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SoCalRedLine
07-01-2009, 01:58 PM
I figure we could use a thread for injector scalings and latencies.

I figured on average the Evo fuel pressure is about 35psi base, hence the small scalings for large injectors (I.e. 636cc for 720cc). So keep that in mind when deciding on your Injector Size Scaling.

Note: These values are mainly only tuned in the 8-14.3V range. The only way to get any other voltage readings is to use an oscilloscope and a test rig with Evo fuel pressures.

There is also a table that controls the injector pulse width during crank. It is correlated to Coolant temp, so if your car starts fine when warm, but cranks forever when cold. You will need to make adjustments to that table as well.

DO NOT attempt to scale your own injectors without a wideband.
The following values are RECOMMENDED and not exact to your application. Use at own risk.

Denso:
Denso 720cc injectors:
Scaling: 636

Latency:
6.12
3.12
1.992
1.272
0.744
0.648


HK$:


FIC:
FIC 950cc injectors
Scaling: 812cc

Latency:
3.312
2.184
1.32
.984
0.744
0.624
0.504

From FIC: FIC 850-1050cc latency:
10 v, 12 v ,14v ,16 v
1.38, 1.13, 0.97, 0.88 opening response time (ms)
All measurements at 43.5 psi (3 bar)


Precision Turbo (PTE):
PTE 780cc injectors
Scaling: 731cc

Latency:
3.288
2.184
1.392
0.960
0.744
0.552
0.432

PTE 880cc injectors
Scaling: 770cc
Latencys:
3.648
2.016
1.392
0.984
0.744
0.576
0.456

PTE

RC Engineering:
RC 750cc injectors
scaling 635.674

4.6875Â* Â* - 4.104
7.03125Â* - 3.12
9.375Â* Â* Â* - 1.992
11.7188Â* - 1.224
14.0625Â* - 0.792
16.4062Â* - 0.576
18.6768Â* - 0.312

RC 1000cc injectors (thanks naji O0)
Scaling: 835

Latency:
3.312
2.184
.936
.642
.384
.288


Stolen directly from forums.evolutionm.net/ecuflash-179

Instead of sifting through 58 pages of newbs asking the same questions I figured I would "summarize" everything in one thread, with quotes from contributers from the old thread.

First lets go over some common acronymns that will be associated with this evolution...

STFT= Short term fuel trim- what the ECU is doing right now to get as close to stoich (14.7:1) as possible, adding or subtracting fuel over the base fuel map to reach that target.

LTFT= Long term fuel trim- a stored value that the ECU has learned to do to reach that target. It takes longer to show changes.

O2 feedback= This is the same thing as STFT in Evoscan

In order to see a more precise percentage of fuel that is being adjusted in Evoscan I highly recommend changing the STFT, LTFT (Low, Mid, High) equations to this... 0.1953125*x-25

First things first, when dialing in your new injectors you need to let the car Idle and you will need to do a long cruise for the fuel trims to register.Â* Don't beat yourself up for weeks to get perfect fuel trims, it will never happen.Â* Strive for +/ - 5% for LTFT Low and LTFT Mid.Â* However +/- 10% is acceptable by most.

From what I have observed the evo cycles fuel trims while at idle about every 6 minutes, i usually let my car idle for 24 minutes (4 cycles) and check the trims, if idle trims are good I go on a nice 30 minute drive and try to keep the MAFhz reading steady throughout.

Injector latency is a certain constant of injector pulsewidth added to the calculated pulsewidth to compensate for the time delay in opening and closing of the injectors. Larger injectors open and close at a slower rate so this constant needs to be increased appropriately. Its biggest affect is on the idle, too high and the car will idle rich or not run at all; too lean and the idle will be lean or not run at all.

SoCalRedLine
07-01-2009, 07:29 PM
All of the following came from this thread:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/ecuflash/457738-injector-scaling-latency-supermerge.html


Quote:
Originally Posted by razorlab
PHP Code:
Denso 660s

Scaling 636

6.12
3.12
1.992
1.272
0.744
0.648
0.408


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bez
PHP Code:
Prescision 780

scailing :609

latency:
3.312
1.68
1.032
0.672
0.432
0.264
0.144


Quote:
Originally Posted by cpoevo
PHP Code:
PTEs 780

Scaling 696

4.69 3.504
7.03 2.184
9.38 1.224
11.72 0.96
14.06 0.744
16.41 0.552
18.68 0.432


Quote:
Originally Posted by Fostytou
PHP Code:
PTE 780cc

Scaling: 680

Latency:
4.6875 3.624
7.03125 1.992
9.375 1.344
11.7188 0.984
14.0625 0.744
16.4062 0.576
18.6768 0.456


Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle1
PHP Code:
RC 750s

Scaling-665

Volts MS
4.69 3.576
7.03 1.944
9.38 1.296
11.72 0.984
14.06 0.768
16.41 0.624
18.68 0.504


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigric09
PHP Code:
FIC 750s

Scaling 650

3.312
2.04
1.296
0.696
0.624
0.408
0.192


Quote:
Originally Posted by al/lupo
PHP Code:
FIC 750s

scaling 696 or 713

Latency:

4.69V 3.312
7.03V 2.04
9.38V 1.296
11.72V 0.912
14.06V 0.792
16.41V 0.6
18.68V 0.336


Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnBradley
PHP Code:
FIC 750s

Scaling 650

3.312
1.680
1.032
.864
.648
.552
.360


Quote:
Originally Posted by Joedr
PHP Code:
PTE 880s

scaling 770

3.312
2.304
1.392
1.008
0.792
0.600
0.504


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ph3n1x
PHP Code:
PTE 880s

Scaling 790

3.312
2.184
1.320
0.840
0.672
0.360
0.240


Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnBradley
PHP Code:
FIC 850s

Scaling 770

voltage-
3.312
1.68
1.032
0.84
0.552
0.456
0.36


Quote:
Originally Posted by Kracka
PHP Code:
FIC 850

Scaling 696

Latencies
3
2.376
1.2
0.768
0.504
0.36
0.312


Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve93Talon
PHP Code:
FIC 950s

Scaling 812

4.69 3.312
7.03 2.184
9.38 1.392
11.72 0.912
14.06 0.792
16.41 0.408
18.68 0.264


Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalRedLine
PHP Code:
FIC 950

Scaling: 812

Latency:
3.312
2.184
1.32
1.008
0.768
0.624
0.504


Quote:
Originally Posted by PD1
PHP Code:
FIC 1000s

scaling 860

3.312
1.68
1.344
1.152
0.84
0.36
0.24


Quote:
Originally Posted by lan_evo_MR9
PHP Code:
FIC 1000
Pump Gas Scaling-835
E85 Scaling-636

Latencies
3.312
1.704
1.416
1.2
0.84
0.576
0.264


Quote:
Originally Posted by smartbomb
PHP Code:
RC 1000s

Scaling 860

Voltage ms
4.69 3.312
7.03 2.184
9.38 1.560
11.72 1.008
14.06 0.696
16.41 0.408
18.68 0.336


Quote:
Originally Posted by razorlab
PHP Code:
RC 1000cc

Scaling 835

Latencies

3.6
2.184
1.56
0.936
0.672
0.432
0.336


Quote:
Originally Posted by ohhgyeahfasho
PHP Code:
RC 1000s

E85 scaling 609

3.312
2.184.
1.560
.936
.624
.384
.288


Quote:
Originally Posted by Testudo
PHP Code:
PTE 1000cc

Scaling 725

Latency

2.186
1.281
0.771
0.458
0.283
0.172


Quote:
Originally Posted by travman
PHP Code:
ID 1000s

Scaling: 812

latencies
4.69v = 5.328
7.03v = 3.144
9.38v = 1.992
11.72v = 1.368
14.06v = 1.008
16.41v = .792
18.68v = .624


Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawkus
PHP Code:
ID 1000s

Scaling 812

3.816
3.144
1.944
1.392
0.984
0.72
0.504


Quote:
Originally Posted by schiedes
PHP Code:
FIC 1050s

Scaling: 1008

Latencies:
Volts ms
4.69 4.440
7.03 3.192
9.38 1.752
11.72 1.032
14.06 0.840
16.41 0.576
18.68 0.432


Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnBradley
PHP Code:
RC1200s on both pumpgas and on E85

Gas Scaling 1044

latency
4.7 3.6
7.03 2.184
9.38 2.088
11.72 1.296
14.06 0.792
16.41 0.720
18.68 0.480

E85 Scaling 680

latency is the same as above except
11.72 1.344
14.06 0.864


Quote:
Originally Posted by fostytou
PHP Code:
RC 1200 (on E85)

Scaling 622

Latency
3.6
2.304
1.728
1.32
0.864
0.72
0.48


Quote:
Originally Posted by 16vTAWD
PHP Code:
Pte 1200s

Scaling 886

3.192
2.208
1.512
1.056
0.696
0.504
0.288


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrfred
PHP Code:
FIC Bluemax 1250s

Scaling 1271

latencies
4.7v 4.8
7.0v 2.4
9.4v 1.896
11.7v 1.368
14.1v 0.96
16.4v 0.744
18.7v 0.456


Quote:
Originally Posted by bambooi
PHP Code:
FIC Bluemax 1250s

scaling 1170

latencies
4.8
2.4
1.896
1.368
0.96
0.744
0.456


Quote:
Originally Posted by EvoIX2240
PHP Code:
FIC Bluemax 1450s

Scaling (E85) 943

Latency
3.072
2.328
1.848
1.512
1.296
1.080
0.888


Quote:
Originally Posted by jid2
PHP Code:
FIC Bluemax 1450s

Scaling (92 oct) 1329 (E85) 1008

Latency: From the data sheet included with the injectors
2.784
2.112
1.680
1.368
1.176
0.984
0.816


Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnBradley
PHP Code:
ID2000s

scaling 1624

latencies (very responsive) is:
9.38- .936
11.72- .672
14.06- .504
16.41- .384

Other people's random thoughts:


Originally Posted by razorlab (aka tuning genius)
First thing to look at is 02 feedback, that should be changing in real time and you do not have to wait for that to "cycle", just make sure the car is at operating temp.

if 02 feedback doesn't move whatsoever, then either you have a logging issue or your 02 is dead or disconnected.

On a Evo 8, fuel trims do not reset unless you cut the power to the ECU (disconnect the battery).

On a Evo 9, fuel trims reset every time you flash the ECU.

**Side note, make sure that your rear O2 sensor is not disabled via periphery bit, as fuel trims will not read.**

Quote:
Originally Posted by MalibuJack
Once you have the injectors scaled, look at your fuel trims, if their more than +25% you can adjust the scaling a little more until your closer to +/- 10%

Then you have to watch your fuel trims at idle, and cruising.. This is where your Injector Latency Voltage comes in.. If the trims at cruise are okay, then you adjust the lower voltage readings (below 13 volts) to increase the amount of fuel at idle slightly

Now, once your trims are within +/- 10% you can then make fine adjustments, but your open loop maps will be "Fairly close" but you have to watch it carefully not to go too lean, but you now have enough adjustment room to tune the car specific to its needs.. But at this point, when you transition to open loop, it should initially tip in a bit leaner, then stabilize a bit richer, but then the open loop maps get tuned.. Again, be careful since you don't want to let it go very lean, or be too lean at higher boost.. If it is, add fuel to the map, or adjust your injector scaling slightly (make the number a little lower) until its somewhere you want to work.

At this point, you should have STFT's that hover around 0%-5%, and LTFT's that are within 10%... You can adjust your idle speed slightly, and timing at idle to help the quality of your idle after you get to this point.

The result will be a drivable car, with a roughly stock-ish fuel table.. Then you go tune the car like you normally would...

Any additional closed loop adjustment would be in the fuel table, in closed loop fuel control, when you alter those settings in the fuel table, your just altering what would happen if your car had to run in open loop at idle and part throttle.. Obviously not useful unless you have a problem, but once you have those numbers close, the fuel trims are now closer to optimum and don't adjust as much.. Its not a huge deal if its not perfect, it just makes cold starting and driving the car (before the O2 sensor warms up) a little easier and less prone to poor drivability in those conditions, don't forget to check it a few times through the year as climate changes so you can get the best drivability.



Originally Posted by L2r99gst
(Original modified slightly by me)
1. Choose an Injector scaling number
2. Log trims at idle and cruise
3. If trims are roughly the same, but positive, then you need to lower your injector scaling number.
4. If both trims are roughly the same, but negative, then you need to raise your injector scaling number.
5. If idle or cruise trim is positive, then you need to increase the latency value.
6. If the idle or cruise trim is negative, you need to decrease the latency value.

Note: After #5 or #6, you may need to readjust #1 accordingly.

Note 2: #5 and #6 implicitly answer ludikraut's questions about affecting idle and cruise trims. Basically, let's say that the IPW is 1ms at idle and 2ms at cruise. If you adjust the deadtime to add 100us (.1 ms), then you are affecting the idle fueling 10% and the cruise fueling 5%.

More latency = more fuel
Lower scaling = more fuel

Latency will roughly affect idle about twice as much as cruise and almost nothing at WOT/high airlfow. It's is inversely proportional to the IPW.

Latency is basically telling the ECU how long the injector takes to repsond. So, if you put in a larger latency value, you are saying 'this injector is slow to respond, so add this amount of time to keep the injector open'. So, this time is basically added to the IPW. That's why it will affect idle more than cruise and WOT. The IPW at idle may be 1ms and cruise may be 2ms, for example. If you are adding 100us (.1 ms) to the deadtime, it's increasing the IPW by 10% at idle ( for a 1 ms IPW).



Originally Posted by Ludikraut
Question??? What is the relationship between the injector scaling value and the AFR values in the Fuel Map? Is it a linear relationship?

for example, let's say that I am running larger-than-stock injectors on my car which have been tuned via the fuel map only, not via rescaling the injector size. Does increasing the injector scaling by 10% then mandate reducing the fuel table by 10% to keep the AFR the same?



Originally Posted by MalibuJack
Answer....That is a reasonable assumption, however its not a completely linear relationship because of how injectors work..

If you tuned your map for your injectors (and performance) without the scaling, then you would indeed need to go back and alter the Fuel map if you used the rescaling feature..

If the car was already tuned for 550 injectors, and you added 780's, then rescaling the injectors should bring the tune "Close" to where it was before you added the new injectors, however a retune would be recommended (and likely necessary)

Make any sense?



Originally Posted by Mrfred
The latency (net time for the injectors to open and close) of the injectors is dependent on the voltage that the injectors see. The injectors take power straight from the battery. The 11 volt value sets the latency when the injectors are seeing 11 volts, and as razorlab implied, your car should never be operating at 11 volts except perhaps when starting.

The ECU does interpolate between latency values if the voltage is between two table values. I've never seen my car below 13.8 V except when cranking the starter, so for my setup, the 14.06 V latency controls pretty much everything. If you car gets down to the mid- or low- 13 V range, then the 11.72 V latency will play a role. The ECU uses simple linear interpolation, so if the voltage is, for instance, 13.3 V, then the latency used by the ECU will be 67% of the 14.06 V value + 33% of the 11.72 V value.



Originally Posted by Mrfred
Found this page that lists latency values for a bunch of different injectors. Don't know how accurate the values are, but could be a good starting point.

http://injector-rehab.com/kbse/lag.htm



Originally Posted by Fostytou
E85 will have a scaling ~30% lower than that of pump gas. Easiest way to get initial E85 scaling numbers is to take the actual injector size and multiple by .7 (for the evoscan formula) and .7 again (for E85).

jdmcwestevo
07-02-2009, 06:50 AM
haha how ironic i was trying to find some for these injectors since im lazy and hate doing latency and scaling on injectors. there is a massive thread on evom with a bunch of different ones u should comb through it and add here i'll get some useful info as well maybe we can get it stickied lol

Charlie@MFQ
07-02-2009, 06:59 AM
try this, it should get you pretty darn close, but still need fine tuning to get your fuel trim perfect. GL

FIC 950cc scale them to 812cc

VoltsÂ* Â* Â* MS
4.69Â* Â* Â*3.312
7.03Â* Â* Â*2.184
9.38Â* Â* Â*1.392
11.72Â* Â*0.912
14.06Â* Â*0.792
16.41Â* Â*0.408
18.68Â* Â*0.264

HMatt
07-02-2009, 10:59 AM
How are you liking the FIC 950's? Do you think they would be big enough for a FP Red on E-85?

I'm a big fan of the FIC guys. I'm looking at either those or the 1050's.

SoCalRedLine
07-02-2009, 12:24 PM
Thanks Charlie, you got a pretty darn good scaling here.
I'm going to have to try your 11v setting, cause it's running rich at cold/semi-warm start. I logged .792 at 14v last night and found it was running 14.2 average during cruise, mid fuel trim was -10 after 45min. Lo is still -1 tho. So I changed it to .768 @ 14v today, and will post trims after I get home from school.Â*

As far as if I like the injectors, yes...they provide waaaay more fuel. No noticible difference (yet) in milage, and no wierd idle issues like some report.
These are able to push a 8.0:1 afr at 21psi without maxing out at redline. So it's plenty big enough to dd e85...now I just gotta open my own station here in the OC and I'll be set ...lol

p.s. There is a table that referrences: crank pulse width v. Coolant temp. I will mess with that once I get more data in the 50-70° coolant temp range. At +10ms (about 90°F on the table) the car is starting at 10.5:1 afr, it calls for +15.4ms at 50°F so we will see what that does in the morning...:D
.

SoCalRedLine
07-02-2009, 06:27 PM
updated. please feel free to post up what you have working for you or if you would like to surf this thread and post up results...go for it :D
http://forums.evolutionm.net/ecuflash/207924-injector-scaling-latecy-different-injectors.html

RALLInspired
07-02-2009, 06:53 PM
updated. please feel free to post up what you have working for you or if you would like to surf this thread and post up results...go for it :D
http://forums.evolutionm.net/ecuflash/207924-injector-scaling-latecy-different-injectors.html

i don't like having to search for things in that thread lol... call me lazy. just update this thread much easier having them on one page.

RC 750
scaling 635.674

4.6875 - 4.104
7.03125 - 3.12
9.375 - 1.992
11.7188 - 1.224
14.0625 - 0.792
16.4062 - 0.576
18.6768 - 0.312

SoCalRedLine
07-02-2009, 09:06 PM
^seriously, I google that thread instead of looking or using their search.
Updated, thanks for your help

RALLInspired
07-02-2009, 09:52 PM
^seriously, I google that thread instead of looking or using their search.
Updated, thanks for your help

np anyone for FIC 1050's? can they all really be the same latencies??

SoCalRedLine
07-02-2009, 10:05 PM
Prolly not, I'd gueSs they were more like rc1000's as far as latency. It's not to hard to figure out the 14v latencyby just watching the wideband at startup.

SoCalRedLine
07-03-2009, 04:07 PM
OK. so after a few days of driving, I got a better latency...well 2 different ones depending on what you wantto happen.

With the 14v setting at .768ms I was seeing average cruise AFR's at 14.5:1...and my fuel trims were -1lo/-6mid

So, i didnt like running rich and wasting gas, so I wen to .744ms @ 14v. Bam exactly 14.7 average. Trims are +3lo/+1mid after 2 days.

If you want safety, use .768ms for the FIC 950's, if you like fuel economy use .744ms. :D

Also, I figured out what was causing the extended cranking at warm start (coolant from 50-90°). the crank enrichment was adding too much fuel, causing it to start at 8.0:1 AFR (no matter what changes were made to the 8v latency setting). So I reduced the IPW in those temp ranges by 20%, now it starts no problem 10.5:1 afr.

No more tuning for me, now I just gotta wait till my intercooler comes in :D

jdmcwestevo
07-03-2009, 05:39 PM
well i had them running good last night perfect 14.7 at idle start up and cruise :) i kno i rock and then today they started going crazy lol lean at idle then rich then lean and im like WTF pain in the ass lol

SoCalRedLine
07-03-2009, 05:54 PM
Lol, that's normal with large injectors. At idle they have 2x the deadtime of the stock injectors, so you will see fluctuations (even with RC1000's) as long as your average is 14.7, ur fine. What really matters, is that your open loop/wot pulls have the same afr as before. So far I'm liking these injectors, I seem to be getting the same milage, so that tells me I'm damn close on the scaling. Well see after I fill up next tank :)

jdmcwestevo
07-03-2009, 07:33 PM
lol my cars always seem to break in the weirdest ways lol. the little rubber o ring thing that seals the intake manifold ripped on one of the injectors making a massive vacuum leak that took 2 hours to find lol. i was so confused and by pure chance sprayed that part with throttle body cleaner and bam found it. lol fixing right now

dastallion951
07-04-2009, 02:01 PM
not tryin to sound like a newb but my fuel trims are off anyone have the numbers for pte 880s???

Charlie@MFQ
07-05-2009, 08:38 AM
not tryin to sound like a newb but my fuel trims are off anyone have the numbers for pte 880s???


Scaled to 790

MS
3.312
2.184
1.320
0.840
0.672
0.360
0.240

dastallion951
07-05-2009, 09:20 AM
appreciate it thanks charlie...just had motor rebuilt about 5k ago, added and aem intake and now my ltft and stft are both way into negative numbers, dont wanna run lean and do some damage ya know, good thing i cant boost past 7 psi

SoCalRedLine
07-05-2009, 11:47 AM
Fuel trims in the negative means it's running rich.

RALLInspired
07-05-2009, 02:28 PM
appreciate it thanks charlie...just had motor rebuilt about 5k ago, added and aem intake and now my ltft and stft are both way into negative numbers, dont wanna run lean and do some damage ya know, good thing i cant boost past 7 psi

the (+) means its adding fuel therefore meaning your settings are running lean and a (-) means it pulling fuel meaning your settings are rich. u may want to consider maf scaling due to your AEM intake.

dastallion951
07-05-2009, 10:18 PM
^^^ i said its a - number so its pullin fuel i just need to get tuned soon which is the next thing after a new uicp....and thatll be in next week... then off to TT for a tune...

RALLInspired
11-03-2009, 06:00 PM
Denso 660cc I just used these last night:

6.12
3.12
1.992
1.272
0.744
0.648
0.408

Scaling: 650

C-Spec Tuning
11-03-2009, 06:52 PM
for me denso 660cc scaling

6.12
3.12
1.992
1.272
0.744
0.648
0.408

Scaling: 636 or on some car 622

Denso 660cc flow almost as much as denso 720cc, and some flow exactly the same as 720cc

RALLInspired
11-03-2009, 06:56 PM
for me denso 660cc scaling

6.12
3.12
1.992
1.272
0.744
0.648
0.408

Scaling: 636 or on some car 622

+1 i've used 622-650 before. last night trims were still too negative. 650 did the job.

baylorar
11-04-2009, 11:27 AM
I had to scale my RC 1000s to 790 (left the latencies alone though from what Naji suggested).Â* I hate that process with a passion.

HMatt
12-01-2009, 04:39 PM
Ok... I just got a set of denso injectors off a guy free with a purchase of some cams (hell yeah). One problem though.... He said they were denso 750's... I didn't think denso made 750's, and I am pretty sure they aren't the RC "denso-style" 750's because they have the greenish-blue top and aren't solid black like every RC injector I have ever seen...

So what do you guys think? Just screw it and scale them like they 720's because that's probably what they are?

And if anyone has actually messed with denso 750's please post up those scalings if you don't mind!

SoCalRedLine
12-01-2009, 05:06 PM
It's not that hard to scale injectors. u just need a wideband plugged in to see what your idle afr's are. My suggestion, start with a denso 780 scaling, and see how close u are. There aren't too many different latencies that you can pick, it should only take u a good hour to get the scaling.

If u need help, I can scale them for you. :)

HMatt
12-01-2009, 05:26 PM
Well... I have no wideband... so that might be an issue, and I might take you up on that... I also have some hks 280's sitting in a box in my garage if you wanna help me dial those bad boys in with the injectors this weekend, that would be tits!

HMatt
12-05-2009, 02:43 PM
yep, denso 720's... googled the part number...

All hail the almighty goolge!

amaev05
12-08-2009, 09:06 AM
need help with the rc 1000cc the post earlier only shows 6 numbers?? first timer plan to run both 91 and e85

Evowned SE
12-08-2009, 09:25 AM
good info

amaev05
12-09-2009, 08:27 AM
help??

amaev05
12-10-2009, 06:36 PM
I figure we could use a thread for injector scalings and latencies.

I figured on average the Evo fuel pressure is about 35psi base, hence the small scalings for large injectors (I.e. 636cc for 720cc). So keep that in mind when deciding on your Injector Size Scaling.

Note: These values are mainly only tuned in the 8-14.3V range. The only way to get any other voltage readings is to use an oscilloscope and a test rig with Evo fuel pressures.

There is also a table that controls the injector pulse width during crank. It is correlated to Coolant temp, so if your car starts fine when warm, but cranks forever when cold. You will need to make adjustments to that table as well.

DO NOT attempt to scale your own injectors without a wideband.
The following values are RECOMMENDED and not exact to your application. Use at own risk.

Denso:
Denso 720cc injectors:
Scaling: 636

Latency:
6.12
3.12
1.992
1.272
0.744
0.648


HK$:


FIC:
FIC 950cc injectors
Scaling: 812cc

Latency:
3.312
2.184
1.32
.984
0.744
0.624
0.504

From FIC: FIC 850-1050cc latency:
10 v, 12 v ,14v ,16 v
1.38, 1.13, 0.97, 0.88 opening response time (ms)
All measurements at 43.5 psi (3 bar)


Precision Turbo (PTE):
PTE 780cc injectors
Scaling: 731cc

Latency:
3.288
2.184
1.392
0.960
0.744
0.552
0.432

PTE 880cc injectors
Scaling: 770cc
Latencys:
3.648
2.016
1.392
0.984
0.744
0.576
0.456

PTE

RC Engineering:
RC 750cc injectors
scaling 635.674

4.6875Â* Â* - 4.104
7.03125Â* - 3.12
9.375Â* Â* Â* - 1.992
11.7188Â* - 1.224
14.0625Â* - 0.792
16.4062Â* - 0.576
18.6768Â* - 0.312

RC 1000cc injectors (thanks naji O0)
Scaling: 835

Latency:
3.312
2.184
.936
.642
.384
.288



^^^ any help with the last number for the rc 1000cc ??

HMatt
12-10-2009, 08:39 PM
It looks like it's missing a number on the top... You can try searching on evom, they have a much bigger thread with this info in it...

amaev05
12-12-2009, 03:57 PM
yea just thought that this thread is supposed to help every one..... sure i can get the info elsewhere but then the next guy will be in the same position i am in.

SoCalRedLine
12-13-2009, 03:34 PM
heh...ill update this once finals are over (wed) O0

HMatt
12-14-2009, 07:43 PM
yea just thought that this thread is supposed to help every one..... sure i can get the info elsewhere but then the next guy will be in the same position i am in.


Ok... so quit yer bitchin... look it up on evom, then type it up in here.

amaev05
12-15-2009, 02:06 PM
wow you are something else. ^ perhaps others should tell you the same about all your questions. no need to be rude

HMatt
12-15-2009, 06:22 PM
Jeez, can't take a joke very well can you?

I'm just saying, as you can tell, people have been posting the scalings as they find them, so if you have found them, post them up. There is no need to bump the thread until you get the answer you want. If somebody had them, they would have posted them. Simple as that.

If you are still unhappy about my previous comment, I suggest you fill out the form below and turn it into the proper authority on the forum.

HMatt
12-15-2009, 06:27 PM
Oh, and found this on evom:

Scale to: 835
3.312
2.208
1.704
0.888
0.600
0.360
0.264

That's pretty darn close to what was posted up here.

SoCalRedLine
12-18-2009, 03:14 PM
thread has been updated with more info than any u guys can handle :D

...just like i promised

RALLInspired
12-18-2009, 03:29 PM
Great info compressed into one spot. Too bad Ive been through all that before this short short version LOL. Work much appreciated.

oldevodude
12-19-2009, 03:22 AM
thread has been updated with more info than any u guys can handle :D

...just like i promised


Not that I need the info. but wanted to say mad props for doing the investment of time to pull it together for the community.

SoCalRedLine
12-19-2009, 07:21 PM
^heh. Thanks, but I simply took the time to cut/paste, as fast Freddie on evoM deserves the full credit of compiling that list from the original thread.

oldevodude
12-22-2009, 12:15 AM
^heh. Thanks, but I simply took the time to cut/paste, as fast Freddie on evoM deserves the full credit of compiling that list from the original thread.


Still an effort most don't take