ATTN Evo 10 E85 users!

[earlyapex]

I've been having an issue on a local Evo 10 with some fuel delivery problems on E85 that we had kept chasing and couldn't quite get...

1. Fuel Relay OK
2. Upgraded Injectors
3. FuelLab AFPR (raised pressure no change)
4. Walboro in-tank pump...

This, as far as I know, was the first Evo 10 tuned on E85 in America. We tuned this back in March, on the stock turbo (it now has a Blouch Dominator 2) so it most likely has the most miles on E85 of any other, you can see the results here: http://forums.evolutionm.net/7044333-post55.html

Today it came back in after upgrading the underhood fuel lines, adding a upgraded fuel rail and a FuelLab AFPR. Still same issues.

I finally decided to take the pump out and check things out. Here is what I found:

http://norcalmotorsports.org/users/bryan/mods/EVO/tech/E85/Evo10/evo10_stockAssemblyLinesE85.jpg

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Notice the orange Ultimate Racing Supplied slinky fuel line. Guess what color they are in regular gasoline and stock? Semi-translucent white, like this:

http://norcalmotorsports.org/users/bryan/mods/EVO/tech/E85/Evo10/EvoX-FuelPumpKit4.JPG

The line was also sticky to the touch which I imagine is because it has been breaking down in the E85. The black slinky line was as well. (disregard the loose pump)

The fuel pump sock used was also the "walbro" kit cotton based sock which had all the cotton broken down and missing, which is probably now in the fuel pump and filter.

We will be replacing the slinky OEM line (which is pretty ghetto to begin with) with real fuel hose.

I *HIGHLY* recommend all Evo 10 E85 users to replace these lines with real fuel hose and do not use the cotton based fuel sock, but a Evo 8/9 OEM sock or some other non-cotton based one.

[blkside]

Good info .. I will be converting sooner than later and this will def be done before going in..

[GokuSSJ4]

Well I'm glad someone is checking on what e85 can do to the cars. Things like this are
very hard to spot unless you look for them.
Thanks for the info.

[jdmcwestevo]

saw this over on evom very interesting has anyone found this to happen on the 8/9

[Skiracer]

Great find! O0

[ciclops99]

+2 has anyone found anything on the Evo 8-9??

[earlyapex]

+2 has anyone found anything on the Evo 8-9??


The 8/9 do not use these slinky lines.

[Skiracer]

When i got some fuel lines to connect my Zeitronix Ethanol Content Analyzer, i picked up some fuel line from Napa which is designed to handle 100% methanol. Maybe you can use this stuff for a fuel line:
http://partimages2.genpt.com/partimages/683115.pdf

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EDIT.... I'M NOT SURE IF THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOSE IS ABLE TO WITHSTAND ALCOHOL FUELS.......SO DOUBLE CHECK SINCE IT APPEARS THE ENTIRE HOSE GETS SUBMERGED IN THE FUEL...

[FUEL]

what other parts can the E-85 damage?

[06EvoRacerIX]

If not intended for that type of fuel, it can damage tons of things. If any other component is of the same material as the pump screen then you take the chance of damaging the engine by causing a clog and running the motor lean ,

[EvoPwr]

+2 has anyone found anything on the Evo 8-9??


The 8/9 do not use these slinky lines.


That is good to know

[Skiracer]

If you're looking for a submersible hose that's E85 compatibile, i'd try emailing these guys since they're one of the largest industrial hose makers:
http://www.gates.com/

[Doctor Evo]

What is required for an evo 10 to run on e85

[blkside]

Pump
1000cc (recommended)
E85
Tune
Upgrade shitty lines

[Doctor Evo]

Can road race do this? also... where are all the E85 stations at?

[Blak94GSX]

Yeah RRE can set you up with an E85 package, with all the stuff you need.

The only LA area E85 station is currently in Brentwood.

[scottr126]

The white line that turned orange was provided with the fuel pump kit from Ultimate Racing. From the factory both lines are black and are un-affected by E85.

I would highly reccomend looking into this fuel system : ) - http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-x-engine-turbo-drivetrain/457082-ams-650hp-evo-x-fuel-system-works.html

[earlyapex]

I guess I never updated this thread. Sorry it's hard to keep up with all the forums some times.

Yes indeed that line that turned orange is from the UR kit. Which alot of people do (did) have when upgrading to E85 on the 10's. So it's no really mis-information at all, I just forgot to update the thread. ;)

And FYI, the black lines where starting to break down as well.

[scottr126]

It's all good. Just wanted to clear that up. I edited my post. We have two e85 evo x's both at about 450 hp. No issues at all with the kit in my last post.

[mazdaspeed619sd]

how much of a bump in HP do you guys get after going E85? And whats the MPG?

[Blak94GSX]

Typically around 80HP over 91 octane. Fuel mileage is about 30% worse than 91.

[EvoXMRsst]

i wonder if i can run ethonal in my Evo X MR? last owners says it has 1000cc injectors,BBX turbo,AMS FMIC,SSP Tranny cooler/pan...?

[Blak94GSX]

Should work

[blkside]

I would have someone knowledgeable look at it before you just throw it in... Guy above is genius as well as rre ...

[timlucken]

Yea I went to go do a e85 tune and found out that I need upgraded slinky fuel line because the factory one will break down in the e85. It is easy to find a fuel line that can run e85 fuel through the inside of the line but the hard part is to find a line that can be submerged in e85 because most e85 compatible fuel lines cant be submerged without being broken down externally. The evo 8 and 9 stock fuel lines are e85 compatible, but they are to short to use in the evo x since the two pumps are designed differently.
I also discovered that I would need to get a stock evo 9 fuel sock since the stock fuel sock for the evo x’s are not e85 compatible. I guess the stock x fuel sock or filter is cotton based and when running e85 the cotton will break down and get stuck in the fuel pump and also make its way to the injectors.

[AlphaKennyBody]

Â* Â*Â* Yea I went to go do a e85 tune and found out that I need upgraded slinky fuel line because the factory one will break down in the e85.Â* It is easy to find a fuel line that can run e85 fuel through the inside of the line but the hard part is to find a line that can be submerged in e85 because most e85 compatible fuel lines cant be submerged without being broken down externally.Â* The evo 8 and 9 stock fuel lines are e85 compatible, but they are to short to use in the evo x since the two pumps are designed differently.Â* Â*
Â* Â* Â*I also discovered that I would need to get a stock evo 9 fuel sock since the stock fuel sock for the evo x’s are not e85 compatible.Â* I guess the stock x fuel sock or filter is cotton based and when running e85 the cotton will break down and get stuck in the fuel pump and also make its way to the injectors.Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*


Usually, for the Evo X Fuel pump kit.... they come with a line. I'm personally using a Cobb Walbro Kit... it included everything that you need for E85. However, for the sock filter I'm using an Evo 9 one. I was luck enough to also find a lancer Sock at the Junkyard once.

When in doubt you can spend the extra money and buy the Blaq Ops Walbro Kit which includes everything....

http://www.speedelement.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=2722&category_id=344&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1

[timlucken]

See I bought the deatchworks dw65c fuel pump it’s advertised as just plug and play so I had the impression that’s all I will need. The only thing it came with is the pump and two o rings. I was looking for a fuel pump that would fit the stock housing. I wanted the wallbro 255 but I was told I would have to buy the whole fuel pump housing. I saw that ultimate racing makes a fuel pump that fits the wallbro 255, but I notice that the fuel lines on that pump look the same as those on the stock fuel pump housing so you still cant run e85.

[timlucken]

I got rid of my dw65 and got a walbro 255lph fuel pump because it comes with the proper fuel lines and fuel sock. The problem with the dw65 is that they do not make a after market fuel sock that fits that pump, even the stock 9 sock wont fit that pump(evo 9 and evo x pumps are completely different). We called deatchworks and they said the stock x sock is fine on e85, but if you keep reading the forms they are several complaints on how the cotton brakes down on the stock x fuel sock then get stuck in the pump. Choice is up to you.

[Evoside]

So the whole purpose of e85 is for more power or save gas mileage?

[AlphaKennyBody]

Well realistically its to be greener for the planet less smog and ya know....

But people discovered that on E85, you can run some crazy Timing to increase power over the standard pump gas i.e 91 Pump. If you are going to run E85 as a gas saver..... good luck.

If your running it for the benefit of increased power then your on the right track.

[Latinimagexx]

I was thinking about converting over to e85, but I know I will go through it quick. With gains I will get it will have me speeding like a mad man.

[rdevox]

I got rid of my dw65 and got a walbro 255lph fuel pump because it comes with the proper fuel lines and fuel sock. The problem with the dw65 is that they do not make a after market fuel sock that fits that pump, even the stock 9 sock wont fit that pump(evo 9 and evo x pumps are completely different). We called deatchworks and they said the stock x sock is fine on e85, but if you keep reading the forms they are several complaints on how the cotton brakes down on the stock x fuel sock then get stuck in the pump. Choice is up to you.

I used dW 65c pump with no issues on e85. I modified housing to except Walbro sock filter.

http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s497/ronniediaz12/E41FB15A-EF62-4813-923C-864C19CAA7A4-10960-000007BE5558CB8F_zps09890f67.jpg

[marcpaelo]

hi everyone. does this problem still happens on a 2011 GSR? cause im plannin to get my e85 tune by the end of the month and i have my DW 65 in hand already. should i change it to walbro 255?

[Mike W]

Nothing has changed in the fuel pump assemblies over the years.


Mike W

[ikt]

Just because the hose turns yellow doesn't mean it failed, I've ran E85 on all my Evo X's over the last 5 years with no issues. You can also run the stock fuel pump up to 400whp. It flows 240lph.

[missael23]

good looking out