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Skiracer
09-20-2006, 01:07 PM
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http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/060920/environment_autos.html?.v=18

Reuters
Calif. sues carmakers over global warming
Wednesday September 20, 3:36 pm ET
By Michael Kahn


SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California sued six of the world's largest automakers over global warming on Wednesday, charging that greenhouse gases from their vehicles have caused billions of dollars in damages.
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The lawsuit is the first of its kind to seek to hold manufacturers liable for the damages caused by their vehicles' emissions, state Attorney General Bill Lockyer said.

It also comes less than a month after California lawmakers adopted the nation's first global warming law mandating a cut in greenhouse gas emissions.

An automaker trade group called the global warming move a "nuisance suit." Car manufacturers have also held up California state rules to force cuts in tailpipe emissions from cars and trucks with legal action of their own.

The lawsuit names General Motors Corp. (NYSE:GM - News), Ford Motor Co. (NYSE:F - News), Toyota Motor Corp. (Tokyo:7203.T - News), the Chrysler Motors Corp. U.S. arm of Germany's DaimlerChrysler AG (XETRA:DCXGN.DE - News) and the North American units of Japan's Honda Motor Co. (Tokyo:7267.T - News) and Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. (Tokyo:7201.T - News).

"(California) just passed a new law to cut global warming emissions by 25 percent and that's a good start and this lawsuit is a good next step," said Dan Becker, director of the Sierra Club's Global Warming Program.

Lockyer told Reuters he would seek "tens or hundreds of millions of dollars" from the automakers in the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Northern California.

The lawsuit seeks monetary damages for past and ongoing contributions to global warming and asks that the companies be held liable for future monetary damages to California.

It noted that California is spending millions to deal with reduced snow pack, beach erosion, ozone pollution and the impact on endangered animals and fish.

"The injuries have caused the people to suffer billions of dollars in damages, including millions of dollars of funds expended to determine the extent, location and nature of future harm and to prepare for and mitigate those harms, and billions of dollars of current harm to the value of flood control infrastructure and natural resources," it said.

Ford deferred comment to the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which called the complaint a "nuisance suit" similar to one a New York court dismissed.

"Automakers will need time to review this legal complaint, however, a similar nuisance suit that was brought by attorneys- general against utilities was dismissed by a federal court in New York," the industry group said in a statement.

Toyota declined to comment as the company evaluates the lawsuit. The other automakers had no immediate comment.

David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research, a nonprofit organization that provides public research and forecasts into the industry, said it would be tough for the industry to immediately meet demands from some critics.

Adoption of diesel engine emissions technology or gasoline- electric hybrids comes at great cost and improving gas mileage also likely means smaller lighter vehicles, trade-offs that are not attractive to consumers, he added.

"These are not free technologies, they are very expensive," Cole said. "Most people are price sensitive."

In the complaint, Lockyer charges that vehicle emissions have contributed significantly to global warming and have harmed the resources, infrastructure and environmental health of the most populous state in the United States.

Lockyer -- a Democratic candidate for state treasurer in the November election -- said the lawsuit states that under federal and state common law the automakers have created a public nuisance by producing "millions of vehicles that collectively emit massive quantities of carbon dioxide."

Carbon dioxide emissions and other greenhouse gases have been linked to global warming.

Chris in SD
09-20-2006, 01:26 PM
Kooky-ass California... It's stuff like this that makes the rest of the country think CA is nuts.

Even if reducing emissions is a good thing, this is not the way to do it. Pretty soon cars will be 49-state legal and not in CA. The only new cars there will be zero and near-zero emission vehicles.

Terenus
09-20-2006, 01:30 PM
This is fuckin rediculous.

Macky
09-20-2006, 01:46 PM
great. why not sue the rest of the world since these automakers represent only a sixth (at the most) of the total cause of greenhouse gas emissions.

the shipping industry burns millions of tons of diesel everyday, aircraft burn tons of fuel directly into the atmosphere (despite clean-run engines) plus not to mention other varied sources of these greenhouse gases (coal-burning power stations, organic fertilizer plants, etc). its a lost cause, all that can be done is to slow the process, but it is inevitable.

Terenus
09-20-2006, 02:27 PM
Why not sue China for still burning coal to produce electricity.

Macky
09-20-2006, 04:28 PM
Why not sue China for still burning coal to produce electricity.




...plus not to mention other varied sources of these greenhouse gases (coal-burning power stations.....)

exactly.

Absinthe
09-20-2006, 04:29 PM
Why not sue China for still burning coal to produce electricity.




...plus not to mention other varied sources of these greenhouse gases (coal-burning power stations.....)

exactly.


we'd have to sue ourselves too

Macky
09-20-2006, 04:36 PM
we'd have to sue ourselves too


yes, in a nutshell, its everyone's at fault. the term "greenhouse gas" is so widely used, and covers a lot of different chemicals/substances that isolating any particular one will not automatically solve the problem. suing these automakers wont fix the problem as this is a multi-faceted issue. on top of that, we in general are dependent on a lot of by-products made possible by vehicles and infrastructure that expel these gases into the atmosphere.

even if every vehicle in the world runs with reduced emissions, add all of them up and you will still have enough "greenhouse gas" to "kill" the environment and contribute to global warming. the shuttle launch alone recently released enough particulates and contaminants in the air roughly equivalent to at least a hundred polluting vehicles.

Terry S
09-21-2006, 07:52 AM
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

A sample from the above link:


Basic misconceptions that must be addressed include:

Does the Earth's atmosphere primarily behave like an actual greenhouse?

No. The term "greenhouse effect" is unfortunate since it often results in a totally false impression of the activity of so-called "greenhouse gases." An actual greenhouse works as a physical barrier to convection (the transfer of heat by currents in a fluid) while the atmosphere facilitates convection. So-called "greenhouse gases" in the Earth's atmosphere do not act as a barrier to convection so the impression of actual greenhouse-like activity in the Earth's atmosphere is wrong.

And yes, we still burn coal for electricity too. It's fairly clean though when you reclaim the gasses instead of venting them.

Terry S

silvery_eagle
09-21-2006, 09:40 AM
hah i want to see what kind of car they drive....

Terenus
09-21-2006, 10:42 AM
hah i want to see what kind of car they drive....


Hummer H1

gen4k20a2
09-21-2006, 10:52 AM
I thought that industry made 98% of pollution and carbon monoxide? Not cars...

silvery_eagle
09-21-2006, 01:45 PM
hah i want to see what kind of car they drive....


Hummer H1

ROFL... speaking of which... do you know that Arnold schwatzie owns 5 hummers?

Terenus
09-21-2006, 01:46 PM
Yea, I heard about Arnold's cars.