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STIH8TER
04-21-2009, 03:01 AM
Hey wassup guys. I know my questions seems blunt but this is my essay question I must answer and get feedback's from random people. I am with a group of students working on this essay but this is my topic question. Here is our introduction to our essay.

Immigration is the act of immigrating; coming into a country for the purpose of living in as a residence. We all know what it means. But, should we question about immigration? What is immigration reform and do we need it? How should we treat our immigrants? Do we create hate with immigration reform? Are we becoming a country of refugees? Are we dependant on immigrant workers? These are some of the questions we might ask ourselves and our neighbors if we need a change to a better or proactive way of dealing with immigration.


If you are legal or illegal you may answer. I don't need to know if you are. If you don't want anyone else looking at your answer just PM me instead. Thanks guys I'll be looking foward to reading what you think about immigration. Peace.

ev0ninerr
04-21-2009, 03:04 AM
I'd treat that like an anthropology question and go from there. You'll have one sick essay if you do that.

TLOGGINS
04-21-2009, 03:55 AM
immigration is perfectly fine as long as they do it legally.Â* its the illegal ones that are f***ing us up. :tickedoff: yeah they do some of the jobs that most people don't wanna do but there are many CITIZENS out there during these times that would just be greatful to have the job. many people say that getting rid of the illegal immigrants that are working on the farms mainly would drive up the price of food significantly.Â* this is not true however.Â* even if we did manage to eliminate all illegal immigrant labor it wouldnt be all at once and the price would only rise by cents and not dollars.Â* most people wouldnt even notice the minor rise in price.Â* wut we need to do is get rid of the stupid laws like in LA were a police officer cannot arrest and deport someone just for being illegal. :uglystupid2: they would have the commit some kind of crime.Â* so get rid of these dumb laws so the cops can actually arrest them for being illegal and we can deport them and free up all of the welfare that they are collecting by coming over here and having there kids allowing them to stay. so as i said in the beginning, as long as they do it LEGALLY, immigration is fine and actually welcome.

STIH8TER
04-21-2009, 10:09 AM
That was a good feedback. ^^ Thanks. Anymore want to comment on this?

STIH8TER
04-21-2009, 10:13 AM
I'd treat that like an anthropology question and go from there. You'll have one sick essay if you do that.


Yea I know what you are talking about but that isn't where I'm tryin to go. Do you mean go way back when immigration was just beginning or when it started? That will be a long essay lol. But I'm doing a rather just now, the present day.

CRX2EVO
04-21-2009, 10:22 AM
Your intro needs help

yobless
04-21-2009, 11:32 AM
immigration is perfectly fine as long as they do it legally.Â* its the illegal ones that are f***ing us up. :tickedoff: yeah they do some of the jobs that most people don't wanna do but there are many CITIZENS out there during these times that would just be greatful to have the job. many people say that getting rid of the illegal immigrants that are working on the farms mainly would drive up the price of food significantly.Â* this is not true however.Â* even if we did manage to eliminate all illegal immigrant labor it wouldnt be all at once and the price would only rise by cents and not dollars.Â* most people wouldnt even notice the minor rise in price.Â* wut we need to do is get rid of the stupid laws like in LA were a police officer cannot arrest and deport someone just for being illegal. :uglystupid2: they would have the commit some kind of crime.Â* so get rid of these dumb laws so the cops can actually arrest them for being illegal and we can deport them and free up all of the welfare that they are collecting by coming over here and having there kids allowing them to stay. so as i said in the beginning, as long as they do it LEGALLY, immigration is fine and actually welcome.


Actually your welfare argument is pretty wrong...do some research on the welfare reform act signed by then Pres. Bill Clinton.Â* You'll even see that former mayor of New York Giuliani opposed the act even though he's Republican.Â* I'm not at all claiming that the current welfare system is "perfect" but it did undergo a mayor overhaul and since the acts inception, welfare use and fraud has declined.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20682
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/22/opinion/22clinton.html
http://rpc.senate.gov/releases/1999/wf080599.htm

And put up some facts to back up your statements, just stating things without some back up is moot.Â* This dude needs sources for his paperÂ* :D

S2myEVO
04-21-2009, 11:39 AM
i think he needs welfare on his essay.

yobless
04-21-2009, 11:44 AM
i think he needs welfare on his essay.


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S2myEVO
04-21-2009, 12:04 PM
^^^LOL!!!!!!!!

Blaze
04-21-2009, 01:42 PM
Are you asking us to write your school paper?

:?

GokuSSJ4
04-21-2009, 01:49 PM
Are you asking us to write your school paper?

:?


DO IT!!!!

TLOGGINS
04-21-2009, 02:46 PM
Actually your welfare argument is pretty wrong...do some research on the welfare reform act signed by then Pres. Bill Clinton.Â* You'll even see that former mayor of New York Giuliani opposed the act even though he's Republican.Â* I'm not at all claiming that the current welfare system is "perfect" but it did undergo a mayor overhaul and since the acts inception, welfare use and fraud has declined.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20682
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/22/opinion/22clinton.html
http://rpc.senate.gov/releases/1999/wf080599.htm

And put up some facts to back up your statements, just stating things without some back up is moot.Â* This dude needs sources for his paperÂ* :D


hes not asking us for sources. he's asking us for our opinion on his intro. if he wants sources, he and his group can look them up. we are here merely to tell him wut we think and maybe give him some more ideas to think about for his essay. im not saying that everything that i wrote previously was 100% true and factual. i gave my opinion on a couple of topics that i thought interesting that i was taking from memory on a similar essay i did about 3 years ago. i dont have the essay currently so i dont have sources to back it up. as i said im just recalling from my memory. thank you tho on the helpful sources on the welfare act. they were very informative

Sam Smash
04-21-2009, 04:47 PM
with big bags of cocaine and set them up for distribution of narcotics.


Hand pick the ones that look like potential import models and make them live with me.

Oh yea, and sell them evo x

thats all I can come up with at this point. I will think of more things to help with your homework :)

pikadosboy
04-21-2009, 05:45 PM
immigration is perfectly fine as long as they do it legally.Â* its the illegal ones that are f***ing us up. :tickedoff: yeah they do some of the jobs that most people don't wanna do but there are many CITIZENS out there during these times that would just be greatful to have the job. many people say that getting rid of the illegal immigrants that are working on the farms mainly would drive up the price of food significantly.Â* this is not true however.Â* even if we did manage to eliminate all illegal immigrant labor it wouldnt be all at once and the price would only rise by cents and not dollars.Â* most people wouldnt even notice the minor rise in price.Â* wut we need to do is get rid of the stupid laws like in LA were a police officer cannot arrest and deport someone just for being illegal. :uglystupid2: they would have the commit some kind of crime.Â* so get rid of these dumb laws so the cops can actually arrest them for being illegal and we can deport them and free up all of the welfare that they are collecting by coming over here and having there kids allowing them to stay. so as i said in the beginning, as long as they do it LEGALLY, immigration is fine and actually welcome.
Just tell me something you red neck piece of shit!Â* the only legal pep here will be Native American! are you a Native American ?Â* I will say you are not!
So STFU and if you think that way i wanna see you as a gardener, or doing dirty jobs for $5 and hour.

TLOGGINS
04-21-2009, 05:57 PM
immigration is perfectly fine as long as they do it legally.Â* its the illegal ones that are f***ing us up. :tickedoff: yeah they do some of the jobs that most people don't wanna do but there are many CITIZENS out there during these times that would just be greatful to have the job. many people say that getting rid of the illegal immigrants that are working on the farms mainly would drive up the price of food significantly.Â* this is not true however.Â* even if we did manage to eliminate all illegal immigrant labor it wouldnt be all at once and the price would only rise by cents and not dollars.Â* most people wouldnt even notice the minor rise in price.Â* wut we need to do is get rid of the stupid laws like in LA were a police officer cannot arrest and deport someone just for being illegal. :uglystupid2: they would have the commit some kind of crime.Â* so get rid of these dumb laws so the cops can actually arrest them for being illegal and we can deport them and free up all of the welfare that they are collecting by coming over here and having there kids allowing them to stay. so as i said in the beginning, as long as they do it LEGALLY, immigration is fine and actually welcome.
Just tell me something you red neck piece of shit!Â* the only legal pep here will be Native American! are you a Native American ?Â* I will say you are not!
So STFU and if you think that way i wanna see you as a gardener, or doing dirty jobs for $5 and hour.


dude everyone is entitled to their own opinion and the OP was asking for ours. if u dont like mine then wutever but u dont have to be a d-bag about it. and we are talking current immigration not in the 1700s. i dont see how people (like yourself) think that its ok for them to come here ILLEGALLY and do wutever they want working or not.

pikadosboy
04-21-2009, 07:35 PM
immigration is perfectly fine as long as they do it legally.Â* its the illegal ones that are f***ing us up. :tickedoff: yeah they do some of the jobs that most people don't wanna do but there are many CITIZENS out there during these times that would just be greatful to have the job. many people say that getting rid of the illegal immigrants that are working on the farms mainly would drive up the price of food significantly.Â* this is not true however.Â* even if we did manage to eliminate all illegal immigrant labor it wouldnt be all at once and the price would only rise by cents and not dollars.Â* most people wouldnt even notice the minor rise in price.Â* wut we need to do is get rid of the stupid laws like in LA were a police officer cannot arrest and deport someone just for being illegal. :uglystupid2: they would have the commit some kind of crime.Â* so get rid of these dumb laws so the cops can actually arrest them for being illegal and we can deport them and free up all of the welfare that they are collecting by coming over here and having there kids allowing them to stay. so as i said in the beginning, as long as they do it LEGALLY, immigration is fine and actually welcome.
Just tell me something you red neck piece of shit!Â* the only legal pep here will be Native American! are you a Native American ?Â* I will say you are not!
So STFU and if you think that way i wanna see you as a gardener, or doing dirty jobs for $5 and hour.


dude everyone is entitled to their own opinion and the OP was asking for ours. if u dont like mine then wutever but u dont have to be a d-bag about it.Â* and we are talking current immigration not in the 1700s. i dont see how people (like yourself) think that its ok for them to come here ILLEGALLY and do wutever they want working or not.


I'm so sick and tired of people like you, that are SO narrow-minded and can't see the bigger picture!! First of all, don't talk to me about illegal immigrants taking jobs that our "citizens" would do! I want you to show me ONE, just ONE, white person that is willing to go into a field and pick vegetables!! Secondly, how DARE you criticize people who want nothing more than to provide the BASICS for their families, that WE take for granted EVERY day; food, shelter, hot water! Have you ever gone without food, or listened to a child cry because they are hungry and you know you can't do ANYTHING about it? I didn't think so! So before you start spouting off about your rights as an American, why don't you bring yourself down a notch, and just be a human being!!

TLOGGINS
04-21-2009, 08:14 PM
^ok I see where u might think that. But wut we both need to do now is take a step back, take a deep breath and calm down. And before we hijack the thread let's just agree to disagree and why don't u respond to the OP.

335eater
04-21-2009, 08:18 PM
not gonna read all the other life stories posted prior... my opinion is illegals get the **** out, regardless of what country your from. obviously the biggest problem is ppl from mexico, the cheapest and smartest sollution is to put a ****ing mine field from cali all the way to texas, thatll teach those bastards real quick to stay out

pikadosboy
04-21-2009, 09:02 PM
not gonna read all the other life stories posted prior... my opinion is illegals get the **** out, regardless of what country your from. obviously the biggest problem is ppl from mexico, the cheapest and smartest sollution is to put a ****ing mine field from cali all the way to texas, thatll teach those bastards real quick to stay out
Applause, applause, applause!!! Spoken like a truely unintelligent, over-privileged American, who has always had every need provided for and never had to worry about where his next meal is coming from. Your parents must be SO proud!

335eater
04-21-2009, 09:17 PM
u know it!

j_nizzle
04-21-2009, 09:26 PM
I'm so sick and tired of people like you, that are SO narrow-minded and can't see the bigger picture!! First of all, don't talk to me about illegal immigrants taking jobs that our "citizens" would do! I want you to show me ONE, just ONE, white person that is willing to go into a field and pick vegetables!! Secondly, how DARE you criticize people who want nothing more than to provide the BASICS for their families, that WE take for granted EVERY day; food, shelter, hot water! Have you ever gone without food, or listened to a child cry because they are hungry and you know you can't do ANYTHING about it? I didn't think so! So before you start spouting off about your rights as an American, why don't you bring yourself down a notch, and just be a human being!!


still dont see how that makes it right to come over here illegally and fore-go the IRS and La Migra because one's family suffers. granted your family might be sufferring, but you said it yourself, not everyone can be so lucky.

Have you been paying any attention lately? there are soooo many "professionals" [people that ARE citizens, with degrees, that can positively add to our society] without work now...im sure, given a tough enough financial situation, they'd bite it and take a ass-busting 9-5.

to the OP, immigrants should be treated with respect. they are people. if they are of the illegal variety, they are trash to us. if they are tourists, talk real loud and slow as you try to make hand motions as to what you are saying.

Enigma1
04-21-2009, 11:13 PM
I'm so sick and tired of people like you, that are SO narrow-minded and can't see the bigger picture!! First of all, don't talk to me about illegal immigrants taking jobs that our "citizens" would do! I want you to show me ONE, just ONE, white person that is willing to go into a field and pick vegetables!! Secondly, how DARE you criticize people who want nothing more than to provide the BASICS for their families, that WE take for granted EVERY day; food, shelter, hot water! Have you ever gone without food, or listened to a child cry because they are hungry and you know you can't do ANYTHING about it? I didn't think so! So before you start spouting off about your rights as an American, why don't you bring yourself down a notch, and just be a human being!!


still dont see how that makes it right to come over here illegally and fore-go the IRS and La Migra because one's family suffers. granted your family might be sufferring, but you said it yourself, not everyone can be so lucky.

Have you been paying any attention lately? there are soooo many "professionals" [people that ARE citizens, with degrees, that can positively add to our society] without work now...im sure, given a tough enough financial situation, they'd bite it and take a ass-busting 9-5.

to the OP, immigrants should be treated with respect. they are people. if they are of the illegal variety, they are trash to us. if they are tourists, talk real loud and slow as you try to make hand motions as to what you are saying.
Wow! Are you for real?! You're TOO easy, dude. I want to start by saying that my I'M WHITE!!! My name is WALTERS! My family isn't suffering; they are actually pretty well off, and they're all "citizens". The thing is, my parents raised ME right! I actually happen to think that ALL humans are created equal, and I have compassion for those who are less fortunate. What makes you (and others like you), think that the color of your SKIN or where you just HAPPENED to be LUCKY enough to be born makes you better than ANYONE else?!?! Also, lets get something straight. First of all, working on your knees in a field in the sun for 12 hours ISN'T a 9-5 job, and I don't see ONE of these "professional citizens" (that you guys keep speaking of), doing these jobs after they lose their corporate jobs!! Also, I want to take a WILD guess and say that you aren't calling these ILLEGAL immigrants TRASH when they are cooking your food in a restaurant, or detailing the evo that your dad bought you!! For all of the obviously sheltered, blind, so-cal brats, I would like to make a suggestion. Why don't you go to one of the 100's of countries ravaged by poverty and spend a week sleeping on a piece of cardboard and not having even ONE bite of food! Then come back here, to this country, and show some APPRECIATION for all the privileges you enjoy (even though YOU haven't earned them) !!!!
I feel sorry for people like you!!

Enigma1
04-21-2009, 11:22 PM
u know it!
pikadosboy is dead on! You're no asset to this country: people like you are what make the rest of the world look down on us!!

j_nizzle
04-21-2009, 11:46 PM
I feel sorry for people like you!!


im not white...i am, in fact, first generation american. i have compassion for human beings that are courteous to others...not those that take advantage of a broken system that despite the fact both my parents fought too long and hard to be a part of the LEGAL way.

i still dont see your point...AMERICANS are suffering as it is. why do we as a country/as people need to take care of everyone else? i dont need to go to another country to see sufferring/poverty/hunger/frustration.

do you work in a field for 12 hours? do you sleep on a piece of cardboard...i know for a fact veterans of war...american heros have to do that in some parts of our country. the illegal immigrants in this country most certainly dont do that...they have houses.

it doesnt bother one bit that some people in this country cant get out of their situation because there is a paper trail that follows them? whereas illegals can just stow away somewhere, land as they please while desperate business owners scoop them up and provide work for them to save their own money?

in the mean time, i'll detail my own evo, that i bought...and enjoy the food that i cook myself.

Enigma1
04-22-2009, 12:07 AM
Don't be a hypocrite! You have no concept of what compassion is! As I ALREADY said, I come from a well-to-do family, and I have NEVER gone hungry or had to sleep on the ground! However, I have personally done work in places where I witnessed these things FIRST HAND! And lets clarify something: NO ONE, that lives in this country today (unless they ARE an immigrant) knows what real suffering or hunger or poverty is! US citizens have access to social services that no other country on this PLANET provide! If a Mexican or South African family can't feed their kids, do u think that they can go to the local shelter for a hot meal or place to sleep? No! Because they don't have that option! And for your information, EVERY person who comes here illegally dreams of becoming a citizen like your parents; they WANT to pay taxes and contribute to this country! People like YOU are the ones that keep them illegal!
If you truly are a first generation American then SHAME ON YOU!! Don't sit there and insult my intelligence by saying the things like "I enjoy the food cook myself"! You are quick to enjoy the services provides by "trashy illegals", and then quick to badmouth them!
It's pathetic!!

yobless
04-22-2009, 12:19 AM
Don't be a hypocrite! You have no concept of what compassion is! As I ALREADY said, I come from a well-to-do family, and I have NEVER gone hungry or had to sleep on the ground! However, I have personally done work in places where I witnessed these things FIRST HAND! And lets clarify something: NO ONE, that lives in this country today (unless they ARE an immigrant) knows what real suffering or hunger or poverty is! US citizens have access to social services that no other country on this PLANET provide! If a Mexican or South African family can't feed their kids, do u think that they can go to the local shelter for a hot meal or place to sleep? No! Because they don't have that option! And for your information, EVERY person who comes here illegally dreams of becoming a citizen like your parents; they WANT to pay taxes and contribute to this country! People like YOU are the ones that keep them illegal!
If you truly are a first generation American then SHAME ON YOU!! Don't sit there and insult my intelligence by saying the things like "I enjoy the food cook myself"! You are quick to enjoy the services provides by "trashy illegals", and then quick to badmouth them!
It's pathetic!!


Sorry nizzle but you got da ownzed!!!

j_nizzle
04-22-2009, 12:32 AM
Don't be a hypocrite! You have no concept of what compassion is! As I ALREADY said, I come from a well-to-do family, and I have NEVER gone hungry or had to sleep on the ground! However, I have personally done work in places where I witnessed these things FIRST HAND! And lets clarify something: NO ONE, that lives in this country today (unless they ARE an immigrant) knows what real suffering or hunger or poverty is! US citizens have access to social services that no other country on this PLANET provide! If a Mexican or South African family can't feed their kids, do u think that they can go to the local shelter for a hot meal or place to sleep? No! Because they don't have that option! And for your information, EVERY person who comes here illegally dreams of becoming a citizen like your parents; they WANT to pay taxes and contribute to this country! People like YOU are the ones that keep them illegal!
If you truly are a first generation American then SHAME ON YOU!! Don't sit there and insult my intelligence by saying the things like "I enjoy the food cook myself"! You are quick to enjoy the services provides by "trashy illegals", and then quick to badmouth them!
It's pathetic!!


then why do you choose to stay in the US? why not go to the source and help there? i believe the key is to solve problems/issues in our own country before we can span out to help others...we simply cant take everyone in that wants in. in a perfect world, that would be the case, but in your opinion, because i live in this world...that isnt the case.

i dont see how you can generalize and speak for all illegal immigrants...i can understand that some arent allowed by their country to simply leave and have their countries grant them the necessary paperwork to come here but what about illegals that could care less? if i were to generalize in the sense that "EVERY illegal wants to become a part of the system", is it safe to say that, "EVERY illegal is a drug dealer/terrorist/murderer"?

dont get me wrong, im not trying to say, "if you side with them, then join them...in their country," however, im curious as to what your point is. seems kind of awkward that you magically join this site to badmouth the opinions of people in this thread especially when the thread specifically asks for opinions...not necessarily thoughts on others' opinions.

you helped people in mexico and south africa im assuming...i helped people build houses in the ghettos of Louisiana, outside downtown San Francisco volunteering at a homeless shelter, serving food to homeless people in Santa Ana at a food bank. i get my stance from observing that 99% of the people there were NOT illegal or even immigrants for that matter.

You can "Shame on Me" all you want...but home is where the heart is. i figure we do something our country before we step it up and cares what the world has to think or say.

GokuSSJ4
04-22-2009, 12:50 AM
John
Have you ever asked yourself this simple question
Why do immigrants consider the USA to be the promise land??
Why take dangerous risk in placing even at times their entire family's life in jeopardy just to make it across the border and take the chance in perhaps getting a job and maintaining the job before anything and everything goes wrong? why to people in 3rd countries consider or think of having such a privilege in being in the good old USA ???


Regardless how anyone might feels torses illegals and people trying to find a different way of living,Â* having immigrants in the states is a reality. Does a good % of them contribute in cheap labor and allow to a certain extend of the word provide cheaper prices for items like produce among other things? perhaps,
but the matter of the fact is that in the early 80'S 90s and even early 00'Sthe US presented to be the solution to everything in the 3rd world countries. Just like a big brother.. For people to consider even risking their life just to have a an opportunity to make it to the so called "promise land".
The US has carry themselves for years in latin america as that.. a land full or sources and unlimited opportunity that has called everyones attention in trying to make it here.
Even with jobs as simple as cheap labor, a well budget family can survive and continue forward vs the poverty they face in their country. If the gov can find a way to tax all this so called immigrants, then this issue wouldnt be as bad as people make it seemed.

j_nizzle
04-22-2009, 12:55 AM
Tomas, the simple fact is that the US isnt what it used to be...and it just isnt as easy for anyone to come in and set up shop to make a better life for themselves and their families.

the same reason my grandparents, parents, and relatives came here in the 1960's - 1990's is the reason you described.

i apologize to anyone i offended by using trash to describe illegals...it's a heated issue for me if you havent noticed already.

but unfortunately, the solution isnt as easy as you stated, "taxing the illegals." if they're here, they're here...i wouldnt use the extreme "GTFO" as another poster but they're hurting more than they're helping given our times.

GokuSSJ4
04-22-2009, 01:05 AM
U said it. It "used to be" unfortunate not all 3rd world countries sees this type of perseption on how the economy has been affeective even for the last decade. Never the less within this year alone that has brought a tremendous pressure in maintaining a job without running the risk of being part of the groups that have suffer "lay off". In the entire states.

j_nizzle
04-22-2009, 10:59 AM
U said it. It "used to be" unfortunate not all 3rd world countries sees this type of perseption on how the economy has been affeective even for the last decade. Never the less within this year alone that has brought a tremendous pressure in maintaining a job without running the risk of being part of the groups that have suffer "lay off". In the entire states.


it's sooo evident isnt it?!

man, what i really want to happen is for other countries to be understanding and allow for this flood of people looking for work to go where ever they want...(case in point, most Asian immigrants...come for work, work, then go home when work is done...or better yet, work...try to become citizens while starting a family/paying taxes) similar to a while back when Bush allowed for Mexican workers to come and help out on farms and such with part-time visa's.

it would be good for those people if we could just allow citizenship be be gained easily...they work (the employers suffer: minimum wage, etc...but who cares? they take less so our country has more), pay taxes and that in itself could help us.

im still firm on the whole "illegal" label because of what my mother specifically went through waiting for her "ok" to leave her country.

STIH8TER
04-22-2009, 11:20 AM
Your intro needs help


I dont mind help.... help me out.

STIH8TER
04-22-2009, 11:22 AM
immigration is perfectly fine as long as they do it legally.Â* its the illegal ones that are f***ing us up. :tickedoff: yeah they do some of the jobs that most people don't wanna do but there are many CITIZENS out there during these times that would just be greatful to have the job. many people say that getting rid of the illegal immigrants that are working on the farms mainly would drive up the price of food significantly.Â* this is not true however.Â* even if we did manage to eliminate all illegal immigrant labor it wouldnt be all at once and the price would only rise by cents and not dollars.Â* most people wouldnt even notice the minor rise in price.Â* wut we need to do is get rid of the stupid laws like in LA were a police officer cannot arrest and deport someone just for being illegal. :uglystupid2: they would have the commit some kind of crime.Â* so get rid of these dumb laws so the cops can actually arrest them for being illegal and we can deport them and free up all of the welfare that they are collecting by coming over here and having there kids allowing them to stay. so as i said in the beginning, as long as they do it LEGALLY, immigration is fine and actually welcome.


Actually your welfare argument is pretty wrong...do some research on the welfare reform act signed by then Pres. Bill Clinton.Â* You'll even see that former mayor of New York Giuliani opposed the act even though he's Republican.Â* I'm not at all claiming that the current welfare system is "perfect" but it did undergo a mayor overhaul and since the acts inception, welfare use and fraud has declined.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20682
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/22/opinion/22clinton.html
http://rpc.senate.gov/releases/1999/wf080599.htm

And put up some facts to back up your statements, just stating things without some back up is moot.Â* This dude needs sources for his paperÂ* :D



Thanks for the sources man!

STIH8TER
04-22-2009, 11:49 AM
Holy crap guys... I read the hole response. Please I didn't want to incite you guys. I just wanted opinions from you guys. And as for me, I am an American Citizen. How should we treat immigrants? Well I believe a human being is a human being. And I also Believe first come, first serve basis. Depends on the situation. A lot of immigrants are tryin to find a better life and so is the illegal ones. Yes, many of us aren't so lucky but if I being a human being would try to survive I'll look for any means for survival. I believe if you beat the system and you went around it you deserve the worst, thats only if you get caught. On the other hand, if you got away with it then good luck to you. I can't really hate on the illegal ones because one of my friends came here illegally when he was a child. I say if you want work and the US is providing work go get at it. As for the people who has so much luxury and never offered a hand in helping a helpless just put yourself in their position. Find out what makes them do what they do. Whether it's working in the fields or doing the DIRTY jobs if we don't want to do it... who will?

I think the legal immigrants deserve the freedom what we as citizens have. They waited long enough for their turn. As for the Illegal immigrants, if chances are we are in need of workers well let them work if they choose to work, and I'm pretty sure they will work to stay here even if it's only a little while.


Thanks guys Hopefully they won't shut this topic down. I need to take the opinions here and reference it on my essay. Don't worry I won't put your SN on it.

Enigma1
04-22-2009, 05:40 PM
Don't be a hypocrite! You have no concept of what compassion is! As I ALREADY said, I come from a well-to-do family, and I have NEVER gone hungry or had to sleep on the ground! However, I have personally done work in places where I witnessed these things FIRST HAND! And lets clarify something: NO ONE, that lives in this country today (unless they ARE an immigrant) knows what real suffering or hunger or poverty is! US citizens have access to social services that no other country on this PLANET provide! If a Mexican or South African family can't feed their kids, do u think that they can go to the local shelter for a hot meal or place to sleep? No! Because they don't have that option! And for your information, EVERY person who comes here illegally dreams of becoming a citizen like your parents; they WANT to pay taxes and contribute to this country! People like YOU are the ones that keep them illegal!
If you truly are a first generation American then SHAME ON YOU!! Don't sit there and insult my intelligence by saying the things like "I enjoy the food cook myself"! You are quick to enjoy the services provides by "trashy illegals", and then quick to badmouth them!
It's pathetic!!


then why do you choose to stay in the US? why not go to the source and help there? i believe the key is to solve problems/issues in our own country before we can span out to help others...we simply cant take everyone in that wants in. in a perfect world, that would be the case, but in your opinion, because i live in this world...that isnt the case.

i dont see how you can generalize and speak for all illegal immigrants...i can understand that some arent allowed by their country to simply leave and have their countries grant them the necessary paperwork to come here but what about illegals that could care less? if i were to generalize in the sense that "EVERY illegal wants to become a part of the system", is it safe to say that, "EVERY illegal is a drug dealer/terrorist/murderer"?

dont get me wrong, im not trying to say, "if you side with them, then join them...in their country," however, im curious as to what your point is. seems kind of awkward that you magically join this site to badmouth the opinions of people in this thread especially when the thread specifically asks for opinions...not necessarily thoughts on others' opinions.

you helped people in mexico and south africa im assuming...i helped people build houses in the ghettos of Louisiana, outside downtown San Francisco volunteering at a homeless shelter, serving food to homeless people in Santa Ana at a food bank. i get my stance from observing that 99% of the people there were NOT illegal or even immigrants for that matter.

You can "Shame on Me" all you want...but home is where the heart is. i figure we do something our country before we step it up and cares what the world has to think or say.
I can't BELIEVE you just tried to say that you have volunteered at homeless shelters and food banks! Who do you think you're kidding? and by the way, you obviously aren't paying attention to what I'm saying, OR what I mean. I DO go to the source, I said that in my last post. I HAVE been to South Africa and Mexico, and I'm studying so that I can spend the rest of my life helping people like this!
I NEVER said that we should just let everyone in; what i said was , how dare you badmouth and put down people who are busting their ASS to simply feed their families! My problem w/you, and people like you, is that you somehow think you are better than others because of where you were born, or the color of your skin! Guess what? YOU"RE NOT!!! I'm getting sick of this thread, so I'll just say this one more time, for those who just don't seem to get it. These illegal immigrants work harder than you have ever even THOUGHT about; if you were to compare who does more for this country, then they deserve to be here SO much more than you do! I am ASTOUNDED at the sense of entitlement you feel, that you have done NOTHING to deserve! Go live and work like they do , and then you can say whatever you want! Otherwise, get some education, and maybe start identifying yourself as a HUMAN BEING first, and an AMERICAN second so that you can TRULY make this world a better place!

GokuSSJ4
04-22-2009, 05:58 PM
U said it. It "used to be" unfortunate not all 3rd world countries sees this type of perseption on how the economy has been affective even for the last decade. Never the less within this year alone that has brought a tremendous pressure in maintaining a job without running the risk of being part of the groups that have suffer "lay off". In the entire states.


it's sooo evident isnt it?!

man, what i really want to happen is for other countries to be understanding and allow for this flood of people looking for work to go where ever they want...(case in point, most Asian immigrants...come for work, work, then go home when work is done...or better yet, work...try to become citizens while starting a family/paying taxes) similar to a while back when Bush allowed for Mexican workers to come and help out on farms and such with part-time visa's.

it would be good for those people if we could just allow citizenship be be gained easily...they work (the employers suffer: minimum wage, etc...but who cares? they take less so our country has more), pay taxes and that in itself could help us.

im still firm on the whole "illegal" label because of what my mother specifically went through waiting for her "ok" to leave her country.


I can honestly understand how you "feel" in regards of your parents taken the right steps in order to have a visa and such; however you have to understand that now n days it doesn't take the same steps as before. Since before things were fairly easy compare to now n days.
Having friends in the right places can always help or having enough $$$$ in order to pay for the entire procedure. In this current era, it isn't the case anymore. Things have become more of a political matter than anything else. N those that find themselves short in $$$ and have the need to support and survive by all means necessary will take things into the next level.
Things aren't as simple as some of the folks "think" being legal in the states coming from a 3rd world country can be. Even traveling some folks have a problem obtaining a visa. N these are folks that have a good amount of $$$ and don't plan to stay but just come n visit. So what other alternative then getting a visa or being here legal do those "folks" have, since the gov in their country have limited them to?

GokuSSJ4
04-22-2009, 08:05 PM
Thanks guys Hopefully they won't shut this topic down. I need to take the opinions here and reference it on my essay. Don't worry I won't put your SN on it.



As long as this thread n topic at hand remains civil there shouldn't be a problem in having this discussion open. Regardless whether this is the political section; people can get out of control and of course it wont be allowed.

STIH8TER
04-23-2009, 01:56 AM
well the enigma guy was really shakin up. Didn't mean to make get do that to anyone.

j_nizzle
04-23-2009, 09:14 AM
well the enigma guy was really shakin up. Didn't mean to make get do that to anyone.


he's a forum troll...that's what he does. realize that all his posts are pretty much in this topic alone.

j_nizzle
04-23-2009, 09:33 AM
Go live and work like they do , and then you can say whatever you want! Otherwise, get some education, and maybe start identifying yourself as a HUMAN BEING first, and an AMERICAN second so that you can TRULY make this world a better place!


This isnt a perfect world though. you cant expect people to see it the way you do no matter how much you yell or complain about it!

if you have to go to school to help people...i dont know about that one. seems very far-fetched.

take from me what you wish over the internet, but i know where i have been, what i have seen, the people i met, and what i've done with and for others. you can deny and refute all you want to make yourself feel better. no one will take that from you.

i refuse to simply give up the luxuries my family has provided me to just "live" like they do. that is spitting in the face of my parents and family members that died so i wouldnt have to do that. That's where my sense of entitlement comes from: my pride in the hard work of my family members to come her LEGALLY regardless of social/political situations in their own country.

i cant make the world a better place by myself. so if i see no one as a race...and everyone is a human being and have everything fair, sure sounds good. but what does that mean for everyone else? does everyone get a hand-out from someone that worked harder and busted their ass more? does everyone support one another and will there be someone to pick up the slack for someone that cant keep up? lol, that sounds like communism.



I can honestly understand how you "feel" in regards of your parents taken the right steps in order to have a visa and such; however you have to understand that now n days it doesn't take the same steps as before. Since before things were fairly easy compare to now n days.
Having friends in the right places can always help or having enough $$$$ in order to pay for the entire procedure. In this current era, it isn't the case anymore. Things have become more of a political matter than anything else. N those that find themselves short in $$$ and have the need to support and survive by all means necessary will take things into the next level.
Things aren't as simple as some of the folks "think" being legal in the states coming from a 3rd world country can be. Even traveling some folks have a problem obtaining a visa. N these are folks that have a good amount of $$$ and don't plan to stay but just come n visit. So what other alternative then getting a visa or being here legal do those "folks" have, since the gov in their country have limited them to?



realistically, there is no option right now. with the veil of terrorism, and the weird political unrest with the world everyone is playing the waiting game. the ones that arent, especially those that are coming to our country illegally...are hurting more than helping.

you said it yourself as you see it...everything isnt what it used to be. with things not being "as easy" people are making it harder on themselves by being rushed and just bypass the system. it's something we cant control...but definitely something we shouldnt be looking at optimistically either.

skylinefolife
04-23-2009, 08:31 PM
Yeah, lets not help others because no one helped me.Â* :2funny:

These threads are so meaningless. The person asked for a simple question, yet one person keeps repeating the same thing over and over...

It's always the same person in here.


To the OP, good luck. You'll find little, to no help here. Go talk to your friends about it. Talk to the ones that are legal and illegal. You will find a big gap, obviously. Better yet, talk to the future; the young kids.

To the OP (my thoughts): They should be treated like human beings. We spend billions of our tax dollars to help other countries, why not help people here in the states? It's simple to me... It's sad, but people will always seem to suffer. I'm glad for the life I have. I will only live once. I'm not guaranteed a heaven or hell. As far as I know, this is my one and only life. I will try to make the best of it, and I will reach out to anyone in need of help. It's just the most natural thing to help each other...

I'm glad my mother came here illegally. Her steps have made me a US citizen and I have contributed to our nation.

Not every illegal out there is up to no good... Half of the successful people here are from illegal descendants. Yeah, some did it the right way, some did it the wrong way. I don't care, but at the end, sometimes you have to do it the wrong way to live. You have to evolve, adapt and survive.

It's just a very tragic coincidence that Mexico happens to be a part of North America.

LiquidLife
04-24-2009, 09:34 AM
I'm so sick and tired of people like you, that are SO narrow-minded and can't see the bigger picture!! First of all, don't talk to me about illegal immigrants taking jobs that our "citizens" would do! I want you to show me ONE, just ONE, white person that is willing to go into a field and pick vegetables!! Secondly, how DARE you criticize people who want nothing more than to provide the BASICS for their families, that WE take for granted EVERY day; food, shelter, hot water! Have you ever gone without food, or listened to a child cry because they are hungry and you know you can't do ANYTHING about it? I didn't think so! So before you start spouting off about your rights as an American, why don't you bring yourself down a notch, and just be a human being!!


still dont see how that makes it right to come over here illegally and fore-go the IRS and La Migra because one's family suffers. granted your family might be sufferring, but you said it yourself, not everyone can be so lucky.

Have you been paying any attention lately? there are soooo many "professionals" [people that ARE citizens, with degrees, that can positively add to our society] without work now...im sure, given a tough enough financial situation, they'd bite it and take a ass-busting 9-5.

to the OP, immigrants should be treated with respect. they are people. if they are of the illegal variety, they are trash to us. if they are tourists, talk real loud and slow as you try to make hand motions as to what you are saying.
Wow! Are you for real?! You're TOO easy, dude. I want to start by saying that my I'M WHITE!!! My name is WALTERS! My family isn't suffering; they are actually pretty well off, and they're all "citizens". The thing is, my parents raised ME right! I actually happen to think that ALL humans are created equal, and I have compassion for those who are less fortunate. What makes you (and others like you), think that the color of your SKIN or where you just HAPPENED to be LUCKY enough to be born makes you better than ANYONE else?!?! Also, lets get something straight. First of all, working on your knees in a field in the sun for 12 hours ISN'T a 9-5 job, and I don't see ONE of these "professional citizens" (that you guys keep speaking of), doing these jobs after they lose their corporate jobs!! Also, I want to take a WILD guess and say that you aren't calling these ILLEGAL immigrants TRASH when they are cooking your food in a restaurant, or detailing the evo that your dad bought you!! For all of the obviously sheltered, blind, so-cal brats, I would like to make a suggestion. Why don't you go to one of the 100's of countries ravaged by poverty and spend a week sleeping on a piece of cardboard and not having even ONE bite of food! Then come back here, to this country, and show some APPRECIATION for all the privileges you enjoy (even though YOU haven't earned them) !!!!
I feel sorry for people like you!!


Looks like your parents forgot to teach you one thing... don't be gay. Need to start thinking about the economical ramifications of allowing illegal immigration, they feed off the government and don't give too much in return.

LiquidLife
04-24-2009, 09:40 AM
well the enigma guy was really shakin up. Didn't mean to make get do that to anyone.


Stop apologizing... he's obviously extremely sensitive and aggressive.Â* Negative personality aspects, might require some psychiatric attention, or just a few more years of growing up :)

STIH8TER
04-30-2009, 05:53 PM
Check this out.

http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/T/3/smuggled4.jpg

xxblazexx
04-30-2009, 10:23 PM
no way dude how the fuck would you even put the steeriung colunm and everything wow

skylinefolife
05-01-2009, 12:25 AM
Check this out.

http://z.about.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/T/3/smuggled4.jpg


Good contribution.

Where is his gold medal? lmfao.

Sam Smash
05-01-2009, 07:29 PM
I bet this pic will upset Javi hahahhaa

boats and hoes

pikadosboy
05-01-2009, 10:12 PM
I bet this pic will upset Javi hahahhaa

boats and hoes
nah fool, hahahah boats and hoes, boats and hoes!

STIH8TER
05-04-2009, 04:12 PM
Yeah, lets not help others because no one helped me.Â* :2funny:

These threads are so meaningless. The person asked for a simple question, yet one person keeps repeating the same thing over and over...

It's always the same person in here.


To the OP, good luck. You'll find little, to no help here. Go talk to your friends about it. Talk to the ones that are legal and illegal. You will find a big gap, obviously. Better yet, talk to the future; the young kids.

To the OP (my thoughts): They should be treated like human beings. We spend billions of our tax dollars to help other countries, why not help people here in the states? It's simple to me... It's sad, but people will always seem to suffer. I'm glad for the life I have. I will only live once. I'm not guaranteed a heaven or hell. As far as I know, this is my one and only life. I will try to make the best of it, and I will reach out to anyone in need of help. It's just the most natural thing to help each other...

I'm glad my mother came here illegally. Her steps have made me a US citizen and I have contributed to our nation.

Not every illegal out there is up to no good... Half of the successful people here are from illegal descendants. Yeah, some did it the right way, some did it the wrong way. I don't care, but at the end, sometimes you have to do it the wrong way to live. You have to evolve, adapt and survive.

It's just a very tragic coincidence that Mexico happens to be a part of North America.


Yea most people out there that are legal say the same thing. Its not fair for people who are doing it the right way. As for the illegal ones, Ive tried speaking with them but they either walk away or they can't speak English. Anyways... Illegal is illegal. I guess you have to follow the rule and abide by the law. It is really not fair for the legal ones to come in. I think we should use our taxes on a freakin barrier instead of the illegal immigrants using our damn tax money for their benefit.

STIH8TER
05-04-2009, 04:24 PM
http://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.79/t.gif
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8211/demanding8dy.jpg

LiquidLife
05-04-2009, 04:42 PM
well put, enough said ^^^

EvoPwr
05-04-2009, 06:36 PM
LOL that people think this is about racism. :2funny:

Sam Smash
05-05-2009, 10:25 AM
all jokes aside, javier tell everyone how you got here. Remember that story about being stuffed in a circus elephants ass.

I love that story

LiquidLife
05-05-2009, 10:27 AM
the joke is on us... (citizens)

pikadosboy
05-05-2009, 11:35 AM
all jokes aside, javier tell everyone how you got here. Remember that story about being stuffed in a circus elephants ass.

I love that story
Was up with you and the bestiality?

Sam Smash
05-05-2009, 12:55 PM
hahahahaa

skylinefolife
05-06-2009, 11:34 AM
http://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.79/t.gif
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8211/demanding8dy.jpg


lmfao. That's hilarious because no one in my family thinks that way... That picture is completely biased. I bet you it was drawn by a random guy who just enjoys a good laugh. But I did laugh lol...

yobless
05-06-2009, 11:39 AM
ROFL at that pic...most WHITE immigrants leave fascist controlled countries ex. Italy, Spain, Germany, Romania...hell even Japan had a fascist government.

Latin America has a bunch of corrupt leaders who sadly are backed by the U.S.

CASH$ MONEY
05-06-2009, 11:59 AM
all jokes aside, javier tell everyone how you got here. Remember that story about being stuffed in a circus elephants ass.

I love that story

:2funny:

pikadosboy
05-06-2009, 02:21 PM
all jokes aside, javier tell everyone how you got here. Remember that story about being stuffed in a circus elephants ass.

I love that story

:2funny:

Dude Seriously no one like you when you had a Evo, now you dont have a evo anymore!

Sam Smash
05-07-2009, 04:31 PM
dont hate, I am not here to be your lover. Please dont get mad at me, your choice to come here like that.

xxblazexx
05-07-2009, 07:21 PM
Hhaha is javi mad at u sammmm.

Sam Smash
05-08-2009, 02:20 PM
He is mad that he doesnt speak english and drives an evo with a stroker that is slower than Adam's Mazda. He blames me and is always angry. I try really hard to teach him.

Billy has an apple
Billy eats the apple
Billy Shits the apple

Lesson 1

STIH8TER
05-09-2009, 10:03 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hlkE2ZdIy8Q/RldIXUjd1cI/AAAAAAAAAL0/7f_z9-u_h2g/s400/illegal_immigration.gif

pikadosboy
05-10-2009, 12:46 PM
dont hate, I am not here to be your lover. Please dont get mad at me, your choice to come here like that.
hey asshole your not the center of the universe! i was quoting cash not you! Dick

xxblazexx
05-10-2009, 02:18 PM
hahah fucken sammmmmmmmmmmmmm

j_nizzle
05-10-2009, 02:31 PM
One of my old friends is Mexican, his parents came here illegally and fought there way and followed every step to becoming a legal citizen. I was over at his house and my friend started to speak Spanish on the phone to another friend and his mom (100% Mexican) went up to him and slapped him and told him never do speak Spanish in front of company. She explained to me how hard she fought for the right to live here and she thought it was disrespect to speak another language that someone else couldn't understand.

Many people think of immigrants and automatically think Mexico, we all need to remember immigrants come from all countries.

As long as they come here for a better life and are willing to take the steps to becoming a legal citizen they have my support.

Just remember, people always need someone to blame but themselves.


this struck a chord with me.

i want to meet this mother and give her a hug! truly understands the struggle.

and the latter, i agree 100%.

Sam Smash
05-10-2009, 04:17 PM
dont hate, I am not here to be your lover. Please dont get mad at me, your choice to come here like that.
hey asshole your not the center of the universe! i was quoting cash not you! Dick


1) I am the center, and the whole universe.
2) Sorry if I thought you were bashing my comments.
3) Don't hate me for being awsome.
4) still thinking of what to tell you to make you angry. It will be good

pikadosboy
05-10-2009, 05:36 PM
dont hate, I am not here to be your lover. Please dont get mad at me, your choice to come here like that.
hey asshole your not the center of the universe! i was quoting cash not you! Dick


1) I am the center, and the whole universe.
2) Sorry if I thought you were bashing my comments.
3) Don't hate me for being awsome.
4) still thinking of what to tell you to make you angry. It will be good
http://www.downtownpet.com/blog/uploaded_images/smiling-cats-760860.jpg

rocinevoIX
05-10-2009, 06:12 PM
wow this has gone out of control, i dont know wat to say coming from parents who came here illegal and now are citizens of this country, rather not share anything....

skylinefolife
05-11-2009, 01:33 PM
One of my old friends is Mexican, his parents came here illegally and fought there way and followed every step to becoming a legal citizen. I was over at his house and my friend started to speak Spanish on the phone to another friend and his mom (100% Mexican) went up to him and slapped him and told him never do speak Spanish in front of company. She explained to me how hard she fought for the right to live here and she thought it was disrespect to speak another language that someone else couldn't understand.

Many people think of immigrants and automatically think Mexico, we all need to remember immigrants come from all countries.

As long as they come here for a better life and are willing to take the steps to becoming a legal citizen they have my support.

Just remember, people always need someone to blame but themselves.


this struck a chord with me.

i want to meet this mother and give her a hug! truly understands the struggle.

and the latter, i agree 100%.


lol What's the big deal with knowing 2 or more languages? Last I heard, that's a good thing!

lmao. People trip out (and exaggerate) over the smallest things.

:}

I must agree with everyone here, because we are all different and no matter what, we will never agree :]

skylinefolife
05-12-2009, 04:05 PM
I think it's the same reason you don't burp, fart, curse, etc infront of company. It's just good manners. I never said knowing 2 lang was a bad thing or am I against it, I was just stating what his mother had told me, which seems like she wants her children to have good manners


Burping, farting, cursing is completely irrelevant.

But Ok. Like I said, I agree we are all different :)

More power to her! :D

LiquidLife
05-14-2009, 10:42 AM
every time I see your signature it makes me want to play left for dead man.... hahaha

skylinefolife
05-14-2009, 12:03 PM
every time I see your signature it makes me want to play left for dead man.... hahaha


lol!

I was playing last night :] It's fun! They got the new maps back on Versus and it's about damn freaking time!

STIH8TER
05-14-2009, 02:46 PM
how about SF4? on ps3? anyone down?

mrobs15
05-15-2009, 03:50 PM
every time I see your signature it makes me want to play left for dead man.... hahaha


lol!

I was playing last night :] It's fun! They got the new maps back on Versus and it's about damn freaking time!


what platform you guys play on?

skylinefolife
05-15-2009, 05:04 PM
^I used to play on the 360 :'(

Now... I just don't play anymore *sigh*

mrobs15
05-15-2009, 05:06 PM
damn lol, i play PC, a lot. to much. :'( lol

got_lancer
07-25-2009, 12:16 PM
immigration is perfectly fine as long as they do it legally.Â* its the illegal ones that are f***ing us up. :tickedoff: yeah they do some of the jobs that most people don't wanna do but there are many CITIZENS out there during these times that would just be greatful to have the job. many people say that getting rid of the illegal immigrants that are working on the farms mainly would drive up the price of food significantly.Â* this is not true however.Â* even if we did manage to eliminate all illegal immigrant labor it wouldnt be all at once and the price would only rise by cents and not dollars.Â* most people wouldnt even notice the minor rise in price.Â* wut we need to do is get rid of the stupid laws like in LA were a police officer cannot arrest and deport someone just for being illegal. :uglystupid2: they would have the commit some kind of crime.Â* so get rid of these dumb laws so the cops can actually arrest them for being illegal and we can deport them and free up all of the welfare that they are collecting by coming over here and having there kids allowing them to stay. so as i said in the beginning, as long as they do it LEGALLY, immigration is fine and actually welcome.
Just tell me something you red neck piece of shit!Â* the only legal pep here will be Native American! are you a Native American ?Â* I will say you are not!
So STFU and if you think that way i wanna see you as a gardener, or doing dirty jobs for $5 and hour.


wow!! just wow!!! Too bad...United states is getting worst and worst! Economy wise!!!! I Hope the government make All Immigrants/Non-Immigrants all US Citizens so USA can FORK MO' Taxes!!!!