View Full Version : Looks like e85 is coming to a neighborhood near you....
I nearly got whiplash as I cruised past a new gas station in Brentwood yesterday.Â* Offering e85 and biodiesel the place is called Conserv Fuel at 11699 San Vicente Blvd. West Los Angeles, CA 90049, 310-571-0039.
It's nestled near all the beautiful people, East of Wild Oats and West of California Pizza Kitchen and The Daily grill.Â* There's even a Starbucks 1 block away.
I called over there today to see if it was really true - The signs say e85.Â* I had my doubts becuase I read somewhere that the State Legislature made a deal with the oil companies - in exchange for offering clean burning California blends - e85 would be kept out of the state (I don't know what the mechanism was).
The guy who answered the phone said they do not have it now, but are applying to the California Air Resources Board to supply it.Â* They must have a good shot at it because this station is maybe 5 miles from the Governor's home, and it would be a big coup for him.Â* I know alternative energy is big for him.
He said they should have it in 2 to 3 weeks and they have big signs saying they offer it.
I know the fuel produces fewer miles per gallon, but turbocharged engines do well with the stuff.
My questions are for the tuners who have tuned with e85 or have a good working knowledge with it;
1)Â* Will 4g63/4's make as much power with e85 as the highest octane unleaded's like VP 109, F and L 105 or Sonoco 104?
2)Â* Are there side effects to such as corrosion to worry about?
3)Â* If we are running big injectors (1000cc for example) will e85 require anything other than a re-tune?
4)Â* How does e85 work with a smog test?Â* Are catalytic converters affected?Â* Would they even be required?
5)Â* Turbo sizes for both 4G63 and 4G64; considering efficiency ranges, what would be the biggest turbo you would want to run with ONLY this fuel?Â* For example, If you only run 91 octane, a 3076 would be all you would need because it will do the same work as a 35R and spool earlier at 21 PSI.Â* Will e85 require higher boost (I'm guessing the answer is yes)?
Thanks! O0
EvoJoe
08-05-2007, 10:02 PM
I've been considering a E-85 conversion but thought it would be quite a while before it would be available in L.A. I was unaware of the deal that California had with the Oil Companies, it figures :tickedoff:. I'll be keeping an eye on the E-85 possibilty and hope that it happens.
LiquidLife
08-06-2007, 01:21 PM
+1 on your questions, I want to know too.
Terry S
08-06-2007, 03:19 PM
Have you thought about calling Buschur for their advice on the e85 mechanical questions? The guy is making his own in his backyard and is running his race car on it...
Terry S
Have you thought about calling Buschur for their advice on the e85 mechanical questions? The guy is making his own in his backyard and is running his race car on it...
Terry S
Ohh the imagery, lol. David using moonshine to power his car. Do you have any hyperlinks?
I was hoping to hear from some of the local tuners, because if it is a local sale, and the cost is no more than regular gas, go fast turbo cars will be lined up around the block to get it if all you have to do is add injectors and change a map.
Found one;
http://buschurforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18389
http://buschurforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19327&page=4&highlight=fuel
Mods; I hope this is ok...
StockEVO
08-06-2007, 03:52 PM
You need to run some biggie injectors. At least 1000cc. And no you don't save any more money over conventional gasoline from using E85. And need a lot of tooning. I convert over to diesel before I run E85 in any of my vehicles.
Terenus
08-06-2007, 03:55 PM
I think Vishnu did a Evo E85 conversion.
LiquidLife
08-06-2007, 03:58 PM
What is he using to make the fuel with?
StockEVO
08-06-2007, 04:01 PM
Corn what else? If you ever been to Ohio, especially Wakeman. There is so much corn it's not even funny. They don't call Dave and his followers "Children of the Corn" for nothing.
LiquidLife
08-06-2007, 04:03 PM
I actually know other countries better than I do the U.S.... hahaha.
You need to run some biggie injectors. At least 1000cc. And no you don't save any more money over conventional gasoline from using E85. And need a lot of tooning. I convert over to diesel before I run E85 in any of my vehicles.
Hi Ty,
Race gas is at $8 to $10 and a PITA to get...
So you're not a big fan of e85? Â*Do you think it's overhyped?
If you had 35R, 4g63/4, 1000's, AEM EMS maps set for Kill with race gas leaded/unleaded, would you need anything else besides gas and toooooooooon?
I'd ride my bike before I'd convert to diesel ;P
StockEVO
08-06-2007, 04:13 PM
I couldn't find any E85 out here especially out in the IE. I was thinking now if the big 3 would developed a vehicle that would run off on meth. The other meth (crack rocks). That would be sooooo koool. Because you know there are more meth dealers out here than there are mexicans. :uglystupid2:
I couldn't find any E85 out here especially out in the IE. I was thinking now if the big 3 would developed a vehicle that would run off on meth. The other meth (crack rocks). That would be sooooo koool. Because you know there are more meth dealers out here than there are mexicans. :uglystupid2:
Ok, but let's say for discussion this is a political reality now. The Westside crowd will be rolling up to your door for conversions within a month or two from when they start selling it which could be next week.
How easy will it be? will double walbros be required, plugs? Gaps etc..?
atlvalet
08-06-2007, 04:30 PM
I think Barack Obama spoke at the Conserv station a few months back. E85 is cool. I think 1000cc injectors for stock-ish turbo guys, and 1600cc's for bigger turbos than that.
When it's available more places, I will run it. I can't afford to get tuned on E85, and then be unable to fill up on it if I have to drive somewhere far away :D
I think Barack Obama spoke at the Conserv station a few months back. E85 is cool. I think 1000cc injectors for stock-ish turbo guys, and 1600cc's for bigger turbos than that.
When it's available more places, I will run it. I can't afford to get tuned on E85, and then be unable to fill up on it if I have to drive somewhere far away :D
One of those buscher links looked like a 35R running 1000 cc's with a modified fuel pump. That would make sense if the volume were 30 percent more.
If you drive further, replace the map and turn down the boost when you refill.
IXMREVO
08-06-2007, 05:12 PM
wasnt there a website dedicated to the evo using e85? It was evo85 or something like that do a search there was a thread about it
atlvalet
08-07-2007, 09:59 AM
I think Barack Obama spoke at the Conserv station a few months back. E85 is cool. I think 1000cc injectors for stock-ish turbo guys, and 1600cc's for bigger turbos than that.
When it's available more places, I will run it. I can't afford to get tuned on E85, and then be unable to fill up on it if I have to drive somewhere far away :D
One of those buscher links looked like a 35R running 1000 cc's with a modified fuel pump. That would make sense if the volume were 30 percent more.
Modified Buschur Walbro or a double pump set-up?
I can't wait until there are multiple E85 stations. 28psi on my DD. Gotta love that there corn :D
Here is a thread about a guy who has run it for 9000 + miles in his wrx:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803341
Setting up an aem ems for this doesn't look too bad :)
Granny Shifter
08-07-2007, 10:06 AM
why not go with methanol injection instead?
Let's see: lose significant fuel savings, probably slightly more power with e85 and meth on a car you want to track is silly. Why add a whole additional layer of things that could go wrong to your fuel system? The kits are better than they used to, but not suitable for running at the track. You have electrical connections, another tank of flammable liquid in your trunk, another pump that could fail and then it still needs to be setup and tuned right.
E85 could get you to 104 unleaded power levels + much cheaper than race gas costs
LiquidLife
08-07-2007, 10:12 AM
gt, more power with e85?????????????????????
i found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating
Meth is around 107 if this is correct.Â* Injecting a small amount of 107 meth to 91 in a 10-12/1 ratio should result in a lower octane rating than 104-105 octane that e85 is rated at.Â*
Someone can test this I am sure but the cost is higher in any case.Â* Injectors change or fpr to bump 30% more fuel into the motor+ tuning should work.Â* e85 should be cheaper than 91.Â* Meth is kinda expensive too at 8+ dollars a gallon.
I am going to guess I can get more timing into my motor with e85 than with meth injection so I will hazard a guess that e85 will be better than meth injection.Â* Staight meth would own both probably but that is a different ball game and set of issues.Â* Meth is corrosive compared to e85 in any case...
LiquidLife
08-07-2007, 10:47 AM
how corrosive is e85
LiquidLife
08-07-2007, 11:01 AM
This sounds like a good freakin' deal, switching over to e85... I can't wait to hear the results.
Terenus
08-07-2007, 11:48 AM
So people don't get confused, you need to put in 12 Gallons of E85 and 2 Gallons of Unleaded Fuel. You can't just dump in all E85.
Uh, E85 already has 15% gasoline, hence the 85. So you need more gasoline still? Just wondering since your 2 to 12 is also close to the 15%.
LiquidLife
08-07-2007, 12:24 PM
Yeah I read that about e85 too, 85% Ethenol, and 15% gas.
LiquidLife
08-07-2007, 01:31 PM
If they ship jugs to you of e85 that do not contain gas, then it isn't e85
camMCLEAN
08-07-2007, 01:36 PM
go to that dudes website that is like obsessed with e85...
e85evo.com
LiquidLife
08-07-2007, 01:42 PM
the only problem with this that really bothers me is the fact that it's illegal without having the gov approve it on your Evo...
Everyone has illegal mods, but if I ever have to go to the ref, I'd rather not replace my fuel system and some other parts, on top of every other illegal mod that's in my car... uhg....
If it wasn't for the man, just like anything though, this would be awesome.
E85 is only corrosive to your fuel lines. I believe AMS has created a E85 kit already, but I don't know if testing is done yet. I will let you guys know, since I am switching over to E85 in Dec. with one other member. BTW they deliver E85 to your house if you want for like $2.50 a gallon, but only in like 10 gallon jugs.
E85 is NOT corrosive to our fuel lines. The "E" in E85 stands for Ethanol or wood alcohol. It is pretty benign compared to Methanol, which is corrosive. I do not know of any company shipping actual E85, although you may be able to get some form of ethanol shipped. E85 is a specific formulation so mixing it yourself will likely result in varied results compared to what you can (hopefully) buy at the pump.
TeKiZeRo
08-07-2007, 08:33 PM
Would running E85 technically make your car smog exempt since it burns cleaner?
Terenus
08-07-2007, 08:41 PM
Would running E85 technically make your car smog exempt since it burns cleaner?
That would be interesting to see, but instead of being exempt you can maybe run E85 when you do your smog and run cleaner?
TeKiZeRo
08-07-2007, 10:17 PM
Or be smog exempt and run all the bling you want under the hood :D.
Terenus
08-07-2007, 10:22 PM
Or be smog exempt and run all the bling you want under the hood :D.
Haha, how do you even get your car exempt? Is it even possible?
TeKiZeRo
08-07-2007, 11:07 PM
That's what I would like to figure out! If E85 could burn clean enough for you to be smog exempt. But even if it burns clean enough, what about the visuals?
funks
08-07-2007, 11:12 PM
can e85 be mixed with 91 pisstane gas to increase the octane level?
will
107 * 2 gals + 91 * 10 gals = 1124 / 12 gals := 93.6 octane?
JOOTZ
08-07-2007, 11:14 PM
e85.com for a filling station near you
chevy is advertising here in cali already
just saw it in the boobtube a while ago
so i guess its coming our way
http://www.e85refueling.com/locations.php?state=CACalifornia&PHPSESSID=a39d8396121ddb0b3c3f42f06bb37552
Livermore, West LA, San Diego, Lompoc.
But how many are actually selling it to the public NOW?
atlvalet
08-07-2007, 11:30 PM
More E85 stations are coming. GM has funded like 13 stations IIRC (because of their flex fuel vehicles).
A lot of the benefit of the E85 is the cooling (evaporative) ability of the alcohol. Approx 105 octane, but some guys feel it's even more beneficial than many racing fuels.
Check out Pacific Ethanol (PEIX). THe Western US is about to have a large increase in ethanol capacity.
Soon, there will be more E85 stations here. It's gonna happen.
http://www.conservfuel.com/
vortech_g35
08-08-2007, 12:19 AM
Good information here.
can e85 be mixed with 91 pisstane gas to increase the octane level?
will
107 * 2 gals + 91 * 10 gals = 1124 / 12 gals := 93.6 octane?
Yes, it would increase octane and cooling effects.Â* Straight E85 is likely to be cheaper than 91 gas and you can make a lot more power than your mix you are thinking of.
On another note, this looks encouraging: http://www.e85refueling.com/distance.php?page=1
my suburban run on e85...but i read somewhere e85 you dpnt get better mpgs....theres no e85 around here...
TeKiZeRo
08-08-2007, 02:22 PM
You don't get better mpg on e85 because you need to flow a lot more of it.
4G63 FEVER
08-08-2007, 02:37 PM
^ Has nothing to do with flow. It is NOT as thermally efficient as gasoline meaning not as many BTU's are produced.
TeKiZeRo
08-08-2007, 02:47 PM
Isn't that why you have pump more of it in your engine? Larger injectors, bigger fuel pumps, etc.
Terenus
08-08-2007, 02:58 PM
Anyone know how the stock Evo will react to the E85? As in stock fuel system.
LiquidLife
08-08-2007, 03:02 PM
wikipedia said that an e85 factory tested a stock SUV for like 140,000 miles and had research done to it to see if there had been any damage. They said the lines and the fuel system actually looked better and cleaner than a lot of autos running on gas.
TeKiZeRo
08-08-2007, 03:06 PM
Anyone want to calculate how much money it costs for a SUV to run 140,000 miles on E85? :P
Terenus
08-08-2007, 03:12 PM
http://trucks.about.com/cs/suvreviews/a/04_ford_fuel.htm
Check this out.
TeKiZeRo
08-08-2007, 03:16 PM
Ouch, I didn't think it would affect it that much. I still would like to know about smog exemption though.
Do not post whore or go ot in tuning or tech threads. Contribute or ask a meaningful question.
cleaned :police:
Terenus
08-09-2007, 01:22 AM
http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/flexfuelvehicles.php
I guess stock Evos aren't able to run it, but maybe with a tune?
atlvalet
08-09-2007, 11:28 AM
You would need a tune and bigger injectors + FP.
You would need a walbro and biggie injectors + a way to tune the fuel when you run e85. An safc with specific settings for e85 could work in conjunction to ecu+ /flash etc.
The thing is you can't just run e85 without a dedicated tune for it. Folks with an AEM EMS are natural for this because you just load the other map and don't have to change anything else other than making sure you have adequate injector size and a walbro
Terenus
08-09-2007, 11:41 AM
Ahh that's right, forgot about the extra fuel you need for E85.
vortech_g35
08-09-2007, 12:33 PM
Yes, I've heard you must be tuned for E85 just like those big flex fuel trucks which can switch over maps depending on what fuel you use.
StockEVO
08-09-2007, 03:14 PM
The Walbro 255 is not enough if you plan on running high boost. Walbro 255 with a Bosch inline, SX/Aeromotive FPR, and 1600cc injectors to play it safe (25psi +) on E85.
vortech_g35
08-09-2007, 07:29 PM
Whoa, I thought 1000 would be good enough if not 1200.
I will be logging this with the ems as soon as it becomes available. I am guessing 25-27 psi with my 1000cc is max. Then again, I don't plan on running more than that.
Skiracer
08-09-2007, 09:49 PM
EvoM just started a section on E85. I'm sure other states have more experience with e85 since the stuff is hard to find in SoCal
http://forums.evolutionm.net/forumdisplay.php?f=225
Here's someone selling a "kit" for E85 conversion:
http://www.e85evo.com/evo.html
StockEVO
08-10-2007, 08:08 PM
By clicking on the above link. You waiver all rights to sue the blind for giving you wrong directions.
funks
08-11-2007, 09:40 PM
Has anybody used that e85evo kit? I hope somebody releases a tune for a stock car with 10 gallons of 91 mixed in with 2 gallons of e85..
( 2 x 105 + 10 x 91 ) / 12 = 93.3 octane.
reading the other forums, even with a slight mixture like the above, some tuning is already required.
vortech_g35
08-12-2007, 10:55 AM
By clicking on the above link. You waiver all rights to sue the blind for giving you wrong directions.
ROFL!
That guy in the evo85 link isn't doing the community any favors.Â* Pushing stuff for sale vs. real solutions.Â* I can't wait to tune for this and see what is really up.Â* I spoke with MikeW and he thought I might be able to get away with my 1000cc injectors fpr turned up a bit and my walbro.Â*
Only one way to see though:Â* logging with the ems shows the way...
atlvalet
08-14-2007, 12:27 PM
I think there is more than 1 way to skin a cat...
I have read people reporting good results with the twin fuel pump setup. GT40, it will be interesting to see your results with the FPR.
When (not if) I run E85, I plan on trying the twin pump + 1000cc Densos to see where that gets me on my Green. Plan on 28psi spike tapering to 24 or so (or course, things may change when the real tuning actually happens and is contingent on the knock resistance of the fuel).
Granny Shifter
08-14-2007, 04:32 PM
any projections on your power output gt40?
leaveit2bevo
08-15-2007, 11:26 AM
That guy in the evo85 link isn't doing the community any favors. Pushing stuff for sale vs. real solutions. I can't wait to tune for this and see what is really up. I spoke with MikeW and he thought I might be able to get away with my 1000cc injectors fpr turned up a bit and my walbro.
Only one way to see though: logging with the ems shows the way...
do it mark I expect it to be ready when I come down for a mam visit! hahah
Skiracer
08-15-2007, 03:58 PM
That guy in the evo85 link isn't doing the community any favors.Â* Pushing stuff for sale vs. real solutions.Â* I can't wait to tune for this and see what is really up.Â* I spoke with MikeW and he thought I might be able to get away with my 1000cc injectors fpr turned up a bit and my walbro.Â*
Only one way to see though:Â* logging with the ems shows the way...
do it mark I expect it to be ready when I come down for a mam visit! hahah
mam visit??
The car is supposed to be done Friday. I don't know when the station is going to have E85 though
Update:
Called the station and spoke to someone there.Â* They are still finishing the application process.Â* He referred me to their website and said it should be "a couple of more weeks for CARB to approve us."Â*
Here is the site:Â* http://conservfuel.com/about/cfstory
TeKiZeRo
08-17-2007, 07:42 AM
Ohhh, nice!
mplspilot
08-21-2007, 11:34 AM
The Walbro 255 is not enough if you plan on running high boost. Walbro 255 with a Bosch inline, SX/Aeromotive FPR, and 1600cc injectors to play it safe (25psi +) on E85.
Not correct. At least for smaller turbos. If you run GT42, maybe you will upgraded pump and huge injex.
I have been running E85 all summer. It is AWESOME stuff. Cept for mileage.
One 255 walbro, stock rail/fpr, 1000cc injectors, 28 pounds of boost on my stock 9.8 8 turbo (untill i get the green). Self tuned on stock ecu.
Car is a rocket, but you gotta pay with frequent fillups. I get round 180 miles from one tank.
In any case it is a lot better than running meth/alky, because you don't have to worry about safety. It is not only high octane, but it cools the charge tremendously allowing for more power to be made, it burns similarly fast to gas but allows for slightly more timing to be run, and it contains more energy than gas in the mixture. (because there's more of e85 in the mix, even though it has less BTU's per unit. E85's stoich is round 9.78 as opposed to gas' 14.7)
In a nutshell, call you rep in the local gov't and GET IT!
EvoJoe
08-21-2007, 02:09 PM
^^
Do you live in the L.A area and if so where are you getting your E85?
mplspilot
08-21-2007, 02:18 PM
No, sorry, i thought location shows by the name...
In minnesota for now.
LiquidLife
08-21-2007, 02:19 PM
The Walbro 255 is not enough if you plan on running high boost. Walbro 255 with a Bosch inline, SX/Aeromotive FPR, and 1600cc injectors to play it safe (25psi +) on E85.
Not correct. At least for smaller turbos. If you run GT42, maybe you will upgraded pump and huge injex.
I have been running E85 all summer. It is AWESOME stuff. Cept for mileage.
One 255 walbro, stock rail/fpr, 1000cc injectors, 28 pounds of boost on my stock 9.8 8 turbo (untill i get the green). Self tuned on stock ecu.
Car is a rocket, but you gotta pay with frequent fillups. I get round 180 miles from one tank.
In any case it is a lot better than running meth/alky, because you don't have to worry about safety. It is not only high octane, but it cools the charge tremendously allowing for more power to be made, it burns similarly fast to gas but allows for slightly more timing to be run, and it contains more energy than gas in the mixture. (because there's more of e85 in the mix, even though it has less BTU's per unit. E85's stoich is round 9.78 as opposed to gas' 14.7)
In a nutshell, call you rep in the local gov't and GET IT!
Wow, nice. Â*Frequent fill ups, but E85 costs less doesn't it? Â*Do you have any idea how much power you are running?
vortech_g35
08-21-2007, 02:21 PM
Very interesting :D.
mplspilot
08-21-2007, 02:54 PM
Wow, nice. Frequent fill ups, but E85 costs less doesn't it? Do you have any idea how much power you are running?
It costs around 50-70 cents cheaper than regular. So running it costs around the same as running premium, just gotta fill er up more often.
DLL shows round 360-370hp with 272's and regular supporting mods. I was getting 320 or so before conversion. Sorry don't have 1/4 numbers...
Edit: I also added a cone filter and a bigger fmic, so that probably added slightly to the power gains. And i can't wait to stick a bigger turbo in there instead of my suffocating stocker to really get all the gain up top. But the torque out on the street with my quick spool is SWEET!
leaveit2bevo
08-21-2007, 07:41 PM
well fuck I get around 180-200 a tank on normal 91 doesnt seem to bad to me.
LiquidLife
08-21-2007, 07:59 PM
I hope to hear more things on E85, sounds great!
ohhgyeahfasho
08-21-2007, 09:34 PM
i heard that theres a gas station that sells E85 in San Diego called Pearsons Fuels (4067 El Cajon Boulevard) can someone confirm this? :D
Granny Shifter
08-22-2007, 08:35 PM
i wonder if the market for it will grow. i don't want to jump the gun to an alternate fuel source unless it is quite abundant around where i live.
LiquidLife
08-23-2007, 08:42 AM
I second that, but it sounds awesome! I hope that it does become popular.
StockEVO
08-23-2007, 10:36 AM
Everyone hurry up and jump on the bandwagon.
1WkdEvo
08-23-2007, 10:41 AM
Now that Ty has approved I am on the band wagon, tally ho
StockEVO
08-23-2007, 10:49 AM
1WkdEvo, drop it off early in the morning or Friday night if you can. I got some jackhammering to do Saturday. Going to rip a section of my front driveway out and I don't want the shrapnel knicking up the G-ride.
1WkdEvo
08-23-2007, 02:53 PM
It will be so, Ill get it there tomorrow afternoon.
Sean penn
11-22-2007, 11:24 PM
did this fuel cum out yet?
Terenus
11-23-2007, 08:29 AM
did this fuel cum out yet?
From a penis?
Yes, it is available in certain areas.
Evolutionized
11-24-2007, 10:05 PM
^^ LOL
Sean penn
11-24-2007, 10:21 PM
Yes, it is available in certain areas.
where though?
I just called conserv fuel and they have e85 at the pump! Price= $2.97 a gallon. Here's a link with their address and info: http://www.conservfuel.com/
It looks like santa came early:)
I hope to have a tune done in the next week. Results to follow...
EvoJoe
12-24-2007, 12:12 PM
Nice Fine!! gt40. Looking forward to seeing your results. I hope to do the change to E85 sometime in 2008.
I just called conserv fuel and they have e85 at the pump! Price= $2.97 a gallon. Here's a link with their address and info: http://www.conservfuel.com/
It looks like santa came early:)
I hope to have a tune done in the next week. Results to follow...
DUUUUUUUUUUUUDE! Great news. I want a ride!
I called last week and the guy said 1 week. Just like he told me 2 weeks at the beginning of this thread, lol
If it works, this will be the equivelent of $3.40 regular with 115 octane.
Could this be so long to VP 109, F & L 105 at $10/gal?
smokinevo9
12-24-2007, 01:39 PM
so is this e85 pretty much the same as 110........................
so is this e85 pretty much the same as 110........................
Hi Mon,
It's 85% ethonol, 15% gas.Â* It burns cooler, creates less knock and lets you run more timing and boost iirc, like 115 octane.Â* It's renewable, domestically produced and some say you only go 70 to 85 percent as far as you would with an equal amount of gas.Â* Air/fuel ratios are denser so you need more of it per stroke.Â*
It burns cleaner and has a lower carbon footprint and is unleaded.Â* You will need bigger injectors and possibly a bigger fuel pump, although that's debateable.
GT40 has bigger injectors and a Walbro 255 (I think), his turbo is a modified 35R so we'll know pretty quickly how well this stuff works.Â*
There has been a lot written on it on other sites if you care to Google.Â*
There are old school guys who say the alcohol in ethonol corodes the parts it comes in contact with, although that may be a wives tale - methonal had that issue, not ethonol.
I just picked up 10 gallons of e85 at the conserv fuel gas station on san vicente in brentwood.Â* No problems- they had it at the pump.Â* You have to pay at the cashier and they just ask if your car is "flex fuel" :)Â* 2.97 a gallon sure beats the 110 leaded race gas that I am hoping I can replace with this.Â*
With scot G's help, I have scaled my 110 map on the aem ems and I already had 1000cc injectors and biggie fuel pump. Wide band tuning should be shooting for "13's" because of the calibration difference and tuning mostly by knock to start by logging everything.
Going to work up a basic tune today and hopefully dyno next week or so ...
What does the fuel smell like?
1WkdEvo
12-30-2007, 10:42 AM
Thanks for the for update, looking forward to more info along with the change in gas mileage to gauge the real cost savings.
I've seen numbers on Evom or Buscher forums that show about 10 to 15 percent lower fuel mileage. Not enough to overcome the cost of $10/gallon race fuel.
I started by putting 5 gallons in the tank with just over a gallon of 91 left. Just got back from doing a few pulls. Car only needed minor tweaks from roughed out e85 map to idle and run perfect. First pulls had no missfire and pulled strong to 7500. AFR was stable on the log and no major knock. I just poured another 5 gallons of e85 in and will tune in earnest now.
As far as smell, the car doesn't have much smell compared to straight 91 and a blownout cat with a tad of sweetness is all. Big improvement overall.
Skiracer
12-30-2007, 01:25 PM
wow, i can't wait to go for a ride in your car mark...
LiquidLife
01-03-2008, 09:28 AM
show me the money
biggiesacks
01-04-2008, 09:42 PM
Finally! I have been waiting for this fuel for a while, So does anyone know safe storage practices with this fuel? Brentwood is far so i would want to pick up alot at a time. Im wondering if there is anything to worry about having this stuff sitting around for a while. For example will the Ethanol and Gasoline stay in mixture or will they seperate requiring a stir before refueling?
Well, I keep 55 gallon drums of race gas, acetelyne and other solvents in my garage.Â* Basically, store in a cool dry place away from spark, flame or other ignition sources. As far as "stirring", no you do not need to do anything but pour the fuel in your tank.
http://www.socalevo.net/gallery/albums/uploads/gt40/normal_race_gas.jpg
smokinevo9
01-04-2008, 11:17 PM
so is this e85 pretty much the same as 110........................
Hi Mon,
It's 85% ethonol, 15% gas. It burns cooler, creates less knock and lets you run more timing and boost iirc, like 115 octane. It's renewable, domestically produced and some say you only go 70 to 85 percent as far as you would with an equal amount of gas. Air/fuel ratios are denser so you need more of it per stroke.
It burns cleaner and has a lower carbon footprint and is unleaded. You will need bigger injectors and possibly a bigger fuel pump, although that's debateable.
GT40 has bigger injectors and a Walbro 255 (I think), his turbo is a modified 35R so we'll know pretty quickly how well this stuff works.
There has been a lot written on it on other sites if you care to Google.
There are old school guys who say the alcohol in ethonol corodes the parts it comes in contact with, although that may be a wives tale - methonal had that issue, not ethonol.
thanks brett for the info..................
blkside
01-04-2008, 11:56 PM
Damn that pisses me off cause I went there last month and they hadnt filled the E85 and the poor UAV Burban wanted some flex. I guess I will grab some when I head out that way again. And just so its a comparison... E85 in clarksville Tenn is roughtly 1.95 a gallon. Were still getting fucked in the ass
Skiracer
01-05-2008, 12:09 AM
Damn that pisses me off cause I went there last month and they hadnt filled the E85 and the poor UAV Burban wanted some flex. I guess I will grab some when I head out that way again. And just so its a comparison... E85 in clarksville Tenn is roughtly 1.95 a gallon. Were still getting fucked in the ass
I'm sure shipping costs has a lot to do with the high price...
Damn that pisses me off cause I went there last month and they hadnt filled the E85 and the poor UAV Burban wanted some flex. I guess I will grab some when I head out that way again. And just so its a comparison... E85 in clarksville Tenn is roughtly 1.95 a gallon. Were still getting fucked in the ass
http://e85prices.com/
http://www.cleanairchoice.org/outdoor/PriceForum.asp?ViewAll
Guess we need a little competition, but it's still a far cry from race fuel and about what you'll pay for 91 when you factor in the mileage. only downside is you have to stop more frequently to fill up if it's in your flight path. Race gas is even more of pain because you have to deal with the pails and filling.
atlvalet
01-05-2008, 01:15 PM
Damn that pisses me off cause I went there last month and they hadnt filled the E85 and the poor UAV Burban wanted some flex. I guess I will grab some when I head out that way again. And just so its a comparison... E85 in clarksville Tenn is roughtly 1.95 a gallon. Were still getting fucked in the ass
Pacific Ethanol has a few plants here in California. Shipping shouldn't be too much of an issue.
I'm sure shipping costs has a lot to do with the high price...
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