MR. Birdie: 376whp on 91 - Evo IX, GSC s1 cams, and Buschur 20G LT

[Smogrunner]

Hey folks,
Mr. Birdie went home happy tonight. 376whp on straight 91 on his Evo 9. 400whp on VP C10. The 110 octane tune was cut short due to the EBC being limited to 24.5 psi. The 91 octane tune maxed at 23psi. Here is the graph.

http://www.socalevo.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10300/normal_Evo9%20VienT%202-07%20400.jpg

Several folks talked crap about NOT being impressed with MR. Birdie's old results, despite being told that he was running a CAT and stock Intercooler. Now what do you have to say?

[1WkdEvo]

Lookin Good Mr. Birdie, congrats

[MR. Birdie]

Thanx smoggy! for the post. I must admit, Alfred did his magic again and I have to thank him with the TT crew for their hard work! I'm so happy with the result and let me tell you, the drive home was veryyyyyyyyyyy funn!! Â*:twisted: :twisted:

I honestly don't think i'll be able to get the result that I wanted out my set up if it wasn't for Alfred and the TT crew. There were a slight problem while tuning the car and Alfred with the crew stop and fix the matter so they can countine tuning the car. This right here tell alot about the shop and how dedicated they are in helping their customer. By the far the best evo shop in So cali! THANK YOU! AWESOME WORK! Â*:smitten: O0

[statix]

Cosi cams or GSC?

[MR. Birdie]

It still on the GSC S1 cams lol, its a typo

[Smogrunner]

Sorry, fixed.

[8YERV8]

Those are awsome numbers! Way to go Alfred once again O0

[fusionchicken]

awesome! fmic + test pipe (er...gutted hfc) ftw O0

dude i want a ride in your Evo even more now Vien :angel:

[MR. Birdie]

man let me tell you, It is fast as f***K!

[fusionchicken]

lol that's what we wanted to hear :D

[Luxury Broker]

This car is the real thing !! Not sure if people understand the power band and drivability of 91 octain in this beast ... I will be ordering mine this week !! Congrats again to Vien and TT Crew.

[atlvalet]

There will be another Evo for Alfred to tune with the EvoGreen...very soon :)


First, I need cams though.

[MR. Birdie]

happy bump

[GokuSSJ4]

so after all of this dilemma, the cat and fmic was the issue ?
if this turbo doesn't surge, i know what upgrades are next :) .. is this all it was change from this set up? i wish Alfred would give his .02 cents about this and before.. theres a huge freaking difference ... also if you can over lay your previous results would be great!
having close to 380whp on pump gas is unreal ...

[MR. Birdie]

Goku that's correct, the only thing was added was a Gutted HFC and FMIC.

Here is the graph from my pervious set up without the Gutted HFC ( test pipe ) and FMIC.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9471/evodynopart2run1vg1.jpg

As you can see from the graph, I have the extact same SPOOL and make the same peak torque. But I gain torque and power everywhere! I think my clutch is starting to go already =P

[GokuSSJ4]

i guess you found the limitations of the stock FMIC ... 350whp would be the max, after that looking into a fmic should be consider.. good stuff! glad that it wasnt anything mayor, just the lack of supporting mods

[MR. Birdie]

I can actually pick up a 5-10whp by adding a high flowing exhaust manifold. :smitten: I love this power curve it just unreal. O0

[GokuSSJ4]

I can actually pick up a 5-10whp by adding a high flowing exhaust manifold. :smitten: I love this power curve it just unreal. O0
looks amazing!!!!
damn it! im suppost to leave my turbo alone LOL

[MR. Birdie]

hahah

[evorocks]

Birdie, what FMIC was used?

[Smogrunner]

Hey folks,
Alfred is going to try to set up a package that will include this FP Green/Buschur 20 turbo, intallation, and custom tune. The price should be better than what anyone could do piecing it together themselves. If you are interested, please let us know.

[evorocks]

smoggy, will this include cams etc...etc.....etc

[MR. Birdie]

Nice!

[G20]

Very nice power for 91 oct. I'm thinking of putting the same package on my 05 MR with the installation kit (additional $150).

[Smogrunner]

smoggy, will this include cams etc...etc.....etc


We can do it with or without cams. If you buy everything from TTech, there is more room for discounts...

[Smogrunner]

And we can do this upgrade to both Evo 8s and 9s.

[MR. Birdie]

Smoggy what else you think i can do to get close to 400whp. Damn im power hungry =P

[Smogrunner]

Smoggy what else you think i can do to get close to 400whp. Damn im power hungry =P


Well, like you said, you could try the o2 housing, you could put a TRUE test pipe on (as a hollowed out cat is more turbulent), Lighter brakes, lighter wheels and tires, and you could put an adjustable exhaust cam gear and adjust it a few degrees negative, you could also work on heat coating your exhaust, maybe try a 65mm throttle body...

[BHCevo]

Congrats on great numbers bro.

Can't believe a better fmic and gutted cat benefited this setup sooo much on pump gas. I just learned something important.

Maybe time to start upgrading my fmic and cat hehe.

The 20gLT looks identical to a 3076 on pump gas, up to 6.5k. here's a 3076 dyno http://www.socalevo.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=10954&pos=0. Now that's impressive

[atlvalet]

I will be talking to Alfred about this next weekend. I'm excited :)

[fusionchicken]

Hey folks,
Alfred is going to try to set up a package that will include this FP Green/Buschur 20 turbo, intallation, and custom tune. The price should be better than what anyone could do piecing it together themselves. If you are interested, please let us know.


+ ex. manifold...wow 400whp on 91 pisstane with a turbo that spools like stock...this thing turns me on.

[Smogrunner]

Hey folks,
Alfred is going to try to set up a package that will include this FP Green/Buschur 20 turbo, intallation, and custom tune. The price should be better than what anyone could do piecing it together themselves. If you are interested, please let us know.


I can't imagine getting more than another 15whp out of this setup on 91. That would be around 390whp, which would be remarkable due to its excellent spool-up.
+ ex. manifold...wow 400whp on 91 pisstane with a turbo that spools like stock...this thing turns me on.

[GokuSSJ4]

smoggy, will this include cams etc...etc.....etc


We can do it with or without cams. If you buy everything from TTech, there is more room for discounts...

im interested on that package (20FP Green/Buschur 20 turbo w/ cams) havent really determine whether cossie or GSC S1. Of course with tuning...

[MR. Birdie]

You guys owe me cash for all this money I invested to make this power happend for you people. =P

J/K.

[MR. Birdie]

Smoggy what else you think i can do to get close to 400whp. Damn im power hungry =P


Well, like you said, you could try the o2 housing, you could put a TRUE test pipe on (as a hollowed out cat is more turbulent), Lighter brakes, lighter wheels and tires, and you could put an adjustable exhaust cam gear and adjust it a few degrees negative, you could also work on heat coating your exhaust, maybe try a 65mm throttle body...


65mm throttle body, where can I find a good unit? Also I was looking into an exhaust manifold, which one would you recommend smoggy? I'm just looking toward something that let me keep the stock heat shield.

[GokuSSJ4]

Smoggy what else you think i can do to get close to 400whp. Damn im power hungry =P


Well, like you said, you could try the o2 housing, you could put a TRUE test pipe on (as a hollowed out cat is more turbulent), Lighter brakes, lighter wheels and tires, and you could put an adjustable exhaust cam gear and adjust it a few degrees negative, you could also work on heat coating your exhaust, maybe try a 65mm throttle body...


65mm throttle body, where can I find a good unit? Also I was looking into an exhaust manifold, which one would you recommend smoggy? I'm just looking toward something that let me keep the stock heat shield.

for exhaust mani, you can always have the stock one ported...
for throtle body contact Aby (WOT)

[MR. Birdie]

kool.

[GokuSSJ4]

he was able to gain around 8whp with the Throtle body.. not bad at all

[socalmr]

the works apertureII for the TB is good. you should get your exhaust and intake mani ported as well. get the ebay o2 housing and a manual boost controller and you should hit 400 on pump all day long.

[Luxury Broker]

vien pm WOT for the 65mm TB. He will hook it up

[fusionchicken]

Vien all this time i thought u had an o2 housing....stock ported ex. manifold seems to be the best, since u can still use the stock heatshield...damn a turbo that spools like stock with close to 400whp...must be fun as f**k

[MR. Birdie]

I have the Buschur 02 housing! Julio, i'll contact WOT and see what's up.

[MR. Birdie]

Vien all this time i thought u had an o2 housing....stock ported ex. manifold seems to be the best, since u can still use the stock heatshield...damn a turbo that spools like stock with close to 400whp...must be fun as f**k


Chicken, my first and second gear goes by so quick. 3rd and 4th gear pull are just nasty!

[EVOla_VIRUS]

Does TT have an opinion on the ex manifold? ie something like a gtspec over a ported unit?

[MR. Birdie]

what a GTspec?

[evo robert]

which FMIC was used?

[1WkdEvo]

what a GTspec?


http://www.jscspeed.com/evo/evo_base.html?/evo/exhaust/gtspec_evo_header.htm

Here you go Mr. Birdie.Â* Alfred, I believe that the person with the highest Stage 1 torgue numbers I have ever seen come from your shop on a IX had this right?Â* Everything I have ever read in intardnet land has said they don't do much, but the one result I have seen from Alfred has been very impressive.

[MR. Birdie]

Hey does that manifold let you obtain the stock heat shield?

[evo robert]

can you list your full mod list for reference?

[MR. Birdie]

20G-LT, 02 housing, licp, TBE, GSC S1 cams, 780cc injectors, 255lph fuel pump.

[1WkdEvo]

And MBC with new IC right?

[tommygun]

sweet numbers man isnt it nice having all that horsepower on 91 !

[MR. Birdie]

I'm on a EBC and forgot to mention Blitz FMIC.

[1WkdEvo]

Like I said, these numbers are great, but any thoughts on why peak wtq is where it is? I have seen quite a few stock IXs with basic mods make higher from Alfred. Still lovin the whp and curve, but just wondering???

Thanks

[atlvalet]

The bigger turbos have less torque compared to their horsepower than the smaller turbos, typically. But that torque curve stays fairly straight for a long time, not just a huge hump and then falling off into an abyss.

[1WkdEvo]

Agreed, I like the curve and it is more important than some huge peak number spike, just seemed odd to me that this peak was lower than some stock. Not just the difference between the hp and tq, but how this didn't change much from a stock IX.

Just curious, thanks for the input

[Alfred@TTech]

The peak boost on his stock turbo tune was 23psi. The peak boost on his first pump gas tune with the LT was also 23psi. This tune is on 22psi....why you ask? Well, the car was getting sensitive up top and if I chose not to increase the boost. The torque would have come up especially since that turbo come alive at about 23psi, but it would not have been a consistent and repeatable power-curve. So we made the same amount of torque as his last tune on 1 less psi.

Alfred

[Granny Shifter]

Nice! TT just racks out some fast cars.

[1WkdEvo]

Thanks Alfred, thanks helps explain it O0

[MR. Birdie]

Car has more in it!

[Granny Shifter]

So with this fp green turbo package, what kind of power would we see on an 8 with comparable mods.

[MR. Birdie]

Contact alfred at TT.

[Smogrunner]

So with this fp green turbo package, what kind of power would we see on an 8 with comparable mods.


You would see similar gains. Maybe a few whp less.

[xEviLxVIIIx]

Little Birdie, its time for 2.4L :mitsu:

[MR. Birdie]

I am curious on how this turbo respond to a 2.4 liter.

[GokuSSJ4]

mad TQ madness!!!

[MR. Birdie]

Saving up funds for a *possible 2.4 build with 20G set up*

[EvoPwr]

I am curious on how this turbo respond to a 2.4 liter.


probably spool 300-400 rpms sooner

[Luxury Broker]

you have now choice now vien !!! 2.4 all the way !!!

[MR. Birdie]

you have now choice now vien !!! 2.4 all the way !!!



LETS DO IT ! 400lbs of trqoue on pump gas ! give it to me!

[Luxury Broker]

talk with alfred if you are serious ... they built smogs motor for him. you also might save a pretty penny with a clutch install since they have to remove the transmisson anyways.

[MR. Birdie]

yeah, I think my clutch is already slipping julio! hahahaha. I need to atleast save for half of it.

[Evo8you]

Have fun on your 2.0 for now. get a dejon tool for you race gas tune and 32psi!!!!!!!.

See you later,

Paul

[MR. Birdie]

The car is fun right now, But can you image with a 2.3 liter? jessus!

[WOT]

I am curious on how this turbo respond to a 2.4 liter.
I plan on finding out within the next several months!

[GokuSSJ4]

I am curious on how this turbo respond to a 2.4 liter.
I plan on finding out within the next several months!
you finally decided to do it , hu?

i wish Senshi would dyno his car.. stock turbo + 2.4l bottom end..

[sspeed]

Hey folks,
Alfred is going to try to set up a package that will include this FP Green/Buschur 20 turbo, intallation, and custom tune. The price should be better than what anyone could do piecing it together themselves. If you are interested, please let us know.


I am very interested... Keep me posted.

[Smogrunner]

With a 2.3, the 20G LT would be too small IMHO. It would totally run out of its efficiency range on the top end.

[Luxury Broker]

would be one hell of a turbo set up for road racing !!

[Smogrunner]

Maybe for autocrossing...

[MR. Birdie]

Do they actaully have a 2.4 stroker kit now? 2.3 is still goood =)

[fusionchicken]

2.4L is a 4g64 so i dont think it's a stroker kit.... correct me if i'm wrong....

[EvoPwr]

2.4L is a 4g64 so i dont think it's a stroker kit.... correct me if i'm wrong....


You are correct.

[MR. Birdie]

I'm going to stick with the 2.3liter stroker. It seem to be more reliable instead of using a different block.

[fusionchicken]

damn vien, goin' 2.3 already? which turbo are u going to put on that? 3076?

there is a pretty good thread comparing the 2.4 to 2.3, should be in either the tech. or advanced tech section...

[GokuSSJ4]

I'm going to stick with the 2.3liter stroker. It seem to be more reliable instead of using a different block.
they both have seen great results! its more of a preference choice

[MR. Birdie]

2.3L + 20G-LT. I want to make over 450lbs of torque! hehehe

[Smogrunner]

2.3L + 20G-LT. I want to make over 450lbs of torque! hehehe


Vien, put the crack pipe down and check into rehab. Power is very addictive, but your car is plenty powerful and people from all over the country are looking at your results and wanting you exact same setup. Enjoy for a good long while before going further is the best advice I can give you.

[1WkdEvo]

Yeah, I mean we all want more power, which is why we love our cars (Potential) and why we all have empty wallets.Â* Drive this thing for as long as you can like this and have some other small adjustments made, when something starts to go wrong, then turn it into a positive by going stroker buddy

[MR. Birdie]

hehe smoggy =P

[GokuSSJ4]

2.3L + 20G-LT. I want to make over 450lbs of torque! hehehe


Vien, put the crack pipe down and check into rehab. Power is very addictive, but your car is plenty powerful and people from all over the country are looking at your results and wanting you exact same setup. Enjoy for a good long while before going further is the best advice I can give you.
LOL
right..... you can never have enough!
waiting on my new set of cams, and probably on doing the 20g L green turbo as well with ported TH and upgraded WGA. after that its stroker time!!! :)

[Luxury Broker]

what an addiction the evo's are ... can never have enough ...

[GokuSSJ4]

what an addiction the evo's are ... can never have enough ...
never!!!!

[1WkdEvo]

Which is why we love them so much. There is always something else to do, something new to get, more power to be had. The problem is that as we add power, each new mod yields a lower benefit to cost ratio. If only everything was as cheap as an exahust and yielded as much new power :-)

[GokuSSJ4]

Which is why we love them so much. There is always something else to do, something new to get, more power to be had. The problem is that as we add power, each new mod yields a lower benefit to cost ratio. If only everything was as cheap as an exahust and yielded as much new power :-)
i wish things would get easier when trying to achieve a bit more results with the stock turbo unit.. whether is modify or not... once you reached a certain level, things become double if not triple the price and not as much gains as at the begining when you started modding the car .. sad, sad ....

[fusionchicken]

almost the same for every car though...more power will always take more to get

[MR. Birdie]

Yeah it is true. More power = more money!

I been dreaming of the 2.3 stroker alot lately. =(

[EvoPwr]

2.3L + 20G-LT. I want to make over 450lbs of torque! hehehe


what type of clutch will you be running?

[MR. Birdie]

Twin plate baby!

[EvoPwr]

Twin plate baby!


brand? rps, exedy? carbon?

[MR. Birdie]

exedy probably.

[EvoPwr]

be sure to talk to smoggy

[sspeed]

Hey folks,
Alfred is going to try to set up a package that will include this FP Green/Buschur 20 turbo, intallation, and custom tune. The price should be better than what anyone could do piecing it together themselves. If you are interested, please let us know.


Anything packages been put together yet on this???

[GokuSSJ4]

probably not!
there always super busy... wish smoggy would post a lot more info and what things benefit from obtaining this things as a package and not as an individual item.

[*chris*]

ive bit my tongue for a long time now... but can we get a 'level' graph?

if you look at the graph, it reads HP on the left. and TQ on the right.
the top HP number is... 400
the top TQ number is... 350

[Spec R]

congrats birdie. Â*you've come a long way from your civic days havent you? try getting 376whp on 91 with a B-series to hook up...

[MR. Birdie]

Thanx yeah, this is really fun.

[malevlnt2]

damn it vien, i'm actually scared now.Â* i think it's time for me to change things up and stir the pot :?

congrats bro O0
viet

[MR. Birdie]

damn it vien, i'm actually scared now. i think it's time for me to change things up and stir the pot :?

congrats bro O0
viet


viet we need to go cruise and look for some v8 muscle to rape. C5 z06? hehe

[malevlnt2]

LoL ;)

[GokuSSJ4]

any updates on some of this packages that TT will put together?

[Smogrunner]

Great question Tomas. I know Alfred was going to sort out a deal, but may take the first person to just go in and do the whole package to figure out what it will cost for everyone else...

[GokuSSJ4]

what is the entire package?
20g L green turbo
cams (GSC S1)
+ labor and tuning ?

[Miss Evo8]

Dyno numbers are all fine and dandy but what is the REAL driveability with this thing? how is it when you are on/ off the throttle in real life situations... like traffic on the 110? how does it drive when your in 3rd gear at 1600 rpm? does it buck or jump around? can you hear the cams? does it idle like stock?

[GokuSSJ4]

Dyno numbers are all fine and dandy but what is the REAL driveability with this thing? how is it when you are on/ off the throttle in real life situations... like traffic on the 110? how does it drive when your in 3rd gear at 1600 rpm? does it buck or jump around? can you hear the cams? does it idle like stock?
cams and idle are mainly due to tuning .. im sure theres way around it!
also last time i check, at least on the IX's.. when the cossie cams were yet to be release, Adrian's car (Tweak's friend) didnt sound bad at all without tuning. so im sure the car once tune can have a stock alike idle ..

[Miss Evo8]

Dyno numbers are all fine and dandy but what is the REAL driveability with this thing? how is it when you are on/ off the throttle in real life situations... like traffic on the 110? how does it drive when your in 3rd gear at 1600 rpm? does it buck or jump around? can you hear the cams? does it idle like stock?
cams and idle are mainly due to tuning .. im sure theres way around it!
also last time i check, at least on the IX's.. when the cossie cams were yet to be release, Adrian's car (Tweak's friend) didnt sound bad at all without tuning. so im sure the car once tune can have a stock alike idle ..


that still does not answer my question about day to day driving.... WOT is all fine and dandy at the track but what about when u have to quiet that thing down when cruising past a cop? how is the driveability/ idle... noise level?

[GokuSSJ4]

are you referring as the entire package (cams and turbo) or just the turbo? last time people reported that this turbo doesnt have any serge problems.. driveability hasnt really been an issue...

[Miss Evo8]

are you referring as the entire package (cams and turbo) or just the turbo? last time people reported that this turbo doesnt have any surge problems.. driveability hasnt really been an issue...


what people? someone on EvoM? Bah! I want to know (really I do) how it is in day to day situations.... and yes meaning the cams turbo flux capacitor etc.... does that thing idle like stock? because if I am driving your car when you get these things I want to know if its gonna run just as it does now (quiet and stockish) or is it gonna be some loud V8 sounding beast... if I want that I will drive my car....

[Terry S]

Dyno numbers are all fine and dandy but what is the REAL driveability with this thing? how is it when you are on/ off the throttle in real life situations... like traffic on the 110? how does it drive when your in 3rd gear at 1600 rpm? does it buck or jump around? can you hear the cams? does it idle like stock?
cams and idle are mainly due to tuning .. im sure theres way around it!
also last time i check, at least on the IX's.. when the cossie cams were yet to be release, Adrian's car (Tweak's friend) didnt sound bad at all without tuning. so im sure the car once tune can have a stock alike idle ..


she asked for a report from someone with first hand knowledge, not intarweb experience salsa boi... ;)

Terry S

[Miss Evo8]

Dyno numbers are all fine and dandy but what is the REAL driveability with this thing? how is it when you are on/ off the throttle in real life situations... like traffic on the 110? how does it drive when your in 3rd gear at 1600 rpm? does it buck or jump around? can you hear the cams? does it idle like stock?
cams and idle are mainly due to tuning .. im sure theres way around it!
also last time i check, at least on the IX's.. when the cossie cams were yet to be release, Adrian's car (Tweak's friend) didnt sound bad at all without tuning. so im sure the car once tune can have a stock alike idle ..


she asked for a report from someone with first hand knowledge, not intarweb experience salsa boi... ;)

Terry S


Pwhuhaahaaa Salsa boi... I call him that too sometimes.. but hes a boY not a boI... ;)

[MR. Birdie]

Ok I'm here to answer the question. The car idle like stock! it does not make the loopy idle sound at the light. The turbo does not surge what so ever, I try it in 3rd-4th-5th-6th gear. I did part throttle and holding the RPM while building 15psi. Nothing what so ever and the car feels great. The Green turbo is much louder then the stock evo 9 turbo. All I can say is this turbo so far is a good pump gas turbo. It will probably max out at 430-450whp range on race gas.

[MR. Birdie]

Folsk there would be a update soon with a 65MM TB and AMS VSR Intake Manifold.

[Terry S]

Sweet. Update us when possible.

And in regards to the noise, wern't you running a stock cat through your 9 turbo vs. no cat for the LT? That might explain the difference (that and all the other mods vs. the stock turbo).

Terry S

[SoCal]

Hey folks,
Alfred is going to try to set up a package that will include this FP Green/Buschur 20 turbo, intallation, and custom tune. The price should be better than what anyone could do piecing it together themselves. If you are interested, please let us know.



Nice! Please pm me with price of cams and package deal with tune...reflassh etc...etc..! Thanks!! O0

[Granny Shifter]

Price on the turbo for me.

[livesports]

package price?