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speedracer2169
09-04-2006, 12:46 PM
Print this guide and keep it in under your windshield visor. When you are pulled over, whip it out and follow the guidelines, step by step.

Author's Note: This guide is written to help you, the California motorist, have a safe (and perhaps ticket-free) traffic stop. The best way to avoid tickets is to fully understand and obey the law as outlined in the current California Vehicle Code. Laws are frequently changed, updated, added, and repealed and all laws are subject to differing interpretations by California judges. You can purchase a copy of the vehicle code at your local DMV. To be a safer driver, you must understand the law and use your common sense. As a licensed driver, you are ultimately responsible for verifying the information contained here and applying it to the unique situations you encounter. Good luck!

Numerous reports that possession of this guide during traffic stops has helped many motorists to recieve warnings instead of citations.

SAFETY FIRST: What to do when you SEE & HEAR the police behind you


1. PULL OVER TO RIGHT WHEN SAFE
(if you intend to continue driving to a well-lit area where you would feel safer, signal your intention to do so in any way possible--turn signal, hazard lights, slowing down, etc. Be aware that some officers may construe this as "flight", so don't push your luck by driving too far. Also, follow all subsequent safety instructions to the letter to relieve any suspicion the officer may have. If the officer is unreasonably belligerent about your failure to stop immediately, mention your fear for your personal safety. This tends to take the steam out of them. Be aware that failure to stop immediately will probably increase your odds of getting a citation; this is a small price to pay for safety.

2. TURN OFF YOUR ENGINE / PUT IGNITION KEY ON DASH
(an obvious step that many forget.) You're not in a "drive-thru." Officers do not feel safe approaching a car that might back over them or take off. By increasing the officer's sense of personal safety and decreasing his stress level as soon as possible, your chances of not being cited improve.

3. STAY IN YOUR VEHICLE!!
Exiting your vehicle without being asked by police will probably be taken as a threat. Allow the officer to approach you and thereby maintain control of the situation.
4. Keep your hands in plain view, on the steering wheel. DO NOT root around in car for license, registration, or anything else. (Once again, giving the officer no cause for suspicion or undue stress will decrease your odds of citation)
5. Turn on interior lights (night time only)
(this increases your visibility to the officer which decreases his stress.)
6. Roll down your window slightly and wait for officer to approach.
Do not be surprised if officer approaches on right (passenger) side of car--they often do this to avoid being hit by passing traffic.

SAFETY SECOND--What to do when the officer approaches your vehicle

At this point, your engine better be off, your keys are on the dash, your hands are on the steering wheel

1. Officer asks for driver's license, registration and proof of insurance.
If paperwork is in glovebox or "stashed" elsewhere in car, tell the officer where and ask permission to get them.
Retrieve documents AFTER given permission. This will decrease the officer's stress by allowing him to fully control the situation, that is, he'll be less likely to expect you to produce a weapon from the glovebox. You can avoid this by keeping a copy of your registration in your visor, with this guide.

2. BE POLITE
Regardless of what happens from here on out, treat the officer with courtesy and respect. Being rude, demeaning, or insolent should guarantee you a ticket. Save your problems with authority figures for your next visit home.
CHP officers can be referred to as "trooper", members of the Sheriff Department are "deputies", all other police should be referred to as "officer" unless you recognize a rank nametag or insignia (Sergeant, etc.) in which case you may address the officer by his rank.
Never ask: "What's the trouble?" This sounds hostile and your going to find out soon anyway.

THIRD--AVOIDING CITATIONS

NOTE: EVERY QUESTION ASKED BY THE OFFICER HAS A PURPOSE--HE IS COLLECTING EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU--HE IS TRYING TO GET YOU TO ADMIT GUILT

In over half of all traffic stops you, the motorist, provide all the evidence the officer will need to get a conviction by admitting your guilt. The officer will definitely take note of your admission of guilt in case you try to fight the ticket in court.

QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT BE ASKED BY THE POLICE:

1. "DO YOU KNOW WHY I STOPPED YOU?"
Analysis: An open-ended question designed to trap the intimidated, confused, stoned, drunk and insane.
BAD ANSWERS: "Because of all the drugs and guns in the trunk?" (Someone actually gave this answer on an episode of Cops.) "Because of the blood all over the back seat?" "Because I was SPEEDING, SWERVING, DRAG RACING,...etc.?"
BETTER ANSWER: "I don't know officer. Why did you stop me?"

2. "DO YOU STILL LIVE AT THIS ADDRESS?" (officer, while looking at your license)
Analysis: An "innocent" question which will cost you at least a $10 fix-it ticket (with a $25 "administrative fee") if you get it wrong; also, it gives the officer an easy excuse to start writing your ticket. According to VC 14600a, you have 10 days to notify the DMV of a change of address, for which they will issue you a paper document which you must present with your license when stopped. Failure to notify the DMV within 10 days is a citable offense.
BAD ANSWERS: "Dude, I haven't lived at that address since the DEA busted up the meth lab--about 2 years ago."
BETTER ANSWER: "Yes officer, that is my current address." or "No officer, I moved two days ago to the following address...."

3. DO YOU KNOW HOW FAST YOU WERE GOING? (OR ONE OF ITS INDIRECT VARIANTS: WHAT'S THE HURRY? OR DO YOU KNOW THE SPEED LIMIT HERE?)
Analysis: Again, this type of question is trying to make you admit to breaking the Prima Facie (VC 23352) or Maximum (VC 22349) Speed Law by stating a specific number (which the officer will record as evidence) or otherwise admitting to speeding.
BAD ANSWERS: "75." "85." "95." "About your I.Q." "Who knows, the signs blur out when I pass 100."
BETTER ANSWER: Yes. I was going a SAFE AND REASONABLE speed for conditions in accordance with the BASIC SPEED LAW (VC 22350).

STAGE FOUR--ASK, DON'T BEG, FOR A WARNING

THE OFFICER STATES THAT YOU HAVE BROKEN SOME LAW BUT HAS NOT YET WRITTEN A TICKET---ASK FOR A WARNING (approximately 1 of 4 CHP traffic stops last year ended in a Warning, yet officers will seldom ask if you want one--this is your job!) A safe and courteous traffic stop on your part will vastly improve your odds here.
EXAMPLE: (SPEEDING VIOLATION) : "Well Officer, though you may think I was going a bit over the posted limit, I always drive safely and I know my speed was SAFE & REASONABLE for conditions---would you please give me a WARNING as a reminder?
EXAMPLE: (other violations) : "I'm always a safe driver officer, and now that I see that sign (or understand this law) I'll certainly never violate it. Would you please give me a warning as a reminder?"

STAGE FIVE--IT'S LOOKING BAD--HE WANTS TO WRITE IT

1. EXCUSE TIME--NEVER BE AFRAID TO GIVE AN HONEST & LEGITIMATE EXCUSE AS TO WHY YOU MAY HAVE BEEN DISTRACTED AND INADVERTENTLY VIOLATED THE LAW
(I have a friend who was cited for speeding while taking his pregnant (in labor) wife to the hospital. Sound absurd? What's really absurd is that he did not inform the officer of his situation, feeling that it was a "private" matter. Remember though, even an ambulance can not legally drive more than 15 mph over the posted limit. Other "legitimate" excuses for distraction: trying to control children or pets, adjusting child seat, arguing with spouse..etc. Being "in a hurry" for non-emergency reasons is never a good excuse. REMEMBER THAT ANY "EXCUSE" MIGHT BE USED AGAINST YOU IN COURT AS AN IMPLIED ADMISSION OF GUILT.)

2. QUESTIONING THE EVIDENCE: WITH A BASIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE VEHICLE CODE YOU CAN POLITELY ASK THE OFFICER QUESTIONS WHICH MAY PROVE HIS EVIDENCE ILLEGAL IN ITSELF AND UNUSABLE IN COURT.
QUESTIONS YOU CAN ASK THE POLICE:
(
SPEEDING): Motorist: "Officer, how did you determine my speed?"
Officer: "I paced you."
Motorist reply: "Fine. When was your speedometer last calibrated? May I see proof of calibration?"

OR

Officer: "I used radar."(MOST TICKETS OFF FREEWAY ARE RADAR)
Motorist: "Fine. May I see your tuning fork and calibration record?"(Many radars are calibrated with a tuning fork.)
Officer: "Here they are." (Note: officer not legally required to show you the radar reading itself, but feel free to ask.)

OR

Motorist: "When was the required TRAFFIC AND ENGINEERING SURVEY last conducted on this road? Was it conducted within the last seven years? If so, what did it determine the SAFE SPEED on this road to be?
Officer: "I don't know any of that?"
Motorist: " Then can I assume this is a SPEED TRAP by definition of VC 40802 and that your "evidence" is illegal by VC40803?"

If the last question seemed a bit too complex, try this:

Motorist: "Officer, how long have you guys had this Speed Trap set up?"
Officer: "'Bout half an hour."(though any answer not categorically denying that he is conducting a Speed Trap might work.)
Motorist: Thanks for that information, officer. Are you aware that Speed Traps (VC 40802) and Speed Trap Evidence (VC 40803) are illegal?"
Officer: "You got me there. You're free to go." (Yes, this might occur.)

(other citations): Ask him about his ticket "quota" indirectly:

Motorist: "Officer, are you permitted to give me a warning or are you required to only write citations today?
Officer: "They sent me here to write tickets, not to give warnings."
Motorist: "I thought you were here to promote traffic safety; what you described sounds like a quota." (quota's are illegal: VC 41602)
(Officers can always write a warning for a 1 point infraction, so if he tells you he can't, he's indirectly admitting to some sort of directed quota.)


STAGE SIX--ONE LAST CHANCE BEFORE HE WRITES CITATION

PLACE TO APPEAR (VC 40502b): "Upon demand" cited person may have his ticket adjudicated (tried) at the county seat of the county he is cited in if the county seat court is closer to his home or work than the court closest to his place of "arrest". For example, if you are stopped in either North County, South Bay, Escondido, or El Cajon judicial districts, demand that your case be heard at the county seat court, San Diego Superior Court in Clairmont, as is your right in accordance with VC 40502b before the officer writes your ticket. Most officers serving in these outlying districts do not like to travel all the way to Clairemont and will often write you a warning when you demand this right.

IF OFFICER REFUSES: Write on the signature line of citation: "I demand my legal right to appear at county seat (VC 40502b)." Then sign and smile at the officer. This will enable you to prove, in court, that you did demand to appear at the county seat court, at the traffic stop, and thereby guarantee your right to appear at the county seat.

speedracer2169
09-04-2006, 03:55 PM
Push come to shove if you get real desperate and don't want a ticket pick your nose in front of the cop and try to pull out a big booger. He'll get disgusted. Worked twice for me

silex
09-05-2006, 01:06 PM
WTF to the above????????????????

Terenus
09-05-2006, 01:12 PM
Push come to shove if you get real desperate and don't want a ticket pick your nose in front of the cop and try to pull out a big booger. He'll get disgusted. Worked twice for me


LOL...why dont you play with yourself while you're at it.

speedracer2169
09-05-2006, 06:20 PM
seriously the cop will be so disgusted that he wont give his pen to sign the ticket so he'll just give you a warning

909Evo
09-05-2006, 06:24 PM
Lol ... He is right about that.

And just a +1, remember, laser doesn't need to be calibrated. I know you didn't say it needed to be, and I've read this whole thing before, it is good advice.

mxwrench
09-12-2006, 02:44 PM
Thats disgusting! I wouldn't want him to use my pen either!

C-Spec
09-12-2006, 02:48 PM
for me, i just give them my Military ID, BSing about IRAQ and the best Doughnuts for about 5-10 minutes and i will be on my way :2funny:

nlakind
09-14-2006, 07:23 PM
Thanx for the post...I sent it to everyone in my family & close friends...

evotistic
09-15-2006, 01:09 PM
for me, i just give them my Military ID, BSing about IRAQ and the best Doughnuts for about 5-10 minutes and i will be on my way :2funny:


used to do that....until i was issued my purple heart license plate from the great state of CA...now they just come up and ask me about my deployment..and then 'mention' that my exhaust is not legal...

then its on my way....no tickets....

TARMAC_GSR
11-10-2006, 07:49 PM
samething here about the military i.d. .... one time i didnt even have my license and gave him the i.d. .... he let me roll 2min later... no ticket or warning

cky_bam_marg
12-05-2006, 12:35 PM
i need this county seat thing cleared up a bit more

so if i get pulled over in tustin* orange county* and i live on rancho cucamonga *san bernardino* and i state i want this couty seat thing will the cop have to go to court in the san bernardino county seat? or will i have to go to the orange county seat which is is santa ana?

JDMC-WestEVO
12-05-2006, 12:52 PM
all the cops in my area know me and HATE me so doesnt really matter wat i do however i've gotten off like three times outta 10 i just got on the fone with my lawyer and that scared them away :)

ranmonbu
12-05-2006, 08:16 PM
speedracer2169...In your experience, what is the most effective booger repulsion technique?Â* Should you roll it around on your fingertips, or stretch a gooey booger between your thumb and forefinger?Â* Or, do you have another preferred methodology for extracting and handling boogers during an unplanned meeting with a law enforcement officer?

Saotome9
03-21-2007, 11:55 PM
lol

rchangwu
04-16-2007, 05:21 PM
i need this county seat thing cleared up a bit more

so if i get pulled over in tustin* orange county* and i live on rancho cucamonga *san bernardino* and i state i want this couty seat thing will the cop have to go to court in the san bernardino county seat? or will i have to go to the orange county seat which is is santa ana?


yea , im not very clear on the county seat thing... i thought they made u go wherever you got your ticket. i didnt know you could change the place.

EVO Neil
04-16-2007, 05:45 PM
Excellent advice! Learn something new every day.

flashfoto
06-03-2007, 12:42 PM
Started doing a little research on this...

You may want to reconsider asking all that sh*t. (from the mouths of cops):

http://forums.officer.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-39452.html

See my post below

dj_subculture
06-03-2007, 08:09 PM
It has been my observation/experience, that most if not all peace officers, L.A and sourrounding counties. will simply ask for you for you DL, Veh. Reg. and proff of insurance, walk back to their patrol car and then after some time, come back and give you your citation.

hksevo8
06-04-2007, 09:36 AM
I like to keep a digital recorder in my car. When ever i get pulled over, I pull out the tape recorder and place it on my dash next to my keys. I inform the officer that i am recording our conversation after they ask me if i know why i have been stopped.

EVO Neil
06-04-2007, 09:43 AM
I like to keep a digital recorder in my car. When ever i get pulled over, I pull out the tape recorder and place it on my dash next to my keys. I inform the officer that i am recording our conversation after they ask me if i know why i have been stopped.



Does that really work? I would think the officer may find that confrontational. Curious???

hksevo8
06-04-2007, 10:05 AM
It depends on the officer I guess. For the most part they really do not care. Most officers have determined if you are getting a ticket long before they walk up and talk to you for the first time. I use the recorder to make sure I do not miss anything the officer says while talking to me. I like to have it for when I end up at trial.

flashfoto
06-04-2007, 12:12 PM
Forget all this crap and spend the best 29 bucks of your life...

For speeding, this is all you need (http://www.beatmyspeedingticket.com/)

No bullshit. I'm getting out of another speeding ticket next month. I almost welcome speeding tickets.

MJCT9A
12-04-2007, 03:06 AM
wow

Steve@Nrgtech
07-07-2008, 10:20 AM
where I live, if your doing over 80mph in a 55mph and you reply with "Officer, i was traveling a reasonable and safe speed" you
ll probably get 2 tickets for being a wiseass. Your better off just keeping your mouth shut over here. Cops dont play

jerrym
11-25-2008, 01:18 AM
great write up

xxx4reggie
11-25-2008, 01:38 PM
wow, thank you for posting this.
this is exactly wat i wanted to see :)

strat10
12-01-2008, 10:06 AM
My favorite post on that cop site is:


But do it with a smile and be sure to tell them to have a great day as you turn around and SKIP back to the patrol unit!!!That really ****es em off!!LOL!!

Can you imagine a cop skipping back to the car!

samohopar
01-29-2009, 12:07 PM
I just want to point out some things...

First time I ever got a ticket... going about 55 in a 35 zone, I pretended I did not know why I got pulled over, the cop got pissed, and gave me a ticket.

I then got pulled over (a long time after) going 75 in a 35 zone in my YELLOW MAZDASPEED PROTEGE. The officer asked me if I knew how fast I was going, I said not sure, but probably very fast....I guessed 55mph. He said try 75, told me to slow down and that he appreciated my honesty and let me off.

I got pulled over going 80mph in a 25 school zone at UCLA at 4am, (no pedestrians or other cars around, i'm not reckless), the cop asked me "why the hell were you driving so fast?" I answered "I don't know officer, I was just being stupid." After he agreed with me and did the usual checks, he let me off with a warning.

Got pulled over leaving Westwood. The officer asked me if I knew why I got pulled over, I honestly responded I have no idea. He told me I was speeding, 35 in a 30 zone at 4 in the fucking morning. The bastard wrote me a ticket 2 days before christmas.

A few weeks later got pulled over again on the freeway going 85mph, the officer asked me if i knew why, I said yes, I was speeding as I was handing him my license and registration. He commented how it seems like i really knew the drill, I told him about my last speeding ticket at a whopping 35mph in a 30 zone. He laughed and let me off saying I needed to learn to slow down.

Last but not least, after a night of heavy drinking on Sunset I was driving back with my car full of piss-drunk people. I made it back to Westwood and we were going to the local bar there to finish off the night. There is a twisty part on the road heading there, and I decided it would be a good idea to take these 20mph twists at 55 (speed limit was 30). As I was about to park I saw those oh so familiar lights in the back. Few things can scare you like being pulled over with 4 long islands in your system and a carful of people saying "oh shit" and "oh fuck I can't believe this." I almost shit my pants on the inside but kept cool.
Cop: Do you know why I pulled you over?
Me: Yes sir, I was speeding.
Cop: Do you know how fast you were going?
Me: Yes sir, I was going 55.
Cop: Do you know what the speed limit here is?
Me: Um 35?
Cop: Try 30.
Me: Oh aright.
Cop: Have you had anything to drink tonight?
Me: No sir, in fact we're on our way to O'hares right now, (the bar there)
Cop: Alright, slow down this isn't a track.

Lets just say we had a few more that night toasting to my almost DUI.

Moral of the story: tell the truth unless it's going to directly send you to jail and end any career aspirations you might have.

EVO Neil
01-29-2009, 12:30 PM
Dude, you may have admitted you were speeding, but you hardly ever told the truth from what you've written...

rcantuc
01-29-2009, 12:33 PM
Good tip for CHP. I got an Arizona cop clocking me and they won't be has cool. They're Nazis.

white9
01-29-2009, 12:35 PM
Moral of the story: "tell the truth"

You lied... You were drunk...

samohopar
01-29-2009, 12:51 PM
Dude, you may have admitted you were speeding, but you hardly ever told the truth from what you've written...


What you mean? Except for the first ticket and drinking, I told the truth every time.

samohopar
01-29-2009, 12:53 PM
Moral of the story: "tell the truth"

You lied... You were drunk...


I lied about that because they weren't going to say "oh your honest so good luck driving drunk." What about rest of the times? And I didn't even get a good ole' speeding ticket while drunk because I told the truth about my speeding.

scumdog
01-29-2009, 01:04 PM
this is very good advice, now pulling it out and reading it during a stop is probably not the best advice and also proves you really dont know what your talking about.You couldnt read it all before he got to your car either.

vanousad
02-25-2009, 06:06 PM
I was pulled over on I-5 as I was heading to the 14 for Willow Springs back in Sept. As I was going Northbound I saw a sign that read ONLY, Next Exit to the left in 1/2 mile. This is my first time in Cali, I was stationed down here in Aug. and had not gotten used to the roads down here (back in WA there are no dbl yellow lines for car pool and there are no exits to the left). So being confused I merged out of the car pool lane so I wouldn't have to take the exit not knowing I-5 kept going straight. I pulled over to the side and rolled down both windows not knowing what side he would go to, took the keys out of the ignition and set them on the roof, and kept my hands on the wheel. The cop came up to the passenger window and asked for my credentials. I told him where they were and asked if I could get them. He gave me permission and said he would be right back. When he came back he asked if the address on the drivers license was my home of record (WA license and WA plates up to date), I told him yes and I had just moved down here. He then asked me if I wanted a car pool ticket or fix it ticket. I thought he was just messing with me and asked him what the fix it ticket was for. He said, "you don't have a front license plate". I said yes sir I do, it's front left side (stock Evo 9 plate location). He goes to the front of the car gives me a thumbs up and as he is passing by the window says good, now you don't have a choice. When he came back for the second time he handed me the ticket and then asked why I did it. After I gave him my reason he looked at my wife and said I blame her. She is the navigator in the passenger seat and she should have been paying attention to the sign then walked away. Needless to say, I was very nice to him and he wasn't so pleasant to myself NOR my family. This just goes to show that there are A** holes out there that think just because we drive a fast car we are always doing illegal things. I had my freaking family with me (pregnant wife and 3 year old son), and a friend in the back seat. I talked to a military layer and he said the chances of getting the case dismissed were slim to none so I just paid the $360 fine.

dj_subculture
02-26-2009, 01:24 AM
Damn. Shoulda taken the fix-it ticket.

xtasy127
03-01-2009, 04:31 AM
Damn. Shoulda taken the fix-it ticket.

+1

MR_CT9A
03-15-2009, 06:41 PM
good tips.

drmosh
08-12-2009, 08:58 PM
Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

And just to clarify: BEING HONEST DOES *NOT* HELP YOU. But AGAIN, WE ARE NOT LAWYERS SO TAKE WHAT WE SAY WITH A GRAIN OF SALT AND WHAT YOU DO IS YOUR OWN PROBLEM.

The justice and law system is NOT based on honesty... Lawyers are specialists at lying.Â* Â*During your encounter you should NEVER give up any rights which the officer will try to get you to do and you should not VOLUNTEER any information.

Always be polite but remember you are a citizen with rights.

"Do you know why I pulled you over?"

"No officer." (doesn't matter if you know what he pulled you over for)

"You don't think you were going a little fast?"

"No" (never admit guilt)

"Is that a modified exhaust?"Â* (baiting question)

"Did I do something wrong officer?"Â* (try to clarify the situation)

It doesn't matter if you were or not, they are trying to get you to admit that you committed a crime.

dinan3
05-05-2010, 10:08 AM
i have always been honest and they usually appreciate it. They are not idiots. They know what time it is and so do you when getting pulled over. IMO, if the officer is being cool then be honest. If he or she is being not so cool then only admit to what you know he or she knows. Nothing more. I have been let go on alot of occasions hauling ass just by saying yes sir I was speeding and you got me. No excuses. believe it or not. I live practically on Mullholland and Kanan road so I rip the canyons alot. Been pulled over on average about six times a year and only have two speeding tickets. Three times i was pulled over for no front plate and only got a fix it ticket once. Maybe because I am older and white they give me a break, I don't know.

plan:b
07-19-2010, 05:23 PM
I started to realize that the older I get the more tickets I get out of. And it's funny because as I get older, my cars get faster. Go figure :)

Great info, Thanks

GokuSSJ4
07-20-2010, 01:26 AM
Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

And just to clarify: BEING HONEST DOES *NOT* HELP YOU. But AGAIN, WE ARE NOT LAWYERS SO TAKE WHAT WE SAY WITH A GRAIN OF SALT AND WHAT YOU DO IS YOUR OWN PROBLEM.

The justice and law system is NOT based on honesty... Lawyers are specialists at lying.Â* Â*During your encounter you should NEVER give up any rights which the officer will try to get you to do and you should not VOLUNTEER any information.

Always be polite but remember you are a citizen with rights.

"Do you know why I pulled you over?"

"No officer." (doesn't matter if you know what he pulled you over for)

"You don't think you were going a little fast?"

"No" (never admit guilt)

"Is that a modified exhaust?"Â* (baiting question)

"Did I do something wrong officer?"Â* (try to clarify the situation)

It doesn't matter if you were or not, they are trying to get you to admit that you committed a crime.


even tho this thread is a bit old, you can gather some great info that might help you under certain situations.
Since what you just mentioned above has happen many times to all of us.. Great info!!!

dloiphone
02-07-2011, 11:01 PM
I followed the tips from this and it worked. the cop gave me a warning and let me go. i was headed home from work late at night and was swerving a lot and kinda going fast at the same time and just let me go.

i will recomend anyone to print this out or try to remember it!

gturner26
04-07-2012, 09:50 PM
I tried the military I.D. thing one time and the officer said "I don't need this" and tossed it back through the window at me, I just couldn't believe it!

MRWHITE
10-28-2012, 07:59 PM
Great info. Thank you to the OP for posting this.

MRWHITE
10-28-2012, 08:05 PM
Oh and for the record, i got pulled by a chippy in north county, handed him my CAC card (dot mil contractor)and kindly explained to him that i was travelling over the speed limit because we had a last minute rescheduling of a training evo,ution for a marsoc unit and that i apologized and that it was no excuse. He gave me a "slow it down and semper fi" and let me go with a warning. Lucky i got an ex devil dog apparently.

Sev
11-19-2012, 04:02 PM
Oh and for the record, i got pulled by a chippy in north county, handed him my CAC card (dot mil contractor)and kindly explained to him that i was travelling over the speed limit because we had a last minute rescheduling of a training evo,ution for a marsoc unit and that i apologized and that it was no excuse. He gave me a "slow it down and semper fi" and let me go with a warning. Lucky i got an ex devil dog apparently.


Damn...so the give us "normal" people a hard time. I've only been let off once for my tints because they cop felt bad for my dumb ass and saw that I was recently rear ended. :2funny:

evolutong
01-19-2013, 12:12 PM
Subscribed

Killmode
01-20-2013, 11:23 AM
Sub'd

DruMMinStUd06
02-06-2014, 09:02 AM
I remembered my training! This got me off with a warning last night. Cops are all over in Westwood when they shut down the onramps....they were roaming the streets just looking for cars to pull over.

gt35rdanny
01-22-2015, 09:38 PM
Good stuff thanks

riceball777
02-24-2015, 03:49 PM
Lets talk about what we should do when we're pulled over and the cop is trying to get you for illegal mods or is trying to give you a ref ticket and is trying to pop your hood. Let assume that we do have illegal loud aftermarket exhaust system and illegal under the hood modifications.

Im assume the best corse of action is to say as little as possible act dumb and never admit guilt. They will ask if you have illegal mods and our answer will be no. When the ask if you can pop your hood for an inspection we should say no and refuse and just say I want to remain silent after than.

after this do they have the right to ask us to steep out of the car and for them to go into the car and pop the hood themselves if we do not agree or let them?

the fact of us having a loud aftermarket exhaust, is that enough probable cause for them to search our cars and under our hood without our consent?

revumbra
03-01-2015, 11:08 PM
So many questions on different levels.

Ok so first off you have this little section of the California Vehicle Code (CVC) that handles your first part:

2806. Any regularly employed and salaried police officer or deputy
sheriff, or any reserve police officer or reserve deputy sheriff
listed in Section 830.6 of the Penal Code, having reasonable cause to
believe that any vehicle or combination of vehicles is not equipped
as required by this code or is in any unsafe condition as to endanger
any person, may require the driver to stop and submit the vehicle or
combination of vehicles to an inspection and those tests as may be
appropriate to determine the safety to persons and compliance with
the code.

So they require reasonable suspicion to conduct a vehicle safety inspection (It isn't a search, it is an inspection), this is not probable cause...it is FAR less. It in a nut shell means if based on their training and experience they believe or suspect your vehicle has illegal modifications that an inspection is legal. So what happens if you say "No!" Well first the cops can ask you out of the car, and of course you can refuse. Then it will probable come to them ordering you out of the car. Of course you can still probably say "No." Bad things will most likely start to happen. Since they won't know if you are hiding drugs, guns etc at this point. You can be forcefully removed for safety purposes, placed in the back of the patrol vehicle and charged with 148 PC Delaying a Peace Officer and the inspection will continue. Regardless of the inspection results your car will most likely be towed too. Failing to follow the CVC could result in a suspended license after the fact. These are all worst case scenarios that most likely would not occur.

There is a big difference between "search" and "inspection" as well. A search of your car covers the interior and personable areas where you occupy. An inspection is of the vehicles components under the hood and your emissions system. It is a grey zone for them to start removing or opening things under the hood. Usually frowned upon by prosecutors and lawyers since they could push the "search" issue if they had to remove your valve cover or something along those lines.

yifuqiao
03-23-2015, 03:53 PM
Hey, guys... I tried these techniques before. None of them works.
Actually, believe it not, when I was taking a speech class in a college probably 8 years ago, we actually talked about this and the methods are very similar to this.
I still couldn't execute it well though, English is my second language.

But I found nowadays, cops got smarter, and they try to avoid to talk to you at all cost.
Example would be,
Officer walking to my window: Can I get your driver license and registration, and insurance.
I gave him all that.
Officer: Do you know you were speeding?
Me: no, officer, I was just following the traffic and driving safely. ( which was the truth.)
He then got all my docs and went back to his car.
I didn't have any chance to talk to him at all.
After 5 mins... I got a ticket without any conversation... No chances for explanation.

I did try to request county seat, but he told me you don't have to go to court. So I guess I got denied?
Anyway, I am driving slow now. And haven't had any problem.
But Just curious how would you apply the said "what to do" in this case?

Frosty417
05-15-2015, 09:51 AM
Yifuqiao, the best thing to do if you wish to contest a citation is contact the traffic court division of where you are to appear, and take it from there. Not all courts are the same and they handle cases differently. Either way, handle the cite, if you don't you will get a warrant or possible suspension for FTA (fail to appear), not good. FYI: I could go on and on in this subject matter... Blah Blah.....impounds etc...oh and Lasers which are target specific need to be calibrated/tested. Your radar/laser devices will not defeat/scramble only detect. if there is no front plate to target, another part of vehicle is painted with the laser and viola...reading...

Jcherb686
09-06-2015, 10:45 PM
I was told by a CHP officer awhile back "keep it under 80" He was a nice dude, incredibly professional and let me go with a warning. I was speeding and was honest, he could tell I was having a shitty morning. I woke up late, couldn't find my keys (I have a 3 year old), got in the car and realized I needed to get gas....like this morning couldn't get any worse and then I get stopped. I was doing like 85 or some shit on the 5 north just after oceanside. He walked up, introduced himself, informed me of my violation and asked what was going on, verified my id and what not. Talked to me for a few minutes and even offered to call my boss to let him know I was having a shit day so far. I thanked him and went on my way.

Its my opinion that it seems like everyone is always trying to be smarter than the (insert LEO/Agency). Just don't be an asshole and answer the questions respectfully.