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ultraflip
06-23-2006, 09:09 AM
MYTH 1: The US was founded on Christian principles.

TRUTH:

This is incorrect.
The Constitution never once mentions a deity, because the Founding Fathers wanted to keep their new country "religion-neutral." Our Founding Fathers were an eclectic collection of Atheists, Deists, Christians, Freemasons and Agnostics.

George Washington, the Father of our country, and John Adams (Second President of the USA) CLEARLY stated in the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli: "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion.”

G.W. rarely attended church and instead followed a popular 18th century philosophy called Deism—a Star Wars-esque philosophy that believed in a cosmic energy or big-ass universal "Force." The dictionary says that Deism is "a system of thought advocating natural religion based on human reason rather than revelation," that had nothing to do with Christian principles.

James Madison, original mastermind of our Constitution, was an Atheist to the core who loved skewering Christianity. In 1785 he wrote, "What have been [Christianity’s] fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”

Thomas Jefferson, who sat down and authored The Declaration of Independence, rarely missed an opportunity to laugh at Christianity. In a letter to John Adams in 1823, he wrote: "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus…will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."

More ammo: In 1814, Tommy J. wrote about the Bible's Old and New Testaments, "The whole history of these books is so defective and doubtful -- evidence that parts have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds.”

In fact, it was President Jefferson himself who first wrote (to a Baptist church group in 1802), "The First Amendment has erected a wall of separation between Church and State." Therefore, when Jefferson talked about “Nature’s God,” the “Creator” and “divine Providence ” in the Declaration that he wrote, he was being a hippie and referring to a general cosmic energy-- not the Christian God.

America is not a Christian nation. Period. Our Constitution derived from the post-Christian Enlightenment values of reason and truth...never from the paranoid yammerings of that otherwise compassionate cult leader who fucking died in the Middle Eastern desert 3000 years ago.


MYTH 2: US Conservatives tend to be patriotic, ethical Americans; liberals tend to hate America and are immoral.

TRUTH:

Liberals aren't the traitors to America. In fact, conservatives who insist on sending American troops into the Iraqi slaughterhouse to watch some blood-n'-guts "towelhead" ass-kickin' are the traitors. Most of them could care less about our troops, no more than Mao or Stalin cared about the safety of their own soldiers. In the neocons' view, these young boys and girls are expendable test dummies. They're dying for virtually nothing, so that the hicks in the Bush Admin can make good on their campaign promises to their buddies from the petroleum and infrastructure-rebuilding industries. By revving up the Arab threat, these MFs can scream "national security" and "freedom" as smokescreens, while getting their hands on a diminishing resource: Middle Eastern fossil fuels, which power everything from your lightbulbs and computer that you leave on all night, to your stupid gas-guzzler pickup truck.

Pro-war conservatives are the traitors to America. With only 29% of the public approving of Bush's policies now, it took a full 5 years for America to finally wake up in bed next to this disgusting fact.

Do liberals hate America? No, in fact they care so much about the USA that they fight so aggressively to make it better. They're not anti-American; they're just anti-stupidity. Do liberals hate American policies? Sometimes, but only the self-destructive ones that threaten human rights, liberty, democracy, justice, inquiry, excellence and reason-- the values that our country was founded upon.

As for conservative moral superiority? Frauds. Think of the child-molesting priests, money-scamming televangelist preachers, Jack Abramoff's friends in the Bush Admin, gay-hating Jesus lovers, the Christians who beat up the professor who opposed intelligent design, human rights violators like Lynndie England and her Abu Ghraib hick officer pals, Tommy "Scandal-icious" Delay, Scooter "Leaky" Libby, the entire K Street Project meant to hire only Republicans, FEMA's Michael "Yer doin' a heckuva job" Brownie, and so on.

Oh and by the way, conservative Red states have a divorce rate 27% higher than the liberal Blue states, the per capita rate of violent crime in Red states is 49 per 100,000 higher than in Blue states, the top 5 states with the highest rates of alcohol abuse are Red states, and the per capita rate of gonorrhea in Red states was 41 per 100,000 higher than in the Blue states. Time to unshelf the antibiotics for our "ethical," "God-fearing" conservative friends with their "traditional family values."


MYTH 3. The US has a liberal media.

TRUTH:

This is a paranoid Republican myth.
Reality check: the US media is a mix of liberal, centrist and conservative voices. Also, the US media is largely owned by 10 corporations who frequently push pro-conservative agendas to the American public. Evidence:

1. Even Republican Pat Buchanan confessed, "For heaven sakes, we kid about the liberal media, but every Republican on earth does that." Neo-conservative pundit Bill Kristol also said, "I admit it: the liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures."

2. A 2005 study in the Quarterly Journal of Economics found that "coverage by public television and radio is conservative compared to the rest of the mainstream media." Why? Partly because only four major corporate networks control American TV news-- up to 75% of the audience share. The "Big 10" media conglomerates who control the bulk of the entire US media are: AOL Time Warner, Disney, General Electric, News Corporation, Viacom, Vivendi, Sony, Bertelsmann, AT&T and Liberty Media. Yes, we have National Public Radio, but compare its public reach to that of Canada's CBC and the United Kingdom's BBC.

3. Eighty percent of all US newspapers are owned by corporate chains.

4. Liberals are virtually non-existent on talk radio stations nationwide. Rush and Dr. Laura, eat your hearts out.

5. Conservatives are very well accomodated for across FOX News, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Times, the New York Post, the American Spectator, the Weekly Standard, the Drudge Report, the National Review, etc. Even so-called "bastions of liberalism," e.g. the NY Times, MSNBC, WashPost and NPR make a concerted effort to be "fair and balanced" by bringing in right-wing views like those of David Brooks, Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson, Charles Krauthammer and Cokie Roberts to have their say in these forums, respectively. This is in stark contrast to FOX News' claims to unbiased objectivity, which were easily demolished by Robert Greenwald in 2004.

6. Contrary to what some paranoid Republicans claim, most journalists are centrists, not liberals. A representative sample of 141 US journalists and bureau chiefs were asked in 1998, "On social issues, how would you characterize your political orientation?" Answers: Left 30%, Center 57%, Right 9%, Other 5% . Next question, same sample: "On economic issues, how would you characterize your political orientation? " Answers: Left 11%, Center 64%, Right 19%, Other 5%. Also, look at the total number of think tank citations in major newspapers, radio and TV transcripts: Conservative TTs: 7792, Centrist TTs: 6361, Liberal TTs: 1152.

7. Eric Alterman summarizes a 1999 research study from the academic journal Communications Research: "Four scholars examined the use of the 'liberal media' argument and discovered a fourfold increase in the number of Americans telling pollsters that they discerned a liberal bias in their news. But a review of the media's actual ideological content, collected and coded over a twelve-year period, offered no corroboration whatever for this view."


MYTH 4. The US doesn’t need improvement compared to other countries; it is the greatest country in the world.

TRUTH:
Wrong again. I'll only cite the statistics here.

USA Ranking on Adult Literacy Scale: #9
(#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- OECD

USA Ranking on Healthcare Quality Index: #37
(#1 France and #2 Italy)- World Health Organization 2003

USA Ranking of Student Reading Ability: #12
(#1 Finland and #2 South Korea)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking of Student Problem Solving Ability: #26
(#1 South Korea and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking on Student Mathematics Ability: # 24
(#1 Hong Kong and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking of Student Science Ability: #19
(#1 Finland and #2 Japan)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking on Women's Rights Scale: #17
(#1 Sweden and #2 Norway)- World Economic Forum Report

USA Position on Timeline of Gay Rights Progress: # 6 (1997)
(#1 Sweden 1987 and #2 Norway 1993)- Vexen

USA Ranking on Life Expectancy: #29
(#1 Japan and #2 Hong Kong)- UN Human Development Report 2005

USA Ranking on Journalistic Press Freedom Index: #32
(#1 Finland, Iceland, Norway and the Netherlands tied)- Reporters Without Borders 2005

USA Ranking on Political Corruption Index: #17
(#1 Iceland and #2 Finland)- Transparency International 2005

USA Ranking on Quality of Life Survey: #13
(#1 Ireland and #2 Switzerland)- The Economist Magazine ...Wikipedia "Celtic Tiger" if you still have your doubts.

USA Ranking on Environmental Sustainability Index: #45
(#1 Finland and #2 Norway)- Yale University ESI 2005

USA Ranking on Overall Currency Strength: #3 (US Dollar)
(#1 UK pound sterling and #2 European Union euro)- FTSE 2006....the dollar is now a liability, so many banks worldwide have planned to switch to euro

USA Ranking on Infant Mortality Rate: #32
(#1 Sweden and #2 Finland)- Save the Children Report 2006

USA Ranking on Human Development Index (GDP, education, etc.): #10
(#1 Norway and #2 Iceland)- UN Human Development Report 2005


So much for those "socialist" Europeans and those "backward" Asians, hm?
We can do better than this.

Miscellany:
*Only 18% of Americans own passports and bother to travel outside of the US.
* 85% of US soldiers in Iraq believe that they are there to get revenge for 9/11.
* New international student enrollment in US grad schools has decreased by 6%, because of xenophobic post-9/11 US visa restrictions, jacked-up tuition fees and better educational opportunities in the EU and Asia. So no, not everyone wants to come here anymore, because it's become a land of incredibly limited opportunity, and we've lowered our educational standards.


MYTH 5: The US government loves to help other countries.

TRUTH:
This is a myth. The US government tends to be motivated by interests, not humanitarian principles.

Denmark gives the most amount of its GDP (1.01%) to developing countries; Norway gives 0.91%; the Netherlands give 0.79% and so on until the end of list, where the USA sits. Yes, America ranks DEAD LAST in foreign aid at a pathetic 0.1% of its GDP, compared to the other 21 nations listed as developed nations. The idea that the US government is a heroic bunch that runs around the world helping the poor and the disempowered is not backed up by the evidence. We have one of the stingiest governments on earth.

Most Americans believe the US spends 24% of its budget on aid to poor countries; the actual amount is well under a quarter of 1%. Our country also ranks #5 on asylum-seeker acceptance rates (#1 is Denmark and #2 is Canada).

For you self-congratulatory, redneck-inspired conservative fuckwads who will start to say, "B-b-b-but you're anti-American! M-m-m-moonbat! G-g-g-god bless the USA!" I answer, "Go fuck yourself. We can do better." Stop blindly believing everything your president tells you. Come back to us only when you start realizing that the $400 billion your president has allocated to his Roman Empire-style military overstretch could be better spent on correcting the sociopolitical and economic problems in the arenas that I've listed above.

For you liberal shit-heels who will start to say, "Yeah! Right on!" I answer, "Grow some fucking balls." That goes for women and the LGBT community too, and don't call me a sexist either: I'm more than comfortable with being a female, but I believe balls can be useful in situations like these. Instead, stop apologizing for being the "liberal elite," and start championing un-abashed excellence in everything, not mediocrity. Help your reps and senators take back Congress, and stop dithering while the political tides are turning in your favor right now. The conservatives are terrified now; TAKE advantage of that. And don't waste time trying to explain rational things to any homophobic Christians, or hyper-patriotic losers who wave and cheapen our American flag only for a self-esteem buzz, or those testosterone-filled, gullible, culturally-ignorant military recruiter robots who lack even a basic intelligence. THEY CANNOT BE REASONED WITH. They don't understand statistics, elaborate charts, legislative proposals or complicated scientific explanations. Just let them go. Let them go.

In the meantime, stop being SHEEP and get up and do something before some bright and ambitious Chinese, Indian and the European students grow up to be international leaders and make your lazy, self-absorbed kids irrelevant on the world stage.



Cliffs: Just read it, or atleast read myth 4

ultraflip
06-23-2006, 09:26 AM
and before anyone starts talkin trash and wants some hard facts..

Let's look at some real numbers:

Country GDP (purchasing power parity) Date of Information
1 World $ 60,710,000,000,000 2005 est.
2 United States $ 12,360,000,000,000 2005 est.
3 European Union $ 12,180,000,000,000 2005 est.
4 China $ 8,859,000,000,000 2005 est.
..wow, look at that.... U.S. has by far the highest GDP in the world... wait till the end of this...

Country Oil - consumption (bbl/day) Date of Information
1 World 80,100,000 2003 est.
2 United States 20,030,000 2003 est.
3 European Union 14,590,000 2001
4 China 6,391,000 2004
..for such a shitty, impoverished country we sure are able to afford a lot of oil, more than the entire EU combined... meaning that we're shanking ourselves for this crap... we pay more per barrel than many other countries...

Country Airports Date of Information
1 World 49,973 2005
2 United States 14,893 2005
3 Brazil 4,223 2005
..#1 again... transporting goods that were outsourced back into the country... pshh

Country Roadways (km) Date of Information
1 World 32,345,165 2002
2 United States 6,407,637 2004
3 European Union 4,634,810 1999-2000
..and again... all these roads... and it's STILL SHIT

Country Military expenditures - dollar figure Date of Information
1 United States $ 518,100,000,000 2005 est.
2 China $ 81,470,000,000 2005 est.
3 France $ 45,000,000,000 2005
4 Japan $ 44,310,000,000 2005 est.
5 United Kingdom $ 42,836,500,000 2003
..my personal favorite ... puahahaa

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

Chris in SD
06-23-2006, 10:10 AM
Your myths and "facts" are pretty interesting...

I am curious to know where you got them (other than the facts/figures for poverty rates, etc.). Everyone has their opinions, but this kind of "if you are this, then you are wrong" kind of bullshit is annoying. So what happens if I am a moderate? Does that make me nonexistent or am a pseudo-patriot or a pseudo-traitor?

Go hump someone else's leg when you want to talk poorly about this country.

For all of you who don't like the US, find another place to live or work to solve the problem. Bitching and moaning about your slanted "facts" doesn't do anyone any good. As a former Marine, I can tell you that 95% of the Marines I worked with WANTED to be where they are - they don't complain daily about the conservative politicians sending them to a slaughterhouse.

Absinthe
06-23-2006, 10:12 AM
Damn those Fins are smart.

Terry S
06-23-2006, 10:17 AM
Flip,

Both your posts are pretty lame and blatently false on several counts. I have a buttload of work today, but if I get a few minutes, i'm going to address each "truth" in your post. Dude, your post is about as intelligent as the "eliminate your carbon footprint by sending me money" website.

Terry S

Chris in SD
06-23-2006, 10:18 AM
Damn those Fins are smart.


It's easy to be smart, educated, healthy, etc. when 60%+ of your income goes to social programs via income tax (not to mention when you have 10% of the population of the US). *But then again, these same liberal fucks (and ultra-conservatives get no love from me either) don't consider that when they rally for illegal immigrants' "rights". *Ridiculous...

Terry S
06-23-2006, 10:20 AM
Damn those Fins are smart.


It's easy to be smart, educated, healthy, etc. when 60%+ of your income goes to social programs via income tax (not to mention when you have 10% of the population of the US). But then again, these same liberal fucks (and ultra-conservatives get no love from me either) don't consider that when they rally for illegal immigrants' "rights". Ridiculous...


fucking socialists.... piss me the fuck off.... bleh.

Terry S

Absinthe
06-23-2006, 10:23 AM
Damn those Fins are smart.


It's easy to be smart, educated, healthy, etc. when 60%+ of your income goes to social programs via income tax (not to mention when you have 10% of the population of the US). But then again, these same liberal fucks (and ultra-conservatives get no love from me either) don't consider that when they rally for illegal immigrants' "rights". Ridiculous...


I am aware of the nature of socialist europe after all I have live half my life there, that said I was unaware it was working so well there I thought asian kids with thier carzy social mores would have ruled the top of that group.

Absinthe
06-23-2006, 10:23 AM
Damn those Fins are smart.


It's easy to be smart, educated, healthy, etc. when 60%+ of your income goes to social programs via income tax (not to mention when you have 10% of the population of the US). But then again, these same liberal fucks (and ultra-conservatives get no love from me either) don't consider that when they rally for illegal immigrants' "rights". Ridiculous...


fucking socialists.... piss me the fuck off.... bleh.

Terry S


things that dont effect you, like how finland choses to run its country should not piss you off, its a waste of energy and will only make you old.

Lancer EVO IX
06-23-2006, 10:24 AM
USA Ranking of Student Reading Ability: #12
(#1 Finland and #2 South Korea)- OECD PISA 2003

USA Ranking of Student Problem Solving Ability: #26
(#1 South Korea and #2 Finland)- OECD PISA 2003

Damn those South Koreans and Fins are smart!!! *hehe

Chris in SD
06-23-2006, 10:25 AM
Damn those Fins are smart.


It's easy to be smart, educated, healthy, etc. when 60%+ of your income goes to social programs via income tax (not to mention when you have 10% of the population of the US).* But then again, these same liberal fucks (and ultra-conservatives get no love from me either) don't consider that when they rally for illegal immigrants' "rights".* Ridiculous...


I am aware of the nature of socialist europe after all I have live half my life there, that said I was unaware it was working so well there I thought asian kids with thier carzy social mores would have ruled the top of that group.


The funny thing is that all the kids in Japan, etc. want to be like Americans... LOL * My buddy Paul (white dude) lives in Tokyo and hates that the younger Japanese are turning their backs on their traditional culture in order to have spiky dyed hair, tight jeans, etc. *The northern Euros have very strict social rules when it comes to kindness, patience, etc. *They also have nice relaxed mores about sexuality. * O0

Terry S
06-23-2006, 10:30 AM
It's great how book/test smarts are all that matters in the world. I wish I could just take tests over and over for a living, then we'd all be set!

Terry S (still pissed off about socialists and wackjob liberals...)

ultraflip
06-23-2006, 10:32 AM
Response to Chris in SD:

I am curious to know where you got them (other than the facts/figures for poverty rates, etc.). Everyone has their opinions, but this kind of "if you are this, then you are wrong" kind of bullshit is annoying. So what happens if I am a moderate? Does that make me nonexistent or am a pseudo-patriot or a pseudo-traitor?

The whole "if you are this, then you are wrong" classifying of people is indeed annoying... i can agree with you on that... but then again... you have to admit.. that's how america works... laws are made to make situations as black and white as possible... it's the way everything is perceived and interpreted that brings us to all of our "grey" areas... in regards to this liberal post... you'd be considered a pseudo-traitor... the old cliche' of "if you're not part of the solution.. you're part of the problem" comes to mind... horrible mentality.. i know... but then again... it's early in the morning and i'm here to cause trouble.

Go hump someone else's leg when you want to talk poorly about this country.

i'll go ahead and disregard this statement because i think you definetly took this post the wrong way... but then again... that's why this thread is not moderated or anything... like you said "everyone is entitled to their opinion" If the majority of people even read the article, alot of it isnt even bashing america. It just talks about common misconceptions, but the fact that this statement has been included in your post, it instantly means that its a hate speech against the "greatest nation in the world"

For all of you who don't like the US, find another place to live or work to solve the problem. Bitching and moaning about your slanted "facts" doesn't do anyone any good. As a former Marine, I can tell you that 95% of the Marines I worked with WANTED to be where they are - they don't complain daily about the conservative politicians sending them to a slaughterhouse.

please be advised that I did not write this article... i merely posted this article in here to ruffle a few feathers... but in response to this... because america USED to have best and brightest, and at one point it was #1. the country has shitloads of potential, which is being abused in favor of greed for money by a select minority.

as for your military response... i have no valid argument for that... i have no grounds to comment on that as i am in the military as well

ultraflip
06-23-2006, 10:34 AM
Flip,

Both your posts are pretty lame and blatently false on several counts. I have a buttload of work today, but if I get a few minutes, i'm going to address each "truth" in your post. Dude, your post is about as intelligent as the "eliminate your carbon footprint by sending me money" website.

Terry S


that's what i get from reposting from an article from craigslist... never again i guess

ultraflip
06-23-2006, 10:36 AM
citing source to original article so i don't get blamed... lol

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/163437715.html

Chris in SD
06-23-2006, 10:40 AM
Man, you should know better than to post that drivel... Passing on info second or third-hand is not conducive to people giving your intellect its "props".

When I complained about people bitching about this country, I am not naive enough to think that the US is the greatest country as a blanket statement. Certain things the US does and stands for ARE definitely the best in the world, from a standpoint of concern and empathy. Other points make us gross consumers, polluters, etc. The bottom line is that this is where almost everyone I've met in the world, from Colombia to Kenya, wants to live in the US. That should tell you something.

ultraflip
06-23-2006, 12:14 PM
Man, you should know better than to post that drivel... Passing on info second or third-hand is not conducive to people giving your intellect its "props".

First and foremost... lesson learned... lol... you've seen my previous work here on the politcal forum... although rare... i usually speak up when i have grounds to speak on it...


When I complained about people bitching about this country, I am not naive enough to think that the US is the greatest country as a blanket statement. Certain things the US does and stands for ARE definitely the best in the world, from a standpoint of concern and empathy. Other points make us gross consumers, polluters, etc.

I completely agree with most your statement Chris... but like you said about the whole "blanket statement"... there are indeed things that the U.S. does that are second to none... yet... there are things in the U.S. that (being politcally correct here)... "are not up to par" or something that many "feel" that the U.S. should "do differently"

The bottom line is that this is where almost everyone I've met in the world, from Colombia to Kenya, wants to live in the US. That should tell you something.

This... I cannot completly agree with... I can readily admit that i'm not as 'cultured' as you are... but the parts of the world that I have 'visited' or 'explored'... not everyone thinks of the U.S. so highly... not everyone is ready to help us out... for example... the war in Iraq... with SOOOO much controversy surrounding it... it has lead other countries to look down on the u.s.... basically be the gum on the sidewalk of which they step on... another good example would be the U.S.'s efforts for the Tsunami relief and what not... it was all hands across america for that... now look at katrina... a select few pitched in to help out the u.s.... the rest of the world... well... they pretty much laughed at us for the u.s.'s lack of preparation

Terry S
06-23-2006, 02:08 PM
Flip, you should have posted that is was a reprint from the get go. Then we could be spending our efforts, jointly attacking the crappy post and not you for posting it.

Terry S

Chris in SD
06-23-2006, 02:15 PM
When you talk about the points of view of other countries, you are going by their media. If you actually talk to the people in foreign countries (except for France and parts of England), most people still support the US. France hates our guts... If I never have to go through there again, it'll be too soon. Fuckin' frogs...

blkside
06-23-2006, 05:13 PM
Damn you guys will slice someones throat in here....I gotta be careful. I know that the quality of education is slacking in this country. Fact= I work with fu@king idiots.....lol

ultraflip
06-23-2006, 07:06 PM
Damn you guys will slice someones throat in here....I gotta be careful. I know that the quality of education is slacking in this country. Fact= I work with fu@king idiots.....lol


go look @ the immigration threads... i showed some power in there... lol

blkside
06-23-2006, 07:19 PM
I am actually frightened to...you like to get people all riled up...sound like me but I always get in trouble....lol

nothere
06-24-2006, 06:28 AM
GW had no problem praying to God. TJ was referring to making one church the church of the USA. Most of the founding fathers believed in the Christian God.

if you were running the government I would want you to do things in the best interest of the USA, if it coincided with appearing to "do good around the world" that would be secondary.
I want the strongest military, without it you would or will be speaking Chinese or muslim. the rest of the world is on crack, or on the take.
considering we could take whatever we wanted from any other country, you have to admit we are pretty fair.
our schools do suck, there is right and wrong and there is correct and incorrect.

Terry S
06-24-2006, 02:35 PM
GW had no problem praying to God. TJ was referring to making one church the church of the USA. Most of the founding fathers believed in the Christian God.

if you were running the government I would want you to do things in the best interest of the USA, if it coincided with appearing to "do good around the world" that would be secondary.
I want the strongest military, without it you would or will be speaking Chinese or muslim. the rest of the world is on crack, or on the take.
considering we could take whatever we wanted from any other country, you have to admit we are pretty fair.
our schools do suck, there is right and wrong and there is correct and incorrect.


We cant really have the strongest military nor can we take whatever we want from any other country (militarily). We're already on a volunteer only status and we can barely keep the level that we currently have. Countries that give more support to their military (i.e. china, korea, etc...) will always have a bigger & stronger military than us. We have to put our faith in superior training and technology...

Also, since we cannot handle many military operations (due to size, strength, and status in the international arena), we have almost no chance at "taking what we want from other countries." We can however flex our "money muscle" on just about anyone and get what we want that way. It's one of the few situations where it's nice we're a politics first, big stick second government.

Terry S

P.S. Oh, and the founding fathers were Freemasons... The only semi-decent sect of "christianity" out there.

blkside
06-24-2006, 07:23 PM
Well we need to flex that monetary muscle and get me home so I can buy my EVO. I do agree with you though we are at this point so stretched thin it isnt even funny. And if this keeps going...can everyone say DRAFT

Chris in SD
06-25-2006, 06:35 AM
Well we need to flex that monetary muscle and get me home so I can buy my EVO. I do agree with you though we are at this point so stretched thin it isnt even funny.* And if this keeps going...can everyone say DRAFT


Reenlist in the combat zone, bro, and pocket that SRB!!!

blkside
06-25-2006, 07:28 AM
I dont think so there guy...there isnt enough money on earth to keep me in...I wanna raise my lil man...fuck the BS...I am out....

GokuSSJ4
06-26-2006, 11:53 AM
Flip,

Both your posts are pretty lame and blatently false on several counts. I have a buttload of work today, but if I get a few minutes, i'm going to address each "truth" in your post. Dude, your post is about as intelligent as the "eliminate your carbon footprint by sending me money" website.

Terry S


that's what i get from reposting from an article from craigslist... never again i guess

you got owned !!! good inf though LOL

ultraflip
06-26-2006, 11:55 AM
Flip,

Both your posts are pretty lame and blatently false on several counts. I have a buttload of work today, but if I get a few minutes, i'm going to address each "truth" in your post. Dude, your post is about as intelligent as the "eliminate your carbon footprint by sending me money" website.

Terry S


that's what i get from reposting from an article from craigslist... never again i guess

you got owned !!! good inf though LOL


*as goku steps into a battle that was fought 3 days prior*

Highrever
07-16-2006, 10:40 PM
And if this keeps going...can everyone say DRAFT


How old is to old for the military to draft these days? IE: the cutoff age.

Chris in SD
07-17-2006, 03:25 AM
And if this keeps going...can everyone say DRAFT


How old is to old for the military to draft these days? IE: the cutoff age.


There won't be a draft. The outcry from both sides (rep and dem) will be too great. Besides, recruiters exceeded their quotas for the last few months. The enticements (bonus money, etc.) are working. To answer your question, I believe the cutoff is 26 - maybe some of the Vietnam vets here can chime in.

909Evo
07-20-2006, 06:08 PM
? damn, I thought it was 30. Seeing as how 30 was the cutoff age for most jobs in the military, it only made sense that it was cutoff age for the draft.

Terry S
07-21-2006, 09:18 AM
? damn, I thought it was 30. Seeing as how 30 was the cutoff age for most jobs in the military, it only made sense that it was cutoff age for the draft.


Marine Corps will take you till your 32. Army & other branches until your 35 if I remember right...

Terry S

Chris in SD
07-21-2006, 01:58 PM
? damn, I thought it was 30. Seeing as how 30 was the cutoff age for most jobs in the military, it only made sense that it was cutoff age for the draft.


Marine Corps will take you till your 32. Army & other branches until your 35 if I remember right...

Terry S


Only for certain jobs - after 9/11, I tried to go back into the Marines and Special Forces (Army), but I was too old. I could have got a waiver because of my prior service, but then I needed another waiver for my dicked-up shoulder. >:(

Terry S
07-21-2006, 02:02 PM
? damn, I thought it was 30. Seeing as how 30 was the cutoff age for most jobs in the military, it only made sense that it was cutoff age for the draft.


Marine Corps will take you till your 32. Army & other branches until your 35 if I remember right...

Terry S


Only for certain jobs - after 9/11, I tried to go back into the Marines and Special Forces (Army), but I was too old. I could have got a waiver because of my prior service, but then I needed another waiver for my dicked-up shoulder. >:(


In my bootcamp platoon (which was from Dec 2002 - March 2003) I had one guy who was 30 and one guy who was 32 in my platoon. I dont know if they needed waivers, but I can assure you they were both there.

Terry S

Chris in SD
07-21-2006, 06:44 PM
They probably had waivers or prior service or both... Prior service can buy you time.

nothere
07-22-2006, 06:03 AM
I think I heard you could ENLIST up to 38
there is no draft.