Need Help Rear Toe Adjustment

[xevoxx]

Hello,

I just got out of the alignment shop and they told me that they can do anything with my rear toe. It's toe'd in really bad and wearing out my tires.

Current car condition is about i finger gap from tire to fender.

Alignment shop told me that the spacer by the toe bolt is not adjusting correctly and I guest it's not holding the adjustment.

Would another new stock toe bolt help?

Has anybody here lowered their car about one finger gap from the rear section and still able to adjust toe? Please help!

[kambodianboi]

Maybe try some adjustable aftermarket control arms?

[xevoxx]

I was thinking about that. My buddy is lowered than mine but his Evo x was adjusted toe just fine. Wtf

[xevoxx]

Bump for anybody that's slammed with toe adjustment problems

[Muellerized...]

Hello,

I just got out of the alignment shop and they told me that they can do anything with my rear toe. Â*It's toe'd in really bad and wearing out my tires. Â*

Current car condition is about i finger gap from tire to fender.

Alignment shop told me that the spacer by the toe bolt is not adjusting correctly and I guest it's not holding the adjustment.

Would another new stock toe bolt help?

Has anybody here lowered their car about one finger gap from the rear section and still able to adjust toe? Â*Please help!

Have yet to meet an "unalignable" evo, and I do see so many stripped rear eccentric bolts on used evos nowadays I stock more suspension hardware than any of the local mitsubishi dealers. It is common for people to overtighten the eccentric bolts by rounding out the eccentric washer, and/or ruining the threads themselves.

Thanks.

[xevoxx]

So no matter how low it is, the toe should be able to be adjusted

[EVOanthony]

I was thinking about that. My buddy is lowered than mine but his Evo x was adjusted toe just fine. Wtf


Cause I got magic toe...

[Rencii]

So no matter how low it is, the toe should be able to be adjusted


You should take it to muellerized and have them find out =)

[xevoxx]

I know, I want to but since I just came back from disability leave, my time off are all exhausted. They dont open on weekends......it would really be convenient if they did! lol

[xevoxx]

Hi. Ok here is the dilemna. I went to south coast mitsubishi and picked up the toe and shims bolt for the rears to do the alignment one more time. Well, it all FAILED. When installing the bolt, the alignment specialist found out that the frame where the bolt goes in is damaged and he doesnt know what caused it to be like this. He adjusted as much as he can but we are still negative on the toe and shredding my tires.

I attached a picture and hopefully someone could help in this matter. I am currently thinking just buying aftermarket toe rod to use instead of stock. Would I have a problem installing the toe rod while the frame is like this?

Please HELP

[xevoxx]

bump

[EVOanthony]

Toe arms should fix the problem. Don't think the damage will keep you from installing them.

[Mike W]

Looks like you were driving for sometime with the bolt loose and that wore away the shoulder area on the crossmember with the adjuster flopping around. A real shop can weld and repair the crossmember so that the shoulders are there. It wont be cheap and it wont happen all on a Saturday. If you just bolt in an adjustable arm, it will still move around until you get that bolt fixed up solid.

Mike W

[xevoxx]

So it needs to be welded. Wow, this is not good. Any shops you recommend that can do that?

[xevoxx]

If the adjustable arm is only a bolt to hold it and allows no adjustment on the bolt, it can't be just torqued down tight? Is the hole that the bolt goes into have movement inside?

[EVOanthony]

Looks like you were driving for sometime with the bolt loose and that wore away the shoulder area on the crossmember with the adjuster flopping around. A real shop can weld and repair the crossmember so that the shoulders are there. It wont be cheap and it wont happen all on a Saturday. If you just bolt in an adjustable arm, it will still move around until you get that bolt fixed up solid.

Mike W



Mike,

We were talking about that being a possibility, but weren't sure. You just confirmed worse case scenario.

Given that, would a few spot welds on the bolt head to the cross member work? If hr ever needs to get the bolt out he could just grind off the spot welds.....? This is with the adjustable toe rods of course.

[Muellerized...]

So it needs to be welded. Wow, this is not good. Any shops you recommend that can do that?

Fixing this is not a problem, call Orlando and schedule an appointment.
714-850-1670

[EVOanthony]

So it needs to be welded. Wow, this is not good. Any shops you recommend that can do that?

Fixing this is not a problem, call Orlando and schedule an appointment.
714-850-1670


Good option for you since they are closer than Evasive.

[xevoxx]

So it needs to be welded. Wow, this is not good. Any shops you recommend that can do that?

Fixing this is not a problem, call Orlando and schedule an appointment.
714-850-1670


So for sure you can work that bolt? I called and hoping you can schedule for tomorrow. I need this taken care of ASAP.

[Mike W]

So for sure you can work that bolt? I called and hoping you can schedule for tomorrow. I need this taken care of ASAP.


A real shop can weld and repair the crossmember so that the shoulders are there. It wont be cheap and it wont happen all on a Saturday. Mueller has a real shop and is not afraid to use his welder.

Mike W

[Muellerized...]

Mueller has a real shop and is not afraid to use his welder.

Mike W


A better question is which one of my welders? I find I sleep better at night having at least 3 working welders at my office at all times...

[EVOanthony]

Mueller has a real shop and is not afraid to use his welder.

Mike W


A better question is which one of my welders? I find I sleep better at night having at least 3 working welders at my office at all times...


I was told you guys were going to charge him $1000 for this work?!?

And something about him having to raise his car up because he doesn't have enough suspension travel?

[sales@muellerized]

I was told you guys were going to charge him $1000 for this work?!?

And something about him having to raise his car up because he doesn't have enough suspension travel?


More complete inaccuracy from the internet.

The saying "no good deed goes unpunished" comes to mind.

Here's what we did.

1. We accommodated the customer's schedule yesterday despite just having returned from MOD 2011 3 days ago and with John going out of the country to support international clients TODAY.

2. The client did not make us aware that he needed to be home at a certain time as we had asked him to please try to find a ride so that we could work our schedule to meet his timetable.Â* We began disassembling the car.Â* When the client made us aware that he needed to leave "right now" we reassembled his car, charged him .5 hour for the labor completed today, and sent him on his way.

3. Both John and I worked until roughly 9 PM last night and did not leave until this customer had an estimate which detailed all the work we thought he would need, including the fasteners we absolutely want to replace as well as labor for adjusting his ride heights.Â* The customer's Evo had a pretty significant rake as it came in and the ride heights of the suspension were too slammed low to really allow the customer's car to handle well and maintain reasonable ride quality on rough southern california roads as the customer preferred based on the way he filled out his info form.

4. The estimate, which we quoted on the high side so that the customer would not have any more surprises, was barely half of what you state.Â* We think based on our dialogue with him that he's had way too many surprises already from unscrupulous shops.Â* I recall him telling me with great frustration how one of the last shops he went to he had to go back 3 times to bring them parts.Â* Quite the opposite here, as we have everything in stock to fix his car ON SITE.Â* John himself went through the car and walked the customer through what needed to get done and explained his level of expertise with fabrication.

Regards,
Orlando Rojas
Operations Manager
[email protected]
Phone: (714) 850-1670
Fax:Â* Â*(714) 850-1690
Visit Muellerized.com (http://www.muellerized.com/)
Phone Hours: 10-6 PST
Monday through Friday
(Sat. by appointment)

[EVOanthony]

I was told you guys were going to charge him $1000 for this work?!?

And something about him having to raise his car up because he doesn't have enough suspension travel?


More complete inaccuracy from the internet.

The saying "no good deed goes unpunished" comes to mind.



I did not get my information from the internet.

The saying "bait and switch" comes to mind.

[xevoxx]

I'm on my iPhone so bare with me. Â*

I went there yesterday as I don't have a clue how to get this fixed and on my previous post, you stated that it doesn't matter how slammed I am you can still do the work. Â*I am frustrated because of what happen to my car and bashing on my cheap Megan does not justify you being a dick to talk to. Â*In pretty sure that you have good rep in this board since you have fixed a bunch of evo's and track Evo. Â*I am just a normal person and want to make my car look nice for my commute to work. Â*Sorry if I'm not your average track guy.

I did pay for your time yesterday and requested a quote so you can Put on paper but until now, I have not yet received a quote for the work and you just sent a quote for alignment of $113.

I asked you Orlando, how much....I said $1000, you said not that....I asked $500. You said more. Â*What the fuck is it then?

Anyways, I'm not here to bash on your work as Orlando is a very nice guy. Â*John however is a dick to talk to.

[EVOanthony]

I'm on my iPhone so bare with me.Â*

I went there yesterday as I don't have a clue how to get this fixed and on my previous post, you stated that it doesn't matter how slammed I am you can still do the work.Â* I am frustrated because of what happen to my car and bashing on my cheap Megan does not justify you being a dick to talk to.Â* In pretty sure that you have good rep in this board since you have fixed a bunch of evo's and track Evo.Â* I am just a normal person and want to make my car look nice for my commute to work.Â* Sorry if I'm not your average track guy.

I did pay for your time yesterday and requested a quote so you can Put on paper but until now, I have not yet received a quote for the work and you just sent a quote for alignment of $113.

I asked you Orlando, how much....I said $1000, you said not that....I asked $500. You said more.Â* What the fuck is it then?

Anyways, I'm not here to bash on your work as Orlando is a very nice guy.Â* John however is a dick to talk to.


Your car is not even "slammed"....not sure why they called it "slammed"
This is slammed:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5179/5517380337_f3ae552f9d.jpg
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[sales@muellerized]

I'm on my iPhone so bare with me. Â*

I went there yesterday as I don't have a clue how to get this fixed and on my previous post, you stated that it doesn't matter how slammed I am you can still do the work. Â*I am frustrated because of what happen to my car and bashing on my cheap Megan does not justify you being a dick to talk to. Â*In pretty sure that you have good rep in this board since you have fixed a bunch of evo's and track Evo. Â*I am just a normal person and want to make my car look nice for my commute to work. Â*Sorry if I'm not your average track guy.

I did pay for your time yesterday and requested a quote so you can Put on paper but until now, I have not yet received a quote for the work and you just sent a quote for alignment of $113.

I asked you Orlando, how much....I said $1000, you said not that....I asked $500. You said more. Â*What the fuck is it then?

Anyways, I'm not here to bash on your work as Orlando is a very nice guy. Â*John however is a dick to talk to.


Actually, I said I didn't think it would be much more than the $500 range and I said to please not quote me on that because I wanted to have a dialogue with John.Â* Do you remember that?Â* Perhaps I did not speak clearly enough.Â* Luckily, that's why we do provide written estimates.Â* It looks like the one I sent you last night was the wrong one.Â* A simple miss on the drag and drop.Â* Sorry about that.Â* I e-mailed you just now with the correct estimate.Â* You'll see it's right around what I discussed with you and is very clear as to what the different costs are.

Please let us know what you think.

Did you get the e-mails and phone voice mails I left for you trying to sort this out?

I would hope that we can keep this dialogue between you and us, but it appears your friend for some reason thinks that we tried to quote you $1,000.00 which is just not true.Â* Perhaps it's a misunderstanding, but I was just trying to set the record straight.

John tried to get through the situation as quickly as possible which I explained we all were because we were trying to accommodate you.Â* I did not experience him being a dick to you, but he was certainly as straightforward as possible.Â* There are multiple parts of your subframe that need repair.Â* Unlike other shops we are trying to be up front with you.Â* It is unfortunate that you are confusing straightforward _honesty_ with you thinking we are trying to be dicks.



Your car is not even "slammed"....not sure why they called it "slammed"


I am not trying to argue here or insult the client based on his car's ride height.Â* We consider a car "slammed" when it's low enough that the car is very likely riding on the bump stop most anywhere it goes and the front roll center is ridiculously underground.Â* We have cars with low ride heights that with the proper suspension modifications can handle and ride pretty stellar.

To each his own.Â* If you want to have that low of a ride height for aesthetics that's fine.Â* We don't expect you to be a road racer, a drag racer, a keyboard racer, or any kind of racer.Â* However, if you fill out our questionnaire and describe your ride quality and grip preferences and they are not in line with your suspension's ride height (or any of the other major hardware selections or adjustments) we are going to tell you so.



I did not get my information from the internet.

The saying "bait and switch" comes to mind.


Yet your information was incorrect and you were posting it on the internet (again, I'm pointing out your claim that we quoted him $1000), which was the only reason we pointed it out.

Bait and switch is just not a tactic we use here.Â* This is the kind of wording we use on an estimate when someone wants to come in for an alignment complaining of their car not being align-able by another so called alignment shop:

"NOTE: Alignment is hourly only, alignment number above is for an undamaged car.Â* There is pre-existing damage on this vehicle.Â* We will need to address this damage so that the vehicle can be aligned within spec."

Hope that clears up everything.Â* If not, please feel free to call us (instead of typing on that iphone, just call us, it will be faster).Â* We have now left 2 voicemails and sent 2 e-mails with no response from the client.

Is it time for tacos yet?

Regards,
Orlando Rojas
Operations Manager
[email protected]
Phone: (714) 850-1670
Fax:Â*Â* (714) 850-1690
Visit Muellerized.com (http://www.muellerized.com/)
Phone Hours: 10-6 PST
Monday through Friday
(Sat. by appointment)

[xevoxx]

Cool...cool.....got it fixed and back to stock alignment. Handles freaking awesome with better tire wear. Now I can roll around lowered and not looking like rally evo and all up in the air. lol

[xevoxx]

Go Massimo Power!!!

[kambodianboi]

Glad you got it sorted out!

[EVOanthony]

Cool...cool.....got it fixed and back to stock alignment. Handles freaking awesome with better tire wear. Now I can roll around lowered and not looking like rally evo and all up in the air. lol


And how much? Lol

[sidewaysevo]

Massimo Power ftw!

[FUEL]

Cool...cool.....got it fixed and back to stock alignment.Â* Handles freaking awesome with better tire wear.Â* Now I can roll around lowered and not looking like rally evo and all up in the air.Â* lol


Glad you got things sorted....so do you still have limited suspension travel? Or did you install a RCK to address the problem of the car riding on the bump stops ?

Geometry :smitten:

[EVOanthony]

Cool...cool.....got it fixed and back to stock alignment.Â* Handles freaking awesome with better tire wear.Â* Now I can roll around lowered and not looking like rally evo and all up in the air.Â* lol


Glad you got things sorted....so do you still have limited suspension travel? Or did you install a RCK to address the problem of the car riding on the bump stops ?

Geometry :smitten:


Why would he send the money on that for a car that will rarely see the track if ever.

[EvolutionXtacy]

Cool...cool.....got it fixed and back to stock alignment.Â* Handles freaking awesome with better tire wear.Â* Now I can roll around lowered and not looking like rally evo and all up in the air.Â* lol


Glad you got things sorted....so do you still have limited suspension travel? Or did you install a RCK to address the problem of the car riding on the bump stops ?

Geometry :smitten:


Why would he send the money on that for a car that will rarely see the track if ever.


cause race car!

[EVOanthony]

Cool...cool.....got it fixed and back to stock alignment.Â* Handles freaking awesome with better tire wear.Â* Now I can roll around lowered and not looking like rally evo and all up in the air.Â* lol


Glad you got things sorted....so do you still have limited suspension travel? Or did you install a RCK to address the problem of the car riding on the bump stops ?

Geometry :smitten:


Why would he send the money on that for a car that will rarely see the track if ever.


cause race car!


Lol!

He's better off spending the money on an actual track day to become race car driver first ;)

[FUEL]

Cool...cool.....got it fixed and back to stock alignment.Â* Handles freaking awesome with better tire wear.Â* Now I can roll around lowered and not looking like rally evo and all up in the air.Â* lol


Glad you got things sorted....so do you still have limited suspension travel? Or did you install a RCK to address the problem of the car riding on the bump stops ?Â*

Geometry :smitten:


Why would he send the money on that for a car that will rarely see the track if ever.


Possibly so his car will not ride like "Poop" and bounce around like a ghetto Honda on cut springs? It will correct his suspension geometry....when you "lower/slam" a car everything gets thrown "out of wack"...the RCK will "correct" some of that.Â* He can save his tires...Evo suspension parts will be a little happier.... a RCK has ZERO to do with going on a racetrack.
He can ride around like a 64' Low Low all he wants and still keep his Evo happy as long as the correct parts are there.

[Muellerized...]

Cool...cool.....got it fixed and back to stock alignment. Handles freaking awesome with better tire wear. Now I can roll around lowered and not looking like rally evo and all up in the air. lol

Unfortunately this thread has been going on while I am sitting on an airplane heading to a 2 day test in the carribean. We quoted you on expertly tig welding your subframe back together and refinishing it to literally good as new. I am fine with you taking your evo elsewhere, as a person can always do less for less, which is the likely scenario with your issue. I made every effort in good faith to help you on a difficult timeline, and it seems you would rather settle for flaming me on the forum than returning orlando's phone calls and emails. I hope things work out well for you.

[HMatt]

Well... this is awesome. Kids these days.

[xevoxx]

Hahahah I am happy and it doesn't bounce like a cut springs. Oh and yes, I am a kid that has a kid and a wife and mid 30's but my Evo makes me a kid. I knew this comment will come up. Hahahah.

Mueller is good but not my cup of tea. Maybe someday but not now.

[xevoxx]

Popcorn

[EVOanthony]

Cool...cool.....got it fixed and back to stock alignment.Â* Handles freaking awesome with better tire wear.Â* Now I can roll around lowered and not looking like rally evo and all up in the air.Â* lol


Glad you got things sorted....so do you still have limited suspension travel? Or did you install a RCK to address the problem of the car riding on the bump stops ?Â*

Geometry :smitten:


Why would he send the money on that for a car that will rarely see the track if ever.


Possibly so his car will not ride like "Poop" and bounce around like a ghetto Honda on cut springs? It will correct his suspension geometry....when you "lower/slam" a car everything gets thrown "out of wack"...the RCK will "correct" some of that.Â* He can save his tires...Evo suspension parts will be a little happier.... a RCK has ZERO to do with going on a racetrack.
He can ride around like a 64' Low Low all he wants and still keep his Evo happy as long as the correct parts are there.


His car does not ride like shit without the roll center kit. He drives the car like 6k miles a year and spending $400+ on a RCK makes no sense for him right now.

I love your detail description of the advantages of a RCK. How will a RCK keep him from riding on bump stops IF he were already doing so?

This thread was supposed to ne about fixing his rear toe problem. If you want go on about the merits of a RCK and try to sell people on them create your own thread....maybe create it in the muellerized section so you can get some kind of kick down from them.

[EVOanthony]

Orlando,

When I said $1000 it was in a form of a question. I could not understand how it could have been that much so I wanted to ask is all.

I've known of your shop for awhile and have nothing against you guys. I've actually done at least one track day with you guys. It was a private event a few years ago with AE performance (maybe Live Sockets) when you were first testing your evo X, but I had a silver s2000 at the time.

[xevoxx]

Dude is there a popcorn pix? Fucking iPhone man....

[EVOanthony]

Dude is there a popcorn pix? Fucking iPhone man....


Yes, in my pants.

[xevoxx]

Really I wanted to fix my toe. Â*That's all.....lol

Hey Anthony, I tracked a lot with my s2000, I just can't keep up with you. Â*I need to grow some balls enter each corner like you.

[xevoxx]

Dude is there a popcorn pix? Fucking iPhone man....


Yes, in my pants.


Ohhh I like!!!

[xevoxx]

Freaking iPhone mang! This sucks! I replied on your quote and my response got included eighths quote. Hahahah

[EVOanthony]

Really I wanted to fix my toe. Â*That's all.....lol

Hey Anthony, I tracked a lot with my s2000, I just can't keep up with you. Â*I need to grow some balls enter each corner like you.


You just needed RCK...lol.

This forum sucks on the phone when trying to post. Just another excuse to stay off the forums.

reminds me of the saying, "those who can't do teach....those who can't teach post on forums".

[xevoxx]

Lol

[estribo714]

can i post whore in here also?

[EVOanthony]

can i post whore in here also?


Yes, but only if you have xbox360.

[xevoxx]

Heck yeah!!!! Xbox fanboy

[xevoxx]

Let's go get coffee at south coast tonight? Yes, no....?

Walk around the mall and check out a new xbox

[xevoxx]

We can play forza and slam an Evo and race. Lol

[EvolutionXtacy]

can we have sex in your car, and test the suspension stiffness ;)

[xevoxx]

Oh wow!

[EVOanthony]

Oh wow! Damn too bad I'm married cause I would comment on this in so many unethical ways....

That's awesome though!


Haha I knew you were in the closet.....

[xevoxx]

Hahahaha!

[EVOanthony]

Haha edit fail...

[xevoxx]

Fuck! I can't help it when there's gay comments like that. Hahaha.

[estribo714]

HAHAHA FAILED!!

[xevoxx]

HShahs I know dude so now I don't have to worry what I Gots to say. Really thAt was a chick. Who in the right mind would put a comment let's have sex to check out the stiffness to another dude. This guy likes to get butt f@&ked. Hahahah

[EvoPwr]

Deja Vu

[FUEL]

Cool...cool.....got it fixed and back to stock alignment.Â* Handles freaking awesome with better tire wear.Â* Now I can roll around lowered and not looking like rally evo and all up in the air.Â* lol


Glad you got things sorted....so do you still have limited suspension travel? Or did you install a RCK to address the problem of the car riding on the bump stops ?Â*

Geometry :smitten:


Why would he send the money on that for a car that will rarely see the track if ever.


Possibly so his car will not ride like "Poop" and bounce around like a ghetto Honda on cut springs? It will correct his suspension geometry....when you "lower/slam" a car everything gets thrown "out of wack"...the RCK will "correct" some of that.Â* He can save his tires...Evo suspension parts will be a little happier.... a RCK has ZERO to do with going on a racetrack.
He can ride around like a 64' Low Low all he wants and still keep his Evo happy as long as the correct parts are there.


His car does not ride like shit without the roll center kit. He drives the car like 6k miles a year and spending $400+ on a RCK makes no sense for him right now.

I love your detail description of the advantages of a RCK. How will a RCK keep him from riding on bump stops IF he were already doing so?

This thread was supposed to ne about fixing his rear toe problem. If you want go on about the merits of a RCK and try to sell people on them create your own thread....maybe create it in the muellerized section so you can get some kind of kick down from them.


It doesn'tÂ* matter if he drives the car 6K a year or 60K a year. "Slammed Evo's" riding on bumpstops without the proper support of correct suspension mods ride and handle like crap it is a fact...I didn't make this rule it is what it is.Â* The suspension parts are not working like those niffty little engineers over at Mitsu designed them to . For one the A-arm of the car gets all pushed up in an awkward angle and it doesn't like that very much. It will cause the car to buck and just act all goofy. But I am sure you know all this right?
RCK will help that problem out a bit...not entirely since I am sure there are other issues that need to be addressed with this car....considering the subframe needed some kind of welding :buck2:
I made a simple suggestion since he prefers the "slammed" look and chooses that over having a better then stock handling Evo. Nothing more or less. :crazy2:

It really is too bad there are not many people who get to ride in well set up Evo's. You should take a ride in one it will enlighten you.

I really wish Muellerized would "kick down some free stuff"...but alas it isn't to be....no matter how much I post. The place is a real live working business that requires money for parts and work done to the vehicles. :(