SayWhen's new tune = Sick torque

[Smogrunner]

SayWhen (aka Tad) removed his Xede (not knocking that product) and got a retune by Alfred on the ECUflash. Tad has an '05 with just a few basic bolt ons: stock block, head, stock intercooler, etc. Just cams, exhaust and a few other tid bits. He ran 11s in Vegas not too long ago. Like many '05's, Tads car can hold great peak boost, but it tapers like all stock turbos. So, at around 31psi here is the power he made on 110 leaded:

http://www.socalevo.net/gallery/albums/userpics/12178/normal_SAYWHEN.jpg


Here is the power he made on his last tune with the Xede at about 30psi:

http://www.socalevo.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10300/normal_Evo8%20TadM%203-06.jpg

[GokuSSJ4]

very interesting!!!!
have you guys tried this same thing on an IX ? ? ???

[Evo8you]

Nice :-o

[MR. Birdie]

405lbs oh my... GOOD JOB ALFRED!

[1of1000MR]

405 tq/lb!!! Those are some nice ass numbers. Congrats Tad and enjoy O0

[slorice]

Which tune will put down the better #s in the 1320 Smoggy? Call me and we will bet on our predictions.

[say when]

Thanks Tom for posting my results. My experience yesterday at TT was none other then top notch. I cannot thank Alfred and the rest of the shop enough for the way my car felt on the way home. TT was very busy yesterday and worked OT to get my car done and tuned. I know many of the employees started working at 9am, my car was done and off the dyno after 8pm. That is a long day and the results of the labors have made this owner very, very happy. I have had a strong evo for over 3 years and the one I drove home in last night felt so smooth and just scary fast going up highway 330 to my home. As far as what tune will be better in the 1/4... speculation is encouraged as I will be at Fontana sat morning to find out. Get your vote in now. Once again thank you to the crew at Tuning Technologies. The work and tuning coming out of that garage is absolutely underrated. O0

[Smogrunner]

11.8 at 116

[EvoJoe]

say when, you do have a strong Evo indeed. I remember a couple of months ago when I was at Fontana, one guy was telling the people around us that you were testing out the new turbo kit from Tuning Technologies. When I told him you were on the stock turbo, he just gave me that , yeah right look :2funny:. Anyway, good luck tomorrow at Fontana. You definitely had 11 second potential with your old tune at that track. This tune will get you there for sure. If I can't race tomorrow, I'll be out there next time.

[SoCal]

Nice! O0

[say when]

Thanks guys, I hope I can do the car justice tomorrow. I would like to see a 11.xx on the slip tomorrow. I'm getting excited. Later
Tad

[Boosted]

wow, that is impressive whoever tuned your car before must have been a real tool.

[Smogrunner]

wow, that is impressive whoever tuned your car before must have been a real tool.


That's funny. A few of us here at the shop like his old tune better as it made slightly better numbers later in the power band.

[say when]

The car was tuned completely different this time using an openecu flash instead of the xede product vishnu makes. As for the old tune that was with very basic bolt on's and the car was driven to a 11.9 in vegas with that tune. If you ask me it was a killer tune. The new tune has about 1.5% less hp 370 vs the old of 376 but has about 6.5% more tq 405 vs the old of 380. On the way home the car felt faster then the old tune. What ever the case I am happy with the way it feels. Tomorrow will be a good indicator as to the power of the car if I can drive well. The old and the new tune were both done by Alfred at Tuning Technologies O0

[say when]

Well Fontana was an all day event for 3 passes (there has got to be a better way). Anyway, the car ran perfect 3 straight passes. 11's didn't happen due to a few minor driving errors but the car was just silly consistant. My tune felt spot on. 3 passes with et's of 12.03, 12.03, and 12.07 with traps of 113, 114, 115. I was super happy with the way the car was running. I am going to vegas at the end of the month and will run the car then. Maybe a nice 11 will go up on the board. Big thanks to Tuning technologies for a car the was super consistant and a great runner all day. Thanks to Tom for all the help and for leaving me hanging with the clean up (just kidding), and all of the friends that were at the track running there evos. Seemed to be a very good showing for the evo's. Alot of good runners. Any comments or thoughts are welcomed.

[say when]

Was looking over the slips and I picked up 25-27 mph on the back end. Felt strong! What would you expect with basic bolt ons with race gas on the top end usually?

[Smogrunner]

Thanks to Tom for all the help and for leaving me hanging with the clean up (just kidding), and all of the friends that were at the track running there evos.

LOL. I gutted Tad's car before his final run then took off right afterwards with my son. I was thinking "better roll before it is time to put the car back together..." lol

[Evo8you]

I new something was up.

[Smogrunner]

I new something was up.


Paul, now you need to update your signature... Yer faster now.

[1of1000MR]

11's didn't happen due to a few minor driving errors but the car was just silly consistant. My tune felt spot on. 3 passes with et's of 12.03, 12.03, and 12.07 with traps of 113, 114, 115.


Damn, talk about consistency. Good job Tad

[slorice]

I new something was up.


Paul, now you need to update your signature... Yer faster now.

LMAOF! Paul now you can be like them big power SRT-4s and go around and run people from a roll because of traction issues.

[Evo8you]

I new something was up.


Paul, now you need to update your signature... Yer faster now.

Done!






I new something was up.


Paul, now you need to update your signature... Yer faster now.

LMAOF! Paul now you can be like them big power SRT-4s and go around and run people from a roll because of traction issues.

From 40mph!

[say when]

Just an update. I went to palmdale friday night to see how the car was running at 2700. Well, I pulled up took at the spare and on my pump ran a 12.8 at 104. I then put the race gas in and peeled of a 12.17 and 12.13 at 111. There was a slight wind in your face but not bad for palmdale. Car is running very good. Vegas in 2 weeks and I hope to see a repeat of the last time I raced there 11.9. Thanks for all your help Alfred.

[1of1000MR]

12.1 @ palmdale is impressive! Keep us updated Tad O0

[qwikrnu]

Your car is very impressive. You probably could of hit that 11.9 if they used more vht. I had some serious traction issues and it got worse as the night went on.

[say when]

Thanks guys, the track went downhill fast. My last pass was 12.33 no traction at all.

[Smogrunner]

Tad,
I have an idea (nothing brilliant) that I think well put you in the 11's with your current tune. I was thinking about your power curve and decided that everthing happens too early. Let's put cam gears on your car and dial them in at -2/-2 or maybe even a little more, like -2.5. It should move your powerbands sweet spot to where you can get considerably more usable power at between 6500 and 7800.

Whadaya say?

[say when]

Tom, Sounds good. I already have the cam gears, I have no idea what there set at. The were put on with the cams at 1k on the odometer and we have not touched them. Let me know what you think.
Tad

[GokuSSJ4]

12.1 @ palmdale is impressive! Keep us updated Tad O0
very impressive... something that at a different track with less altitude will see mid 11's impressive :)

[EvoJoe]

Great time Tad. I was going to go to LACR that Friday night but came down with a nasty cold. My nephew was running his Z-28 that night and said that the traction was horrible and just got worse as the evening progressed.

[say when]

Update, I am driving to Vegas in about an hour for a weekend of fun. I will be running my car at their track for the midnight mayhem. I previously had my personal best in vegas so I hope tonight is kind on the timer. Update to come.

[rino]

i say 11.7

[Smogrunner]

Tad? Update please?

[say when]

I wish I had good news to report. I was once again right there but the top end did help me. My best run was a 12.06 at 111. My highest trap was 112. Not sure what happened to the topend. I had fun and the car felt good. Sorry I didn't post earlier, my wife had her car she drove broken into that night we lost her purse, my passport 850, my laptop I use to log the zeitronix, and my kids game boy, dvd player. It sucked. Thiefs blow. Any suggestions into why 112 was all she had would be great.
Tad

[diegoalunan]

some bad ass tq power! nice!!!

[slorice]

I wish I had good news to report. I was once again right there but the top end did help me. My best run was a 12.06 at 111. My highest trap was 112. Not sure what happened to the topend. I had fun and the car felt good. Sorry I didn't post earlier, my wife had her car she drove broken into that night we lost her purse, my passport 850, my laptop I use to log the zeitronix, and my kids game boy, dvd player. It sucked. Thiefs blow. Any suggestions into why 112 was all she had would be great.
Tad

Look at graphs. It explains it all. Your prior tune pulled all the way to redline and the new tune has sick torque but falls off at 6500 rpms. I think me and others predicted old tune was better overall tune.

[BHCevo]

The dyno graphs have the later tune fall 10 ft-lbs short of the earlier tune above 6000 rpms.

Everywhere else the later tune has equal or better torque.

I don't think that this measurable but small torque deficit above 6k is the difference between a tune that "pulls all the way to redline" and one that doesn't.

10ft-lbs is noticeable but small on the butt dyno. Most people will consistently notice anything above a 15ft-lb torque difference.

That being said, during drag racing you almost always want to run the gears up all the way through redline, which means that as you run through your gears you mostly just stay in the 5k+ rpm range.

You know...shift at 2nd at 7.5k drop to 6k in 3rd, shift at 7.5k in 3rd then drop to 5.5k in 4th...my numbers are approximate but the point is that you never drop below 5.5k or whatever. So that 10ft-lbs really hurts.

In which case the midrange torque increase did nothing for him and the later tune had less torque at all rpms that are important for drag racing.

Perhaps try short-shifting some next time. That huge bump in torque might make up for the torque loss when going to a higher gear. Maybe.

The later tune would be a faster street tune, of course.

[slorice]

The dyno graphs have the later tune fall 10 ft-lbs short of the earlier tune above 6000 rpms.

Everywhere else the later tune has equal or better torque.

I don't think that this measurable but small torque deficit above 6k is the difference between a tune that "pulls all the way to redline" and one that doesn't.

10ft-lbs is noticeable but small on the butt dyno. Most people will consistently notice anything above a 15ft-lb torque difference.

That being said, during drag racing you almost always want to run the gears up all the way through redline, which means that as you run through your gears you mostly just stay in the 5k+ rpm range.

You know...shift at 2nd at 7.5k drop to 6k in 3rd, shift at 7.5k in 3rd then drop to 5.5k in 4th...my numbers are approximate but the point is that you never drop below 5.5k or whatever. So that 10ft-lbs really hurts.

In which case the midrange torque increase did nothing for him and the later tune had less torque at all rpms that are important for drag racing.

Perhaps try short-shifting some next time. That huge bump in torque might make up for the torque loss when going to a higher gear. Maybe.

The later tune would be a faster street tune, of course.


What? Bottom line is car pulls to redline on 1st tune and 2nd tune has some sick torque that can't compensate for the 1st tunes superior pull to redline.

[BHCevo]

I agree with you slorice.

Had to think it through a bit more formally is all.