in the US. However, in order to get a federally insured loan (basically most of the home loan options out there), you have to be a resident. So you know what they do? Stated income loan (a no income documentation required loan program) & all of them are "landscapers" or "house cleaners". Biggest area of this is in Arizona but we see a ton here in SoCal also. And its oddly coincidental that they all have the exact same advertisement flyers & CPA... Oh yea, and I lost count of how many hundreds of "SSN of Borrower is Deceased" a week we deal with...

Terry S

KRS333
05-02-2006, 09:33 AM
]
I must have missed something because the places where we seem to really have a problem with illegal immigrants and where they all marching...well, last time I checked there rreally wasn't too much in agriculture there. I mean Santa Ana, and LA sure look pretty urban to me. I just drove through there today, and didn't see a whole helluva lot in the way of lettuce, or oranges, or strawberries, or anything else that really needs picking. For that matter I think for the given population of illegals, we are pretty good in the terms of pickers.

As for the people yelling racist.... I am white. I also grew up in a nice place, till I was 16. Since then I have worked for everything I have, and went to school on my own dime and taught myself how to succeed. I didn't even have a working car till I was 24. I used the bus, bicycled, walked, and skateboarded. I hated it. Also when I went in to try to get assistance I got asked 2 questions. What race and gender am I? White? Nope no assistance for you. So most of my life I have lived with Affirmative Action rules so you can take your fucking racist bullshit and shove it up your freeloading, whiney pansy ass, Politically Correct Cunt. I don't want to hear it. I worked my ass off for where I am, and I know I can stand on my own 2 feet and even though I don't have all that I want, I EARNED what I have, and subsidized the rest of you piece of shit, illegal, law breaking, freeloaders.

I also speak a limited amount of spanish, enough to get by, some russian, and hope to learn a few more languages while I am at it.... Illegals can't handle the one damned language they need here. How fucking RUDE is that? If you want to keep your culture, and your mexican flags and take them back to Mexico. While I visit there I do my best to speak in a language that is native to that country as a measure of RESPECT. I also don't expect a free handout...of course that Mexican flag you fly is representative of such a hospitable place you FLED from it. Fucking hippocrites.

Just for laughs too, I was related a story when I was doing regular trips to Ensenada for business. Basically the short of it is, the mexicans that supposedly flee are the ones that don't really want to work, and leave to get the free handouts and medical care in the states. Yea well I think with such a large population of Americans now not receiving free medical care that well has run a bit dry. Stuck the hand in the cookie jar one too many times. Momma ain't baking any more cookies. Go buy your own, and yes Illegal Mexicans I am looking at you. And please take those crappy cars that go 20mph under the limit with you.


LOL...Funny stupid white boy.. Everybody works for what they have nobody is better then the next.. It is just the mentallity that we have that makes us different..


Clearly you missed the point of his post.


I got his point but it sucks when people start stated were are going to the dumps because illeglas are taking there jobs.. Of course they are taking there jobs cause there are a few Americans that live of wellfare.. Why work when you are getting 2 checks a month for doing nothing!!! Paying no taxes & getting a shit load of cash for using other peps SS really fucking sucks.. People should not try to turn this into a racial issue cause it is not.. If the Goverment really wanted to do something I think it would have happened years ago...

Eckolaker
05-02-2006, 10:20 AM
I fail to see why people think this a racial issue.

As for few Americans living on welfare, I really suggest you review where you got your statistics from.

Its probably pointless to point out that illegals are getting welfare and other government assistance when they have children born in the US.
I also think that most of these illegals/supporters are now pulling the race card. Such a slap in the face to the African-American community. Clearly we're racist for not wanting illegal immigrant laborers to have access to free citizenship and further goverment assistance.

GokuSSJ4
05-02-2006, 10:26 AM
]
I must have missed something because the places where we seem to really have a problem with illegal immigrants and where they all marching...well, last time I checked there rreally wasn't too much in agriculture there. I mean Santa Ana, and LA sure look pretty urban to me. I just drove through there today, and didn't see a whole helluva lot in the way of lettuce, or oranges, or strawberries, or anything else that really needs picking. For that matter I think for the given population of illegals, we are pretty good in the terms of pickers.

As for the people yelling racist.... I am white. I also grew up in a nice place, till I was 16. Since then I have worked for everything I have, and went to school on my own dime and taught myself how to succeed. I didn't even have a working car till I was 24. I used the bus, bicycled, walked, and skateboarded. I hated it. Also when I went in to try to get assistance I got asked 2 questions. What race and gender am I? White? Nope no assistance for you. So most of my life I have lived with Affirmative Action rules so you can take your fucking racist bullshit and shove it up your freeloading, whiney pansy ass, Politically Correct Cunt. I don't want to hear it. I worked my ass off for where I am, and I know I can stand on my own 2 feet and even though I don't have all that I want, I EARNED what I have, and subsidized the rest of you piece of shit, illegal, law breaking, freeloaders.

I also speak a limited amount of spanish, enough to get by, some russian, and hope to learn a few more languages while I am at it.... Illegals can't handle the one damned language they need here. How fucking RUDE is that? If you want to keep your culture, and your mexican flags and take them back to Mexico. While I visit there I do my best to speak in a language that is native to that country as a measure of RESPECT. I also don't expect a free handout...of course that Mexican flag you fly is representative of such a hospitable place you FLED from it. Fucking hippocrites.

Just for laughs too, I was related a story when I was doing regular trips to Ensenada for business. Basically the short of it is, the mexicans that supposedly flee are the ones that don't really want to work, and leave to get the free handouts and medical care in the states. Yea well I think with such a large population of Americans now not receiving free medical care that well has run a bit dry. Stuck the hand in the cookie jar one too many times. Momma ain't baking any more cookies. Go buy your own, and yes Illegal Mexicans I am looking at you. And please take those crappy cars that go 20mph under the limit with you.


LOL...Funny stupid white boy.. Everybody works for what they have nobody is better then the next.. It is just the mentallity that we have that makes us different..


Clearly you missed the point of his post.


I guess it's harder for some (especially older folks) to learn another language, but i do agree with you . people should at least learn how to speak the language needed in order for them to succeed..

silvery_eagle
05-02-2006, 10:34 AM
fk them all... (illegals not mexicans)
i paid thousands and thousands to lawyers and Customs every few years just to stay in the US and keep my status...
are they trying to show America who's the daddy now coz they have lots of people?

nj1266
05-02-2006, 10:39 AM
]
I must have missed something because the places where we seem to really have a problem with illegal immigrants and where they all marching...well, last time I checked there rreally wasn't too much in agriculture there. I mean Santa Ana, and LA sure look pretty urban to me. I just drove through there today, and didn't see a whole helluva lot in the way of lettuce, or oranges, or strawberries, or anything else that really needs picking. For that matter I think for the given population of illegals, we are pretty good in the terms of pickers.

As for the people yelling racist.... I am white. I also grew up in a nice place, till I was 16. Since then I have worked for everything I have, and went to school on my own dime and taught myself how to succeed. I didn't even have a working car till I was 24. I used the bus, bicycled, walked, and skateboarded. I hated it. Also when I went in to try to get assistance I got asked 2 questions. What race and gender am I? White? Nope no assistance for you. So most of my life I have lived with Affirmative Action rules so you can take your fucking racist bullshit and shove it up your freeloading, whiney pansy ass, Politically Correct Cunt. I don't want to hear it. I worked my ass off for where I am, and I know I can stand on my own 2 feet and even though I don't have all that I want, I EARNED what I have, and subsidized the rest of you piece of shit, illegal, law breaking, freeloaders.

I also speak a limited amount of spanish, enough to get by, some russian, and hope to learn a few more languages while I am at it.... Illegals can't handle the one damned language they need here. How fucking RUDE is that? If you want to keep your culture, and your mexican flags and take them back to Mexico. While I visit there I do my best to speak in a language that is native to that country as a measure of RESPECT. I also don't expect a free handout...of course that Mexican flag you fly is representative of such a hospitable place you FLED from it. Fucking hippocrites.

Just for laughs too, I was related a story when I was doing regular trips to Ensenada for business. Basically the short of it is, the mexicans that supposedly flee are the ones that don't really want to work, and leave to get the free handouts and medical care in the states. Yea well I think with such a large population of Americans now not receiving free medical care that well has run a bit dry. Stuck the hand in the cookie jar one too many times. Momma ain't baking any more cookies. Go buy your own, and yes Illegal Mexicans I am looking at you. And please take those crappy cars that go 20mph under the limit with you.


LOL...Funny stupid white boy.. Everybody works for what they have nobody is better then the next.. It is just the mentallity that we have that makes us different..


Clearly you missed the point of his post.


I got his point but it sucks when people start stated were are going to the dumps because illeglas are taking there jobs.. Of course they are taking there jobs cause there are a few Americans that live of wellfare.. Why work when you are getting 2 checks a month for doing nothing!!! Paying no taxes & getting a shit load of cash for using other peps SS really fucking sucks.. People should not try to turn this into a racial issue cause it is not.. If the Goverment really wanted to do something I think it would have happened years ago...


I love people who talk out of their ass w/o checking the data. Few Americans on welfare? ok here are the numbers.

http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/afdc/reports/1994/overview/ovrvw30.htm

Through old (1993), 38% of wihtes, 36% of black and 18% of hispanics were on welfare. That is across the US. So you are wrong there a whites and blacks who are the majority on welfare.

So let us recap on how many times the anti illegal immigrant camp has been wrong:

1. Illegals do not pay taxes. Turns out that 83% of them do pay taxes and CONTRIBUTE to Social Security.
2. Illegal do not buy houses. Turns out that there are banks targeting illegal so they can buy houses.
3. Illegals are a drain on the helathcare system. But they are only 27% of all the uninsured population. How about the 73% who are legal and do not have health inusrance and put a drian on the healthcare system? You people do not see that. I call this hypocracy.
4. I do not support illegal acts. But it is ok for me to mod my car, run w/o a cat, speed on the freeway, do third gear pulls up and down the street so I can tune my SAFC and in the process pollute the environment and endanger those around me. Those who live in glass houses should not be casting stones.

nj1266
05-02-2006, 10:42 AM
I fail to see why people think this a racial issue.

As for few Americans living on welfare, I really suggest you review where you got your statistics from.

Its probably pointless to point out that illegals are getting welfare and other government assistance when they have children born in the US.
I also think that most of these illegals/supporters are now pulling the race card. Such a slap in the face to the African-American community. Clearly we're racist for not wanting illegal immigrant laborers to have access to free citizenship and further goverment assistance.

I am not pulling the race card. Look at my posts. My main concern is how removing illegals will negatively impact my standard of living. Another concern is the FALSE assertions being made on this board. Clearly Illegals pay taxes and contribute to the society they live in.

x[corwyn]
05-02-2006, 10:42 AM
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I must have missed something because the places where we seem to really have a problem with illegal immigrants and where they all marching...well, last time I checked there rreally wasn't too much in agriculture there. I mean Santa Ana, and LA sure look pretty urban to me. I just drove through there today, and didn't see a whole helluva lot in the way of lettuce, or oranges, or strawberries, or anything else that really needs picking. For that matter I think for the given population of illegals, we are pretty good in the terms of pickers.

As for the people yelling racist.... I am white. I also grew up in a nice place, till I was 16. Since then I have worked for everything I have, and went to school on my own dime and taught myself how to succeed. I didn't even have a working car till I was 24. I used the bus, bicycled, walked, and skateboarded. I hated it. Also when I went in to try to get assistance I got asked 2 questions. What race and gender am I? White? Nope no assistance for you. So most of my life I have lived with Affirmative Action rules so you can take your fucking racist bullshit and shove it up your freeloading, whiney pansy ass, Politically Correct Cunt. I don't want to hear it. I worked my ass off for where I am, and I know I can stand on my own 2 feet and even though I don't have all that I want, I EARNED what I have, and subsidized the rest of you piece of shit, illegal, law breaking, freeloaders.

I also speak a limited amount of spanish, enough to get by, some russian, and hope to learn a few more languages while I am at it.... Illegals can't handle the one damned language they need here. How fucking RUDE is that? If you want to keep your culture, and your mexican flags and take them back to Mexico. While I visit there I do my best to speak in a language that is native to that country as a measure of RESPECT. I also don't expect a free handout...of course that Mexican flag you fly is representative of such a hospitable place you FLED from it. Fucking hippocrites.

Just for laughs too, I was related a story when I was doing regular trips to Ensenada for business. Basically the short of it is, the mexicans that supposedly flee are the ones that don't really want to work, and leave to get the free handouts and medical care in the states. Yea well I think with such a large population of Americans now not receiving free medical care that well has run a bit dry. Stuck the hand in the cookie jar one too many times. Momma ain't baking any more cookies. Go buy your own, and yes Illegal Mexicans I am looking at you. And please take those crappy cars that go 20mph under the limit with you.


LOL...Funny stupid white boy.. Everybody works for what they have nobody is better then the next.. It is just the mentallity that we have that makes us different..


Clearly you missed the point of his post.


I got his point but it sucks when people start stated were are going to the dumps because illeglas are taking there jobs.. Of course they are taking there jobs cause there are a few Americans that live of wellfare.. Why work when you are getting 2 checks a month for doing nothing!!! Paying no taxes & getting a shit load of cash for using other peps SS really fucking sucks.. People should not try to turn this into a racial issue cause it is not.. If the Goverment really wanted to do something I think it would have happened years ago...


You still don't get it. I never said anything about illegals taking jobs. What I did say is they are taking handouts and taking money for the residents and legal residents who PAY ALL TAXES.

*I* never turned it into a racial issue. Here is how it is. We feel bad for people coming across the border. We provide some assistance. All of the sudden the number turns into MILLIONS coming across for the handouts... We say Hey wait we can't afford that, and we need to take care of our own people first before trying to take care of other peoples. Do we get a "Hey thats cool, you have helped us out a lot, Thanks!"... Nope we get a "RACIST bastards! We are going to march in the streets!!!" Yea, you are welcome.

Kinda hard for the government to change that when you have hispanics all over saying, "Hey we got a free ride, we want our brothers, and sisters, and cousins, and mother and father, and their brothers and susters to come here too cause we are family!" Lets face it, of all communities the hispanics are the ones with the lowest income, and cannot bear that financial burden if it was left to them. So it comes down to all of us, and come on... If someone says, "hey how would you feel about a ton more poor people that have nothing, have no skillset. with a lot of kids, and have medical problems, and by the way will probably not be insured and drive all over the place..." What is anyone with any brains gonna say? I know how my girlfriend feels right now about it. She is a LEGAL immigrant and was in an accident with an uninsured driver, whose passenger is now trying to sue her. Odds are the insurance will take care of it all, but the stress, and the family arguments she has had certainly by no means endear her to those who can't take care of themselves. She has been her for 3 years BTW and can speak english better than a lot of people who grew up here. Of course thats because she cares to learn.

nj1266
05-02-2006, 10:49 AM
You still don't get it. I never said anything about illegals taking jobs. What I did say is they are taking handouts and taking money for the residents and legal residents who PAY ALL TAXES.


Dude, stop repeating that BS. This is NOT TRUE. Here it is in black and white from a CONSERVATIVE paper no less

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1109483.php

Undocumented workers file nearly 6 million of the approximately 130 million individual tax returns filed each year, said Lipman, who plans to publish her findings in the Harvard Latino Law Review and the Tax Lawyer this spring. She obtained the figures from tax analysts Paula N. Singer and Linda Dodd-Major who quoted the IRS in a 2004 special report.

There are 7.2 million illegal workers in the country, reports the Pew Hispanic Center, a research organization based in Washington, D.C. If the Pew numbers and the IRS numbers used in Lipman's analysis are accurate, then about 83 percent of undocumented workers are filing tax returns every year.

Plus, the Social Security Administration last year estimated 75 percent of undocumented workers are paying Social Security withholding tax.

FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP REPEATING MISINFORMATION ON PURPOSE.

x[corwyn]
05-02-2006, 10:57 AM
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I must have missed something because the places where we seem to really have a problem with illegal immigrants and where they all marching...well, last time I checked there rreally wasn't too much in agriculture there. I mean Santa Ana, and LA sure look pretty urban to me. I just drove through there today, and didn't see a whole helluva lot in the way of lettuce, or oranges, or strawberries, or anything else that really needs picking. For that matter I think for the given population of illegals, we are pretty good in the terms of pickers.

As for the people yelling racist.... I am white. I also grew up in a nice place, till I was 16. Since then I have worked for everything I have, and went to school on my own dime and taught myself how to succeed. I didn't even have a working car till I was 24. I used the bus, bicycled, walked, and skateboarded. I hated it. Also when I went in to try to get assistance I got asked 2 questions. What race and gender am I? White? Nope no assistance for you. So most of my life I have lived with Affirmative Action rules so you can take your fucking racist bullshit and shove it up your freeloading, whiney pansy ass, Politically Correct Cunt. I don't want to hear it. I worked my ass off for where I am, and I know I can stand on my own 2 feet and even though I don't have all that I want, I EARNED what I have, and subsidized the rest of you piece of shit, illegal, law breaking, freeloaders.

I also speak a limited amount of spanish, enough to get by, some russian, and hope to learn a few more languages while I am at it.... Illegals can't handle the one damned language they need here. How fucking RUDE is that? If you want to keep your culture, and your mexican flags and take them back to Mexico. While I visit there I do my best to speak in a language that is native to that country as a measure of RESPECT. I also don't expect a free handout...of course that Mexican flag you fly is representative of such a hospitable place you FLED from it. Fucking hippocrites.

Just for laughs too, I was related a story when I was doing regular trips to Ensenada for business. Basically the short of it is, the mexicans that supposedly flee are the ones that don't really want to work, and leave to get the free handouts and medical care in the states. Yea well I think with such a large population of Americans now not receiving free medical care that well has run a bit dry. Stuck the hand in the cookie jar one too many times. Momma ain't baking any more cookies. Go buy your own, and yes Illegal Mexicans I am looking at you. And please take those crappy cars that go 20mph under the limit with you.


LOL...Funny stupid white boy.. Everybody works for what they have nobody is better then the next.. It is just the mentallity that we have that makes us different..


Clearly you missed the point of his post.


I got his point but it sucks when people start stated were are going to the dumps because illeglas are taking there jobs.. Of course they are taking there jobs cause there are a few Americans that live of wellfare.. Why work when you are getting 2 checks a month for doing nothing!!! Paying no taxes & getting a shit load of cash for using other peps SS really fucking sucks.. People should not try to turn this into a racial issue cause it is not.. If the Goverment really wanted to do something I think it would have happened years ago...


I love people who talk out of their ass w/o checking the data. Few Americans on welfare? ok here are the numbers.

http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/afdc/reports/1994/overview/ovrvw30.htm

Through old (1993), 38% of wihtes, 36% of black and 18% of hispanics were on welfare. That is across the US. So you are wrong there a whites and blacks who are the majority on welfare.

So let us recap on how many times the anti illegal immigrant camp has been wrong:

1. Illegals do not pay taxes. Turns out that 83% of them do pay taxes and CONTRIBUTE to Social Security.
2. Illegal do not buy houses. Turns out that there are banks targeting illegal so they can buy houses.
3. Illegals are a drain on the helathcare system. But they are only 27% of all the uninsured population. How about the 73% who are legal and do not have health inusrance and put a drian on the healthcare system? You people do not see that. I call this hypocracy.
4. I do not support illegal acts. But it is ok for me to mod my car, run w/o a cat, speed on the freeway, do third gear pulls up and down the street so I can tune my SAFC and in the process pollute the environment and endanger those around me. Those who live in glass houses should not be casting stones.


Really? How does an illegal person that gets paid under the table for less than minimum wage going to pay taxes? Hmmm You mean they file that they were under the $6500 single income earner? Nice... Can I do that too?


I really don't know about the houseing market but I *do* know about...

"Illegals are a drain on the helathcare system. But they are only 27% of all the uninsured population. How about the 73% who are legal and do not have health inusrance and put a drian on the healthcare system? You people do not see that. I call this hypocracy." Lets just reflect on what I saw for a while as a biller and working in accounting in a hospital. I can tell you right out that the government would reimburse pennies on the dollar for our illegal immigrant patients. I can tell you we had 3 collectors for our office in Fountain Valley. Our hospital catered mostly to older folks that were the majority of our patients. We got paid fine and only needed one collector to sort through that. We had another collector that sorted through all the other mess except for hispanics... We had a collector that was hispanic that did that. I setup the billing info and would give over the collection data and also process what the hospital was paid. We were taking a HUGE loss on those patients. For a time when I was there back in the 90s there was a movement to remove the free healthcare for illegals because of the absolute drain it is. The hispanic community whined and got angry and said that we can't do that. However they don't want to pay for it. Mexico won't pay for it. The taxpayers of the good ole USA take the hit. Our hospitals take a huge hit.

How about putting it another way. Wonder why our healthcare is so expensive? Because we have to make up for the people that come here and skip out. If you have say 1 in 20 do that, with margins already tight prices go up marginally. Get that here in OC the number goes up to sometimes as high as 1 in 3 in some hospitals or clinics. The money HAS to come from somewhere. Hospitals are undermanned, more expensive, and are not as well financed as they were 20 years ago. Why? Health care costs have escalated to the point where most people can't afford it. Why? If it isn't because of people that cheat the system, steal from everyone else, then who is it? Who should be made to either pay or get out? I can already tell you I don't want it to be me, and since I am paying I feel like I shouldn't.

Macky
05-02-2006, 11:06 AM
race has never had anything to do with it.

i want this law to pass, be passed and set in stone. illegal is illegal.

illegal aliens (all of them) are not held accountable for the same standard as do legal immigrants (i.e. legal immigrants have to stay "clean" if they want to be future citizens). furthermore, stop pulling out crap saying that those chastizing the topic are simply from well off families or have not experienced working hard at all.

I served as an officer in the army (albeit from a different country) and legally went thru all the hoops and hurdles to resign all that i had to assimilate as an immigrant in the united states. i worked hard and endured nearly 18 years (i was petitioned for immigrant status when i was in grade school) just to get a shot at applying. on top of that, as an immigrant, you have to stay out of trouble, because the FBI and INS document everything that happens to you. and IF you become an undesirable alien (i.e. you were involved in a crime or whatnot), that can be grounds for you to be deported off the US. (mind you, this is deporting a legal immigrant who went thru everything just to be here, losing everything in the process)

believe me, there is a LOT more to being a legal immigrant than all these protesters think they know.

and its HARD, there IS A LOT OF HARD WORK INVOLVED, and TIME, and PATIENCE, an oh wait, lets not forget...before you are even considered for an immigrant visa application, you go thru all sorts of blood and medical tests (i.e. AIDS, cancer, etc) that YOU PAY ON YOUR OWN, not the government nor any 3rd party.

basically, you, as an immigrant, has to present yourself in a favorable manner to be accepted into the US. you have to be clean, both in the legal term and clinical term.

so yes the grief and hardships legal immigrants went thru is nothing to scoff at, and it is infuriating and insulting to us that these people who just get here illegally want to be granted amnesty and be accepted as legal residents and citizens.


fuck that. want to be treated fairly, stand the fuck in line and wait your turn. stop bringing up economical issues, the reform is not about economic reform, it is about immigration reform.


and, in case they havent noticed, the law is symbolized by a blind lady. so nobody here is being racist. the law is the law, it doesnt discriminate. if you are illegal, then you are shit out of luck.

nj1266
05-02-2006, 11:16 AM
xcronin,

You keep on making assertions w/o any shred of data to back it up. As I showed in my prior post, 83% of illegals pay taxes and 75% contribute to SS.

Americans like to scapegoat others for the ills of our society. We are stuck in a war in Iraq that have cost $277 billion to date, budget deficit keep piling up since Bush and Congress have slashed taxes and INCREASED spending. The debt is about $8.4 TRILLION and Bush and Congress have increased the debt by 47% since he took over. Gas prices are high as I have ever seen in the US. The US is preparing to bomb Iran and expand the Iraq war into a regoinal war.

AND WHAT ARE MOST AMERICANS UP IN ARMS ABOUT? Illegal immigrants that make up only 3% of the entire population. The Romans used a very good technique to distract the masses. It is called BREAD and CIRCUSES. They used to have gladiator fights in the colliseum and throw bread to the masses with the Emperror watching.

This is the same thing. A mere distraction from the real issues; political theatrics in an election year and most of you are falling for it.

Macky
05-02-2006, 11:21 AM
why keep on changing the subject?

the protesters are protesting because of immigration reforms. they are the ones who brought up the "i pay taxes too" argument.

its not about who pays what and where.

its about a bill being passed into law targeting an already overdue problem in the country.

you cant solve all the ills of the world all at once. immigration reform is just one problem being tackled here, not who pays taxes or not.


once that problem is fixed, them we can move on to the next issue at hand.

EVOMANIAC
05-02-2006, 11:30 AM
So if illegal immigrants pay taxes, then collect the money from then, and then deport their sorry asses to whatever country they came from.

nj1266
05-02-2006, 11:34 AM
Macky,

You mkae it seem like it is a big deal to become a legal immigrant. It is not. I went through it too. It was a breeze. I hired a lwayer and he took care of everything. It was easy as could be. Your experience does not mean that it is hard to become a citizen. IT IS JUST YOUR EXPERIENCE.

I for one do not give an F about the legality of the issue. There are so many illegal crap that we do in our daily lives and this is just another example. We drive ILLEGALLY modded cars with loud exhausts, w/o a cat, with modified intakes and exhuast manifolds. We break the speed limit, we do thrid gear pulls on public roads to tune our cars. ALL of it is illegal.

Also before 1924 there was little to no regulation of immigration. When immigrants were coming from Eastern Europe and Western Europe no one gave a hoot. Now that the patterns have changes and the overwhelming majority of immigrants are from less developed countries people are up in arms about this.

To me this is a none issue. Let them come in. I have ZERO problems with illegal immigrants. They keep my basic needs cheap and they put a damper on inflation since they are a cheap labor pool to draw from.

nj1266
05-02-2006, 11:37 AM
why keep on changing the subject?

the protesters are protesting because of immigration reforms. they are the ones who brought up the "i pay taxes too" argument.

its not about who pays what and where.

its about a bill being passed into law targeting an already overdue problem in the country.

you cant solve all the ills of the world all at once. immigration reform is just one problem being tackled here, not who pays taxes or not.


once that problem is fixed, them we can move on to the next issue at hand.


Macky,

Please get your facts straight. The House of representative passed the bill. The Senate did not pass one. For a bill to become law, BOTH chambers of Congress should pass the SAME bill and the president sings it into law.

There is NO LAW right now declaring illegal immigrants to be felons and THERE WILL NOT BE ONE. Corporate America is agianst it and it will not happen.

Macky
05-02-2006, 11:47 AM
Macky,

You mkae it seem like it is a big deal to become a legal immigrant. It is not. I went through it too. It was a breeze. I hired a lwayer and he took care of everything. It was easy as could be. Your experience does not mean that it is hard to become a citizen. IT IS JUST YOUR EXPERIENCE.

I for one do not give an F about the legality of the issue. There are so many illegal crap that we do in our daily lives and this is just another example. We drive ILLEGALLY modded cars with loud exhausts, w/o a cat, with modified intakes and exhuast manifolds. We break the speed limit, we do thrid gear pulls on public roads to tune our cars. ALL of it is illegal.

Also before 1924 there was little to no regulation of immigration. When immigrants were coming from Eastern Europe and Western Europe no one gave a hoot. Now that the patterns have changes and the overwhelming majority of immigrants are from less developed countries people are up in arms about this.

To me this is a none issue. Let them come in. I have ZERO problems with illegal immigrants. They keep my basic needs cheap and they put a damper on inflation since they are a cheap labor pool to draw from.



its not about hiring a lawyer. you dont need a lawyer unless there is a problem with your documents/papers.it is just NOT MY EXPERIENCE. all legal immigrants go thru a long and tedious process. those that want a shortcut end up needing lawyer help. its THAT simple. its not just my experience. its the norm.

you paid for a lawyer when you dont really need to. unless you are a fugitive, have a criminal record and the like, whats the point? to expedite? come on. good things come to those who wait. nothing in all the documentation states that you need a lawyer to represent yourself just to become a citizen. it is open to all people who can pass the cut.

i paid all due fees and expenses and just that. for you to pay that and a lawyer tells me there is just something shady. im sorry but that kind of sitaution sounds fishy to me.

i just simply stated that it takes a lot to go thru due process. and not to be rude, but of the 10 people i knew that needed to hire a lawyer to help them thru immigration, its because all 10 of them have had problems in terms of missing papers, or other document-related issues. some also were overstaying illegally and were trying to find loopholes in the system to exploit to get legal resident status.

but again, stop deferring the subject into other illegal activites like speeding, other technicalities on cars and the like. changing the subject doesnt change the overall issue.

its not about that, its about the reform per se. what it ultimately affects down the line is beyond me and could frankly care less. what happens, happens. so what if basic costs go up? they are anyway and there is nothing proactively we can do to stem that.

please stay on topic.

Macky
05-02-2006, 11:52 AM
Macky,

Please get your facts straight. The House of representative passed the bill. The Senate did not pass one. For a bill to become law, BOTH chambers of Congress should pass the SAME bill and the president sings it into law.

There is NO LAW right now declaring illegal immigrants to be felons and THERE WILL NOT BE ONE. Corporate America is agianst it and it will not happen.


so what if the senate didnt pass the bill? so what if its not the law yet?

its just that now more people are aware and are finding ways to fix the problem.

just as working hard and paying taxes doesnt legalize your stature in the US, that doesnt change the fact that the illegal immigrants are here in the US illegally. and that accounts for all races, not just hispanics.

ultraflip
05-02-2006, 12:14 PM
xcronin,

You keep on making assertions w/o any shred of data to back it up. As I showed in my prior post, 83% of illegals pay taxes and 75% contribute to SS.

Americans like to scapegoat others for the ills of our society. We are stuck in a war in Iraq that have cost $277 billion to date, budget deficit keep piling up since Bush and Congress have slashed taxes and INCREASED spending. The debt is about $8.4 TRILLION and Bush and Congress have increased the debt by 47% since he took over. Gas prices are high as I have ever seen in the US. The US is preparing to bomb Iran and expand the Iraq war into a regoinal war.

AND WHAT ARE MOST AMERICANS UP IN ARMS ABOUT? Illegal immigrants that make up only 3% of the entire population. The Romans used a very good technique to distract the masses. It is called BREAD and CIRCUSES. They used to have gladiator fights in the colliseum and throw bread to the masses with the Emperror watching.

This is the same thing. A mere distraction from the real issues; political theatrics in an election year and most of you are falling for it.


biggest... bull shxt ever...


Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002......"

"With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments..."

"...estimates that granting legal status to illegal immigrants would dramatically increase their cost, causing the net fiscal deficit to rise to nearly $29 billion because unskilled immigrants would have access to more government services while continuing to make modest tax payments."

"Even though illegal aliens make little use of welfare, from which they are generally barred, the costs of illegal immigration in terms of government expenditures for education, criminal justice, and emergency medical care are significant. California has estimated that the net cost to the state of providing government services to illegal immigrants approached $3 billion during a single fiscal year. The fact that states must bear the cost of federal failure turns illegal immigration, in effect, into one of the largest unfunded federal mandates."

"At Senator Jon Kyle's request, his organization calculated the cost to Arizona hospitals for treating illegal immigrants at 31 million dollars in just one year."

"And according to the Center for Immigration Studies, Welfare payments, including food stamps to Illegal immigrants in Arizona cost us $4,698,000 in 2001."

here is some. A simple google search on your part would find you many others. i think you're the one that's missing the issue... you're an evo owner... so you're viewed as a friend... but still... i think you're living out of the world of glorious punani

ultraflip
05-02-2006, 12:47 PM
http://socalevo.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11044/friend_zone.jpg

DsmDriver
05-02-2006, 12:58 PM
:outofcloset:

KRS333
05-02-2006, 01:27 PM
http://socalevo.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11044/friend_zone.jpg


LOL..

x[corwyn]
05-02-2006, 01:41 PM
xcronin,

You keep on making assertions w/o any shred of data to back it up. As I showed in my prior post, 83% of illegals pay taxes and 75% contribute to SS.

Americans like to scapegoat others for the ills of our society. We are stuck in a war in Iraq that have cost $277 billion to date, budget deficit keep piling up since Bush and Congress have slashed taxes and INCREASED spending. The debt is about $8.4 TRILLION and Bush and Congress have increased the debt by 47% since he took over. Gas prices are high as I have ever seen in the US. The US is preparing to bomb Iran and expand the Iraq war into a regoinal war.

AND WHAT ARE MOST AMERICANS UP IN ARMS ABOUT? Illegal immigrants that make up only 3% of the entire population. The Romans used a very good technique to distract the masses. It is called BREAD and CIRCUSES. They used to have gladiator fights in the colliseum and throw bread to the masses with the Emperror watching.

This is the same thing. A mere distraction from the real issues; political theatrics in an election year and most of you are falling for it.


Where ARE you getting your statistics? I know from actual work, and seeing with my own eyes. I will believe that far faster than any toilet tissue worthy rag you pulled up.

Also I like how you show up here and get a lawyer. So you came here illegally, got some cash (Probably shouldn't ask how you got it or the taxes you paid either, huh?) get a lawyer to white wash you through the system and you think you really have much of a say to all of us. I think your ass should be deported too. You are here probably on some legal technicality. Great. Congratulations. I think the rest of us here are just proud as daisies you did that. Basically you have just given me complete insight to your mentality and the mentality of all illegal immigrants. You went through and did something illegal, used the system and shiested your way through and think that its ok and we should all just roll over and say suuuuuure come on in, and while you are at it, please wipe my ass after you cum all over it.

Its like shitting in the local pond. Feels good and no real mess on your ass, and hey a bunch of fish do it too, right? Great until all your buddies and your families are doing it too, then guess what? You are now neck deep in shit. Thanks dude.

Go ahead and create your statistics. I can create statistics too. Better yet I can probably do a poll right now that thinks even though you skated off on a technicality, you should be deported?

EVOL EDO
05-02-2006, 03:40 PM
xcronin,

You keep on making assertions w/o any shred of data to back it up. As I showed in my prior post, 83% of illegals pay taxes and 75% contribute to SS.

Americans like to scapegoat others for the ills of our society. We are stuck in a war in Iraq that have cost $277 billion to date, budget deficit keep piling up since Bush and Congress have slashed taxes and INCREASED spending. The debt is about $8.4 TRILLION and Bush and Congress have increased the debt by 47% since he took over. Gas prices are high as I have ever seen in the US. The US is preparing to bomb Iran and expand the Iraq war into a regoinal war.

AND WHAT ARE MOST AMERICANS UP IN ARMS ABOUT? Illegal immigrants that make up only 3% of the entire population. The Romans used a very good technique to distract the masses. It is called BREAD and CIRCUSES. They used to have gladiator fights in the colliseum and throw bread to the masses with the Emperror watching.

This is the same thing. A mere distraction from the real issues; political theatrics in an election year and most of you are falling for it.


holy crap im tired of reading this crap. most statistics are made up and misleading. people can make up a statistic to prove anything doesnt mean the statistic is accurate. first that means they had to find a bunch of illegals then prove they paid taxes for everything they made. and im sure most illegals are off radar so there is no way they could have used them as part of your statistic. same thing with your other statistics if illegals make up 3% of the population and 18% of that 3% are on welfare who cars. the point is they shouldnt be here and they shouldnt protest saying they shouldnt be deported just because they made it here. if they were legal then who cares. the logic behind the protests are retarded. i believe the one of the problems with this country is criminals have too much power and rights. and then police waste more time finding useless issues to pick on then doing their job.

ps im not racist. i hate all retards equally. and yes i have mexicans in my family. im puerto rican and filipino. and i have had family members and friends deported and i say oh well that sucks but what can you do.

Absinthe
05-02-2006, 04:03 PM
Well well dint this thread take off and all. As a LEGAL imigrant to this country who like pays more in taxes a week that 10 illegals do in a year i say keep just enough to keep costs lower send 3/4ths of them back and institue a new immigration policy, a 40ft wall and dogs, enforce the laws we have on the books and allow people to emigrate safely and in a controled environment where we can mange the flow to best serve US means. If I hear about one more mexican leftist or socialist worker party that organizes rallies in the US I will have had it. May-Day are you fucking kidding me for a workers protest? that is a clossal slap in the face to the US and its history, it goes shows how ignorant and demanding these non-voting foriegn flag wavers are...

They knew the rules and risks when they came here now they are here they want to change them, tough shit, you dont like it? go home. When I no longer deam the US as the best option for me I'll leave too and go to another commonwealth country, legally because I can.

gen4k20a2
05-02-2006, 04:08 PM
+1...but fuck a 40 foot wall lets make it 100 foot...and 100 foot deep. Motion detector rocket launchers would be nice too!

alex_alex
05-02-2006, 04:21 PM
I'm just sayin that people spew all kinds of hatred and at the end of the day these illegals are attracted here b/c they can find jobs that pay them very well relative to their homelands. Who gives them those jobs? WE DO.

So in effect, we are creating our own "problem", if you view it as such.




Wow. Down-syndrome much? This is EXACTLY why we need to be cracking DOWN on illegal immigration. We would probably steal too if it wasn't a crime to. And thats inefficient behavior societally, SO THE GOVERNMENT STEPS IN AND IMPLEMENTS LAWS THAT PROHIBIT US FROM ACTING BADLY.




I'm just sayin that people spew all kinds of hatred and at the end of the day these illegals are attracted here b/c they can find jobs that pay them very well relative to their homelands. Who gives them those jobs? WE DO.

So in effect, we are creating our own "problem", if you view it as such.

And for the guy that says "cheap chinese products", just an fyi. I have friends in china right now that is getting "cheap clothes" manufactured for the American market. You might now them as Polo and Hugo Boss and the like.

Frankly I'm so drunk right now I'm amazed I can even coherently argue anything on the internet. Wow, I'm some kind of loser getting drunk and arguing on a Japanese car message board about illegal aliens in southern california.

God I love America!
we did create our own problem... but now the government finally has a plan to fix that problem... took em a while but finally is trying.... where it goes from here no one really knows.... but to condole em and support them.. i dont see the point makes people who came here legally and get turned down dozen of times seem like jokes... just because they want to make an honest living...


WHAT PLANET DO YOU PEOPLE LIVE ON?

Do you realize that you are expecting the GOVERNMENT to fix our problems?


Please define efficient societal behavior. I missed that lecture.


Um. Yes, i realize that i was expecting the government to fix our problems. I thought that was the whole point of having government. Inefficient social behavior occurs when it is more "efficient" for any given person to take a particular course of action over another, but when you aggregate each individual actor's taking that same action, the result is ultimately less beneficial than if each individual were to take the other course of action. The dilemma (prisoners dilemma, for those of you that may have attended a college or two) is that it would be irrational for individuals to act in the way that would most efficient for EVERYONE because the person that shirks his duty to do the same would benefit more when the other person gives in. This is when the government steps it.

alex_alex
05-02-2006, 04:28 PM
We have plenty of white Americans working at car washes out here in Vegas as well as in the fast food industry. My car is street legal in Vegas and I dont wear 20 dollar chinese made shoes. Cheap goods are exactly that, cheaply made goods that are not worth a shit. Walmart buys legally imported goods not black market crap, but Im sure some of it is shady. If youre going to argue with me at least make it worth my time because nothing you have said supports your argument.

I am sorry, but I do not believe that a car with those mods in the picture is legal even in Nevada. Please give us a list of your mods. Are you running the sotck Cat on your car? You know that tampering with the stock Cat is a FEDERAL offense and so that applies also to Nevada.

And by the way, 83% of illegals pay taxes at least according to the study cited by the CONSERVATIVE Orange Conuty Register.


You have some issues if you think modding a car or getting a speeding ticket, which are about on par with each other fine wise, are the same as sneaking into the US illegally. I guess we should compare putting a tb exhaust on a car to smuggling in 100 kilos of cocaine into the US. Murdering someone is illegal but we dont compare that to, lets say, having a non carb approved intake. Pull your head out of your ass. Im done with this thread.








everyone arguing that we would be paying more for services without Mexicans, please, for once, listen to some goddamn reason.

no one is disputing this. yes, mexicans work for cheap, and yes, everyone that hasn't committed a crime to be here would be paying more. but this is a very myopic perspective. LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER AREAS WHERE THESE CRIMINALS ARE A DRAIN ON OUR SOCIETY, AND NET THEM OUT.

All this is conjecture. Do you have data that proves that illegals are not paying taxes? And we are talking about several taxes here. If illegals own property, then they pay property tax. They have to buy food and clothing to survive, then they have to pay a sales tax.

That leaves the income tax. If an illegal has a fake social security number, and he/she is hired based on that number, then they will get taxes withdrawn from their paychecks. It is not clear what percentage of illegals pay taxes and what percentage does not.

If you have the data, then please provide it. Show me that illegals are a drain on the resoruces of this country.


I think the point is being missed completely. Since WHEN was it ok to JUSTIFY a CRIME based on pragmatism? Economically "efficient" criminal behavior is still criminal behavior, and out of sheer principle, deterrence, retribution, {insert policy for crive prevention here}, are appropriate for such behavior.

If we don't get passed the initial issue of the ILLEGALITY of some people being here, we shouldn't even get to the question of whether their being here is beneficial.

I saw some video from the protest on the news tonight, and people were holding signs that said "Humans arent illegal." Somehow, these people have equivocated that with "committing a crime is ok as long as everyone benefits overall." The same justification, "humans aren't illegal," can be used to justify letting people walk from just about any crime couldn't it?


You own a evo, what justification do you use when you break the speed limit? I suppose whatever justification you use could be used to let people walk away from crime...

On the other hand, you might not break the speed limit, in which case, owning an evo and a motorsports company might seem like a crying shame... Or maybe USC people just drive their cars slow...


First of all, note that your STEREOTYPING of evo drivers and speeding is the exact same sort of shit that Hispanics bitch about people stereotyping them for. Things like not having car insurance. Things like having way to many goddamn kids to be raising when you can't make a decent living. Things like breaking the law and complaining and demanding the right to break that law. These stereotypes are unfair, but it goes both ways mi amigo.

The second thing is that I'm not quite seeing how your analogy is even REMOTELY relevant. When i do get a speeding ticket, I'm not happy about it, but I don't PROTEST about how speeding should be legal, or given a "government, please look the other way when i'm doing this" sort of non-sense.

I'd suggest you stop opening your mouth and making completely inapposite arguments, and concentrate on, I dunno, figuring out how else to blame everyone but yourself for your problems.

Absinthe
05-02-2006, 04:33 PM
owned

Macky
05-02-2006, 04:34 PM
owned


http://socalevo.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10622/DEPORTHIM.jpg

Terry S
05-02-2006, 04:35 PM
The second thing is that I'm not quite seeing how your analogy is even REMOTELY relevant. When i do get a speeding ticket, I'm not happy about it, but I don't PROTEST about how speeding should be legal, or given a "government, please look the other way when i'm doing this" sort of non-sense.


+1

O0

Terry S

nj1266
05-02-2006, 04:48 PM
you paid for a lawyer when you dont really need to. unless you are a fugitive, have a criminal record and the like, whats the point? to expedite? come on. good things come to those who wait. nothing in all the documentation states that you need a lawyer to represent yourself just to become a citizen. it is open to all people who can pass the cut.

i paid all due fees and expenses and just that. for you to pay that and a lawyer tells me there is just something shady. im sorry but that kind of sitaution sounds fishy to me.

i just simply stated that it takes a lot to go thru due process. and not to be rude, but of the 10 people i knew that needed to hire a lawyer to help them thru immigration, its because all 10 of them have had problems in terms of missing papers, or other document-related issues. some also were overstaying illegally and were trying to find loopholes in the system to exploit to get legal resident status.

but again, stop deferring the subject into other illegal activites like speeding, other technicalities on cars and the like. changing the subject doesnt change the overall issue.

its not about that, its about the reform per se. what it ultimately affects down the line is beyond me and could frankly care less. what happens, happens. so what if basic costs go up? they are anyway and there is nothing proactively we can do to stem that.

please stay on topic.


The reason I hired a lawyer is to make things easy on me. I was here on a student visa and when it came time to switch I hired a lawyer and he took care of all the paper work. I did not have to chase some dumbass bureaucrat around and I had my lawyer by my side during the interview so that the dumb ass bureaucrat does not misbehave and act like a jerk.

The lawyer was worth every penny I paid him. I could have saved the money and did it your way, but why bother when money can make it easier for me.

So please do not jump to conclusions about my status before I became a citizen. I was legally in this country and then I became a citizen after I got my doctorate from USC.

nj1266
05-02-2006, 04:57 PM
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xcronin,

You keep on making assertions w/o any shred of data to back it up. As I showed in my prior post, 83% of illegals pay taxes and 75% contribute to SS.

Americans like to scapegoat others for the ills of our society. We are stuck in a war in Iraq that have cost $277 billion to date, budget deficit keep piling up since Bush and Congress have slashed taxes and INCREASED spending. The debt is about $8.4 TRILLION and Bush and Congress have increased the debt by 47% since he took over. Gas prices are high as I have ever seen in the US. The US is preparing to bomb Iran and expand the Iraq war into a regoinal war.

AND WHAT ARE MOST AMERICANS UP IN ARMS ABOUT? Illegal immigrants that make up only 3% of the entire population. The Romans used a very good technique to distract the masses. It is called BREAD and CIRCUSES. They used to have gladiator fights in the colliseum and throw bread to the masses with the Emperror watching.

This is the same thing. A mere distraction from the real issues; political theatrics in an election year and most of you are falling for it.


Where ARE you getting your statistics? I know from actual work, and seeing with my own eyes. I will believe that far faster than any toilet tissue worthy rag you pulled up.

Also I like how you show up here and get a lawyer. So you came here illegally, got some cash (Probably shouldn't ask how you got it or the taxes you paid either, huh?) get a lawyer to white wash you through the system and you think you really have much of a say to all of us. I think your ass should be deported too. You are here probably on some legal technicality. Great. Congratulations. I think the rest of us here are just proud as daisies you did that. Basically you have just given me complete insight to your mentality and the mentality of all illegal immigrants. You went through and did something illegal, used the system and shiested your way through and think that its ok and we should all just roll over and say suuuuuure come on in, and while you are at it, please wipe my ass after you cum all over it.

Its like shitting in the local pond. Feels good and no real mess on your ass, and hey a bunch of fish do it too, right? Great until all your buddies and your families are doing it too, then guess what? You are now neck deep in shit. Thanks dude.

Go ahead and create your statistics. I can create statistics too. Better yet I can probably do a poll right now that thinks even though you skated off on a technicality, you should be deported?

Dude,

Slow down before you have an anurism. Stop making assumptions about others. I was in the US on a student visa and after I finished my doctorate I switched to work visa and then became a citizen. I hired a lawyer to make it easy on me. Money is there to make life easy. I could have saved a couple of thousands, but why when a lawyer tkes care of all the paperwork. I do not like to deal with govt bureaucrats and their BS. That is what an immigration lawyer is for.

As for the dat on the public debt and deficits it comes from Congress and the Bureau of Public debt.

Here are the links.

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm

Can you see those numbers? Can you see how much in debt our govt is in?

http://www.cbo.gov/Index.cfm

All the budget data that you would like to see.

Absinthe
05-02-2006, 05:28 PM
Look give up you cant out argue alex your an acedemic he's a lawyer who do you think will win? plus you sidestepped the issue the OCR is far from credible, your picking only your most credible source now.

Points though you are the first legal immigrant who I have encountered who did things the right way that just wants to give a free pass to the people who jump the border. Given the pain in the ass and the cost to me I would rather have bought some gatorade and walked through the desert than deal with INS.

nj1266
05-02-2006, 05:37 PM
xcronin,

You keep on making assertions w/o any shred of data to back it up. As I showed in my prior post, 83% of illegals pay taxes and 75% contribute to SS.

Americans like to scapegoat others for the ills of our society. We are stuck in a war in Iraq that have cost $277 billion to date, budget deficit keep piling up since Bush and Congress have slashed taxes and INCREASED spending. The debt is about $8.4 TRILLION and Bush and Congress have increased the debt by 47% since he took over. Gas prices are high as I have ever seen in the US. The US is preparing to bomb Iran and expand the Iraq war into a regoinal war.

AND WHAT ARE MOST AMERICANS UP IN ARMS ABOUT? Illegal immigrants that make up only 3% of the entire population. The Romans used a very good technique to distract the masses. It is called BREAD and CIRCUSES. They used to have gladiator fights in the colliseum and throw bread to the masses with the Emperror watching.

This is the same thing. A mere distraction from the real issues; political theatrics in an election year and most of you are falling for it.


biggest... bull shxt ever...


Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002......"

"With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments..."

"...estimates that granting legal status to illegal immigrants would dramatically increase their cost, causing the net fiscal deficit to rise to nearly $29 billion because unskilled immigrants would have access to more government services while continuing to make modest tax payments."

"Even though illegal aliens make little use of welfare, from which they are generally barred, the costs of illegal immigration in terms of government expenditures for education, criminal justice, and emergency medical care are significant. California has estimated that the net cost to the state of providing government services to illegal immigrants approached $3 billion during a single fiscal year. The fact that states must bear the cost of federal failure turns illegal immigration, in effect, into one of the largest unfunded federal mandates."

"At Senator Jon Kyle's request, his organization calculated the cost to Arizona hospitals for treating illegal immigrants at 31 million dollars in just one year."

"And according to the Center for Immigration Studies, Welfare payments, including food stamps to Illegal immigrants in Arizona cost us $4,698,000 in 2001."

here is some. A simple google search on your part would find you many others. i think you're the one that's missing the issue... you're an evo owner... so you're viewed as a friend... but still... i think you're living out of the world of glorious punani

A good debater provides a link to the source where he got the information from. You do not do that. Why?

Is it because the info came from CENTER FOR IMMIGRATION STUDIES. You do know that this so-called center is against immigration. It is like me going to the NRA and getting data to support my pro-gun stand. Or going to planned parenthood and citing data that favors abortion.

Please present data from a less obviously biased source.

nj1266
05-02-2006, 05:47 PM
Look give up you cant out argue alex your an acedemic he's a lawyer who do you think will win? plus you sidestepped the issue the OCR is far from credible, your picking only your most credible source now.

Points though you are the first legal immigrant who I have encountered who did things the right way that just wants to give a free pass to the people who jump the border. Given the pain in the ass and the cost to me I would rather have bought some gatorade and walked through the desert than deal with INS.

I do not know what you mean by side stepping the OCR? I simply cited the article from OCR to show that 83% of illgals pay taxes according the Harvard academic research and 75% pay SS according to the federal govt.

IMO, the illegal immigrants are needed for SoCal to function. W/O them everything will be more expensive. Unemployment is already at an all time low of 4.8%. Remove the illegals from the workforce and their will be more demand for labor and less supply causing an inflationary cycle. Given that commodity prices are going up and oil prices are at an all time high, the last thing that the US economy needs is a labor shortage.

I do not give a crap about the legality issue. As I said before, we commit many illegal acts every day. Today I did a 3rd gear pull on the on ramp to work. I hit 85 mph on the on ramp. That was illegal. I also have a suction cup Innovate holder that is illegaly placed on the windshield. I can go on and on and on. I have a hi flo cat that is illegal.

alex_alex
05-02-2006, 06:18 PM
Look give up you cant out argue alex your an acedemic he's a lawyer who do you think will win? plus you sidestepped the issue the OCR is far from credible, your picking only your most credible source now.

Points though you are the first legal immigrant who I have encountered who did things the right way that just wants to give a free pass to the people who jump the border. Given the pain in the ass and the cost to me I would rather have bought some gatorade and walked through the desert than deal with INS.

I do not know what you mean by side stepping the OCR? I simply cited the article from OCR to show that 83% of illgals pay taxes according the Harvard academic research and 75% pay SS according to the federal govt.

IMO, the illegal immigrants are needed for SoCal to function. W/O them everything will be more expensive. Unemployment is already at an all time low of 4.8%. Remove the illegals from the workforce and their will be more demand for labor and less supply causing an inflationary cycle. Given that commodity prices are going up and oil prices are at an all time high, the last thing that the US economy needs is a labor shortage.

I do not give a crap about the legality issue. As I said before, we commit many illegal acts every day. Today I did a 3rd gear pull on the on ramp to work. I hit 85 mph on the on ramp. That was illegal. I also have a suction cup Innovate holder that is illegaly placed on the windshield. I can go on and on and on. I have a hi flo cat that is illegal.


We understand that you don't give a crap about the legality issue. Nor did anyone participating in that protest. But there is a DIFFERENCE between committing illegal acts, and demanding immunity from committing those acts. This shouldn't be a hard distinction to understand.

The Tax issue is one which I know relatively little about without having done any other background research on the matter, but also note that there is a difference between filing a tax return and paying the appropriate amount of taxes. There is a good amount of evidence that many of these illegal aliens (and non-illegal aliens alike, to be sure) EVADE much of their tax liability, whether in the form of using and collecting cash for their labor and expenses, or claiming additional deductions that have no basis in reality.

During the last tax reform, where the IRS beefed up its dependant deductions section by requiring a SS number on the return, a whopping 7 million dependants / children went missing! Take a wild guess as to why.

x[corwyn]
05-02-2006, 08:35 PM
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=6019&sequence=0


So about 26.2 percent of the population or 8.9million people are immigrants in California with about 7 million estimated illegal immigrants added to that here in 2000. So 6 years later that number is probably a lot larger as well. So we are looking at about 35% of the population being immigrants, legal or otherwise. What was interesting that was in this report was stated that asian immigrants usually have degrees and skillsets when arriving here and are able to contribute, whereas the population from mexico and central america does not have a skillset and represents a drain. Over 75% of the LEGAL immigrants from central america have a high school degree or not even that much. Illegal immigrants can be assumed to have even less of an education.

Being Califonia we have by far and away the largest share of immigrants here legal or otherwise, and by a fair margin. Taking an employment status, the largest percentage of unemployed is at almost 10% of the latin population. Europeans that immigrated are at less than 5% and asians at about 6%.

So the hispanics that ARE employed, the majority make about $1 to $19,999 per year. Basically the majority of that population doesn't really pay all that much in taxes.


For those of you bozos that were saying the government should have done something before now, read this.... http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=4761&sequence=0

http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=4842&sequence=0

Those were written in 1994 and 1995. Hell I remember immigrant reform discussions going on and the ensuing whining. There is all the answers in black and white and from your own source.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/53xx/doc5302/doc29.pdf

There is a document written 1977 about welfare reform and the huge expenditure it is in the state and federal budget. 30 years ago.


So after about an hour or so of reading I have learned we have 2 drains in our system Old People and Populations of people uninsured and way below the poverty line. In california we get hit particularly hard because of the influx from Mexico. We are by far and away the largest immigration state, legal or otherwise. Arizona and New Mexico illegals , well lets just say those states people get to carry unconcealed guns around.

A few years ago I was pretty much in the camp of we should do everything we can to help those poor immigrants. Nowadays, not so much. This last week more so than anything else, because of the demanding attitude of the hispanic population, and the research I have done shows so much more than I thought before.

The bottom line is... We do not need illegal immigrants. We should not have to be defending why we will not have them here. Anyone that thinks differently is not thinking through the long term issue and resolving that issue.

Shortee
05-02-2006, 08:48 PM
do you think becoming a citizen is really THAT easy? you got to be kidding me! like you said you came here on a student visa..i think thats how it was easy for YOU. but for the majority of people they have to fill out forms after forms after forms. [[dont forget about all the FEES they had to pay]] how should i know? cause my family went through it. basically all of my family went through the same process. i know tons of people that did the same too. [[we still have family members waiting to become citizens..and we filed papers years ago]]

they have to file forms and WAIT for the US to review it and if they approve then the people that want to become citizens have to go to an interview type thing. then they have to WAIT some more. most of that time its about 5 years. thats when they finally GET to the us. but that doesnt mean they become a citizen. they still have to wait months even years to get another interview to see if they can become citizens. in that process they have to learn the language, learn our rules and customs; basically learn about US just so they can become LEGAL. [[and if they dont..guess what they FAIL and they have to wait MONTHS until they get another chance to prove themselves]]

do you really think its fair that people who go through all that if the ILLEGAL immigrants can just jump a boarder and ask to be grant citizenship? i'm postive that no one on this forum said that they dont want immigrants here, they just dont want the illegal. so why cant the illegals follow the process like everyone else and do what they go to do to become legal?

Cr0mster
05-02-2006, 09:20 PM
The one thing that is pissing me off the most is watching these people wave their Mexican flags. If it is so fucking good in your corupt country, why the hell do you want to be a citizen here in the USA? Make up your fucking minds and stop this bullshit flag waving for a country that you want to flee. If they really wanted to be here the only flag they would be waving would have 50 stars and stripes.

Shortee
05-02-2006, 09:29 PM
The one thing that is pissing me off the most is watching these people wave their Mexican flags. If it is so fucking good in your corupt country, why the hell do you want to be a citizen here in the USA? Make up your fucking minds and stop this bullshit flag waving for a country that you want to flee. If they really wanted to be here the only flag they would be waving would have 50 stars and stripes.


+1

j_nizzle
05-02-2006, 11:25 PM
oh shit! you tell em vivian! speak your mind girl....

oneslwevo
05-03-2006, 12:02 AM
Damm Shame all these fools that bitch against the may1st cuz they dont know how it is cuz they have daddy and mommy to buy them shit I work for my shit my pops came as a immigrant and now is a citizen just as he worked and showed us the damm meaning of work its funny how i hear kids from o.c , chino and ect oh my dad wont buy me what i want ... get a job ... immigrants work hard they do the shit u cant do ... they deserve their rights ... cuz if yo ass was on their shoes you would see it their way ....so dont hate appreciate...peace----

oneslwevo
05-03-2006, 12:08 AM
damm haters ... Kisi mi poki..

oneslwevo
05-03-2006, 12:10 AM
Cuz da Mexican Flag looks better anytime of da week...

alex_alex
05-03-2006, 12:19 AM
Cuz da Mexican Flag looks better anytime of da week...


great! then worship it along with your great, successful country, back in that country. fuck.

oneslwevo
05-03-2006, 12:23 AM
UFA

oneslwevo
05-03-2006, 12:26 AM
hating on what you dont know shit about haha....

oneslwevo
05-03-2006, 12:27 AM
i can tell there arent any mexican't evo owners here ...

alex_alex
05-03-2006, 12:29 AM
Damm Shame all these fools that bitch against the may1st cuz they dont know how it is cuz they have daddy and mommy to buy them shit I work for my shit my pops came as a immigrant and now is a citizen just as he worked and showed us the damm meaning of work its funny how i hear kids from o.c , chino and ect oh my dad wont buy me what i want ... get a job ... immigrants work hard they do the shit u cant do ... they deserve their rights ... cuz if yo ass was on their shoes you would see it their way ....so dont hate appreciate...peace----


this is what you call an ad hominem argument. paraphrased: its what you argue when you run out of logic. instead, you make jabs at the people you are arguing against.

the people who's parents can buy them stuff, take a guess why: ITS CAUSE THEIR PARENTS WORKED HARD TOO. Is it really that hard to understand? Its really no wonder the variance in the level of scholastic aptitude between ethnicities can be so high. Its not society keeping them down.

The only difference is these kids who seem to have everything provided for them (not that its anything to be proud of), their parents worked HARD and SMART. Not just HARD. Guess where working hard gets you. It gets you enough to scrape on by, but way too little to support a family of 5 or 6 little juniors.

And to be sure, many of these immigrants do work no one else would CHOOSE to ever do, not work no one else COULD do. You better get that straight, cause the states without Mexicans are getting along just fine and dandy. It all comes down to the choices people make. Half of my high school (probably more than half) went STRAIGHT to work out of school. Probably a bad decision, given how much access we are given to student loans, and how much a college education will increase your human capital over time. But wait, you say, its thats UNFAIR because they won't give out these loans to undocumented criminals. Well, that, along with the consequence of it (i.e. a lifetime of working hard but not smart), is a choice YOU make.

There are plenty of people on this board whose families came over legitimately. There are plenty more who had to wait in the queue for years to be able to emigrate here legally. Now you're telling me the jackasses that cut in line DESERVE to be here because they work hard? I'd say the people who AREN'T CHEATING THEIR WAY IN HERE are and will work harder. And smarter.

chuckdashi
05-03-2006, 12:30 AM
i can tell there arent any mexican't evo owners here ...
ey ou finally found something to raise your thread count ... loser...

alex_alex
05-03-2006, 12:31 AM
hating on what you dont know shit about haha....


enlighten me

oneslwevo
05-03-2006, 12:48 AM
i understand what ur saying its koo i aint throwing jabs at no body it just my opinion aight ... i just got a bit up set at some of the shit that was posted up ... sorry if i offended anyone...---peace--

Shortee
05-03-2006, 06:15 AM
Damm Shame all these fools that bitch against the may1st cuz they dont know how it is cuz they have daddy and mommy to buy them shit I work for my shit my pops came as a immigrant and now is a citizen just as he worked and showed us the damm meaning of work its funny how i hear kids from o.c , chino and ect oh my dad wont buy me what i want ... get a job ... immigrants work hard they do the shit u cant do ... they deserve their rights ... cuz if yo ass was on their shoes you would see it their way ....so dont hate appreciate...peace----


no we didnt 'bitch about my 1st cause we dont know how it is' we're bitching because we DO know how. cause my family are immigrants. shoot IM an immigrant. my family isnt the richest but we're not the poorest either. and yeah my parents DO work hard. but guess what so am i. i'm busting my butt in school right now and doing everything i can to make sure that the rest of my life is good. we're not saying immigrants shouldnt have rights--where was that in the thread? we're saying that ILLEGAL immigrants shouldnt be able to have the same rights as LEGAL ones. why? cause we DID work hard just to get here! and all the legal immigrants work hard just so they can STAY here. so 'my ass is in their shoes' thank you very much

j_nizzle
05-03-2006, 07:09 AM
hating on what you dont know shit about haha....


enlighten me


+1. wtf man....we hate on the illegals that dont choose to work hard to become citizens, the ones that bleed and deplete the system on our(the citizen's) benefits...whatever you choose the believe it's that cut and dry. illegals that dont want/choose to try become legal can get the fuck out and wave the mexican flag in mexico, the (communist)vietnamese flag in vietnam, the german flag in germany, etc...there are plenty of mexican evo owners, but guess what? the vast majority of them are legal and/or trying to become legal. if they're not, well those are the people we're, or at least im hating on. fkn moron...

Macky
05-03-2006, 08:32 AM
i understand what ur saying its koo i aint throwing jabs at no body it just my opinion aight ... i just got a bit up set at some of the shit that was posted up ... sorry if i offended anyone...---peace--



THIS IS AN UNMODERATED FORUM. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT SOMEONE HAS TO SAY, TOO F**KING BAD, BOO-HOO! DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT A THREAD OR POSTER IN HERE BECAUSE WE WILL IGNORE YOU!

please learn to read before you post. i think you need a filter put between your brain and your mouth.

gen4k20a2
05-03-2006, 08:58 AM
I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements. I know you can help with this.

I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws.

So, would you mind telling your President Vicente Fox, that I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.
3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.
9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort to learn local traffic laws.
10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police officers speak English.
11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and dont enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because you expect all these things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

Thank you so much for your kind help.










i thought id stir the pot



oneslwevo youre an IDIOT...youre on a japanese car website....non immigrants are the minority!!

Dmoney
05-03-2006, 09:01 AM
i understand what ur saying its koo i aint throwing jabs at no body it just my opinion aight ... i just got a bit up set at some of the shit that was posted up ... sorry if i offended anyone...---peace--


dude get the fuck out of here. your second grade education it doesnt contribute to this debate at all. and for the most part...we are arguing shit we dont know about? um if you read...which i would expect from someone with a second grade education or newb status trying to sell something...you will see articles posted, personal experience, statistics, reason, and judgment. Dont come in here with one line sentences "Da Mexican Flag looks betta any day of da week" "dere are no mexicans dat own da evos" dude you are retarded. *

and for the record. If we were to wave the american flag in mexico, cuba, russia, china, we would probably get our ass beat or killed. Why? because its considered offenseive to other countries, and is rude...its not racist....its reality....

You dont walk into another mans house and fuck his wife...then expect a cup of tea afterwards...

Macky
05-03-2006, 09:10 AM
Cuz da Mexican Flag looks better anytime of da week...


http://www.saveourguns.com/speakenglish.jpg

emperor_gp
05-03-2006, 09:11 AM
oneslwevo,

You're making a big mistake in going in your direction right now. *There are a lot of members on this board that are immigrants, their parents were immigrants or came here to flee a country and make a better life for themselves. *My family is included in that. *Both my parents came here illegally over 20 years ago but made steps in the right direction towards citizenship. *Now both my parents are American citizens, I myself served a large chunk of my life in the United States Navy and I am a naturalized citizen.

I am not here to bash but take these things into consideration:

- why wave the flag of the country that you have left for a better life? *Although its important to keep your cultural identity, this is still the United States. *Be proud of the country that is allowing you to make better pay, live in better conditions and allows you to be FREE.

- why insist that your community speak your native tongue? *I learned English, its not hard. *Hello, we are in the US. *"When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

Most immigrants I know have assimilated perfectly and completely into American society. *I think the rest should do the same, shut up and be happy to be here.

Do you think you'd be able to make enough to buy an Evo where you came from?

my.02 cents

R3dline
05-03-2006, 09:16 AM
No illegals no burritos, think about it America!

EVOL EDO
05-03-2006, 11:21 AM
No illegals no burritos, think about it America!


then that means less diarrhea. then pepto and imodium ad will lose money! now i see how them not being here will affect the economy :2funny: :2funny:

x[corwyn]
05-03-2006, 11:54 AM
No illegals no burritos, think about it America!


then that means less diarrhea. then pepto and imodium ad will lose money! now i see how them not being here will affect the economy :2funny: :2funny:


Shit.... I can get some steak, spices, some flour tortillas, cheese, sour cream, avocado, and get some Pace Picante sauce and make some wicked good burritos. And I'm whiter than the flour tortillas.

Miss Evo8
05-03-2006, 02:05 PM
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No illegals no burritos, think about it America!


then that means less diarrhea.* then pepto and imodium ad will lose money!* now i see how them not being here will affect the economy* :2funny: :2funny:


Shit.... I can get some steak, spices, some flour tortillas, cheese, sour cream, avocado, and get some Pace Picante sauce and make some wicked good burritos. And I'm whiter than the flour tortillas.


Isn't Pace Picante sauce made in New York City........ :-o

x[corwyn]
05-03-2006, 02:13 PM
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No illegals no burritos, think about it America!


then that means less diarrhea. then pepto and imodium ad will lose money! now i see how them not being here will affect the economy :2funny: :2funny:


Shit.... I can get some steak, spices, some flour tortillas, cheese, sour cream, avocado, and get some Pace Picante sauce and make some wicked good burritos. And I'm whiter than the flour tortillas.


Isn't Pace Picante sauce made in New York City........ :-o


Yup. LOLOLOL But who cares? Its still good food

gen4k20a2
05-03-2006, 02:22 PM
NEW YORK CITY!!!!!????!!!!

j_nizzle
05-03-2006, 03:04 PM
NEW YORK CITY!!!!!????!!!!


let's get done with the debate in california first!!!

EVOL EDO
05-03-2006, 03:06 PM
]




No illegals no burritos, think about it America!


then that means less diarrhea. then pepto and imodium ad will lose money! now i see how them not being here will affect the economy :2funny: :2funny:


Shit.... I can get some steak, spices, some flour tortillas, cheese, sour cream, avocado, and get some Pace Picante sauce and make some wicked good burritos. And I'm whiter than the flour tortillas.


Isn't Pace Picante sauce made in New York City........ :-o


i thought pace was the one made in texas. where they also have problems with mexicans jumpin the border

Terry S
05-03-2006, 03:24 PM
i thought pace was the one made in texas. where they also have problems with mexicans jumpin the border


Texas was the first state to officially have Hispanics as the population majority.

Terry S

Miss Evo8
05-03-2006, 03:25 PM
]




No illegals no burritos, think about it America!


then that means less diarrhea.* then pepto and imodium ad will lose money!* now i see how them not being here will affect the economy* :2funny: :2funny:


Shit.... I can get some steak, spices, some flour tortillas, cheese, sour cream, avocado, and get some Pace Picante sauce and make some wicked good burritos. And I'm whiter than the flour tortillas.


Isn't Pace Picante sauce made in New York City........ :-o


i thought pace was the one made in texas.* where they also have problems with mexicans jumpin the border


I think all "border" states have that problem... :buck2:

Cr0mster
05-03-2006, 05:14 PM
oneslwevo,

You're making a big mistake in going in your direction right now. There are a lot of members on this board that are immigrants, their parents were immigrants or came here to flee a country and make a better life for themselves. My family is included in that. Both my parents came here illegally over 20 years ago but made steps in the right direction towards citizenship. Now both my parents are American citizens, I myself served a large chunk of my life in the United States Navy and I am a naturalized citizen.

I am not here to bash but take these things into consideration:

- why wave the flag of the country that you have left for a better life? Although its important to keep your cultural identity, this is still the United States. Be proud of the country that is allowing you to make better pay, live in better conditions and allows you to be FREE.

- why insist that your community speak your native tongue? I learned English, its not hard. Hello, we are in the US. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

Most immigrants I know have assimilated perfectly and completely into American society. I think the rest should do the same, shut up and be happy to be here.

Do you think you'd be able to make enough to buy an Evo where you came from?

my.02 cents


This sums it all up. Good post man

oneslwevo
05-03-2006, 05:29 PM
Hey yo what's up well yeah I know I said some shit my respects to who ever I offended I know that yes the best way is to do things the right way all da paper work legit I know what ur saying about the flag and yup I have da red white and blue on my porch and no I don't have a second grade education uhmm I can afford an evo so I must be doing something right... But yeah back to the point I really can't say I'm in their shoes cuz I have a really good job in millitary aircraft hydraulic systems ... And yes I know some of our parents came here as illegal immigrants and did everything they could to become either residents or citiezens like my parents all I'm saying yes it is fucked up they don't do things the right way but some can't afford it and of course some of them turn out to be criminals and well drunks and bum's and shit like that but lot's of them all they want is to work and provide for their family's and also I know how lots of them are low income households and depend on finacial help but hey lots of them are honest people and even though I'm a newbie here sorry if I said some stupid comments ... I was born here in the greatest country USA... All I'm saying is if they do things the right way that's good but for the unlucky that go through deserts , border jumping, all that shit... There are lots of honest people looking for a better life .. They have to start somewere... Yo thnx for bashing on my stupid comments --- stay up fellow evo owners lates...

Chris in SD
05-03-2006, 06:40 PM
Wow - after reading that, I think I should attend an English grammar class to reset my brain... Punctuation and spelling, anyone?

Macky
05-03-2006, 06:47 PM
Wow - after reading that, I think I should attend an English grammar class to reset my brain... Punctuation and spelling, anyone?


lemme guess, they have that in second grade?

Shortee
05-03-2006, 07:01 PM
Hey yo what's up well yeah I know I said some shit my respects to who ever I offended I know that yes the best way is to do things the right way all da paper work legit I know what ur saying about the flag and yup I have da red white and blue on my porch and no I don't have a second grade education uhmm I can afford an evo so I must be doing something right... But yeah back to the point I really can't say I'm in their shoes cuz I have a really good job in millitary aircraft hydraulic systems ... And yes I know some of our parents came here as illegal immigrants and did everything they could to become either residents or citiezens like my parents all I'm saying yes it is fucked up they don't do things the right way but some can't afford it and of course some of them turn out to be criminals and well drunks and bum's and shit like that but lot's of them all they want is to work and provide for their family's and also I know how lots of them are low income households and depend on finacial help but hey lots of them are honest people and even though I'm a newbie here sorry if I said some stupid comments ... I was born here in the greatest country USA... All I'm saying is if they do things the right way that's good but for the unlucky that go through deserts , border jumping, all that shit... There are lots of honest people looking for a better life .. They have to start somewere... Yo thnx for bashing on my stupid comments --- stay up fellow evo owners lates...


wow that was the longest run on sentences ever! anywho..we're not bashing..we're just stating the obvious. yesh i know there are plenty of honest people looking for a better life. [[again i know this from personal experience]] and like YOU said they have to start somewhere. why not in LINE like everyone else? why not go get the papers works that they'd need to become LEGAL?

Chris in SD
05-03-2006, 07:21 PM
Wow - after reading that, I think I should attend an English grammar class to reset my brain... Punctuation and spelling, anyone?


lemme guess, they have that in second grade?


I personally like the logic about no education but doing something right to be able to afford an Evo... Maybe dealing drugs? Doesn't require an education and would more than pay for an Evo. Perhaps prostitution? Same story... but he MUST be doing something right. :buck2:

oneslwevo
05-03-2006, 07:31 PM
Yeah I guess I am doing something right. A good Honest Job, none of that illegal Shit Lates... Uhmm Second Grade haha Funny ... Oi Kisi Mi Poki.. Peace...

Macky
05-03-2006, 07:32 PM
the only thing thats funny is that you are complaining and getting butthurt in a forum where it says you're SOL if you get butthurt.

R3dline
05-03-2006, 07:39 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/R3DLINE714/thread%20bombs/upscopy2fa3es.jpg

alex_alex
05-03-2006, 07:47 PM
... and no I don't have a second grade education uhmm I can afford an evo so I must be doing something right...


. . . or just budgeting your money really poorly. Which is what keeps poor people poor.

Seriously . . . you embarass yourself everytime you post on here. I understand that it's society's fault that you can't seem to spell or use proper grammar or punctuation, and I understand that it's because school exams and standardized tests are racist, and so on and so forth, but please try your best.

Miss Evo8
05-03-2006, 07:48 PM
maybe this will help...

oneslwevo
05-03-2006, 09:03 PM
Haha.. Nope just bored. I don't trip .. Lol. Hey I have a question, who knows how to setup a Apexi Boost Controller? Thnx Lates...

alex_alex
05-03-2006, 09:11 PM
how do you say "tool" in spanish?

Macky
05-03-2006, 09:13 PM
how do you say "tool" in spanish?


herramienta

http://www.spanishdict.com/ O0

oneslwevo
05-03-2006, 09:27 PM
Uhmm yeah u got it eres Listo como Le haces I yo pensaba que no sabian, que bueno. Lol son vien culeros, but still having fun with the stuff all of you write back...

oneslwevo
05-03-2006, 09:29 PM
Opps missed spelled .. "Vien" Bien..

oneslwevo
05-03-2006, 09:37 PM
Pues me tengo que ir a comer una carne asada, con una Corona... Lates... Have Fun Don't Hurt you're self thinking so hard .. This is funny ...bye.

alex_alex
05-03-2006, 10:11 PM
Pues me tengo que ir a comer una carne asada, con una Corona... Lates... Have Fun Don't Hurt you're self thinking so hard .. This is funny ...bye.


once you're done associating yourself with the things you complain about being stereotyped with, you might consider coming back and addressing any of the substantive points that have been posted.

c'mon now, is it REALLY that hard?

Macky
05-03-2006, 11:03 PM
reading his posts is like watching a goat give birth to a turkey.


its painful to read and too stupid to comprehend.

Macky
05-03-2006, 11:13 PM
愚かな馬鹿である! 来たところでにからあなたのろばを取り戻しなさい!

Macky
05-03-2006, 11:16 PM
1 人の貧しい子供であるのであなたのためにたわごとのために読まれて傾く傾斜した読まれた日本語、井戸吸えば オハイオ州及び

Shortee
05-03-2006, 11:16 PM
Pues me tengo que ir a comer una carne asada, con una Corona... Lates... Have Fun Don't Hurt you're self thinking so hard .. This is funny ...bye.


why are you talking about eating beef and drinking beer in a political thread? and about installing something for your car? there's another threads for that.

blah on newbies