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chinoxmk22
12-24-2012, 02:25 AM
How is this properly corrected? I happened to me, I panicked and doing so jerked the wheel to correct it but the car swung to the opposite direction and spun :-o No I wasn't racing, and I didn't hit anyone/anything. But I did feel like http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/facepalm4.gif Rain sux, that feeling when the car skids is a trip out. Im not a track or road race guy, I've been wanting to enter an event just to learn and be a better driver. But how is it properly corrected?

LHTuning
12-24-2012, 02:28 AM
Hmm, for me, when I take a hard turn and begin to skid, I let it slide a bit till it catch traction again, then I counter steer to correct. There are times where I counter steer as it was sliding and it would catch traction i'll be fish tailing a few time jerking my steering left and right to prevent a total spin out.

chinoxmk22
12-24-2012, 02:30 AM
what about when the car is out of control? ^ you Henry's boy with the M5 right?lol .

LHTuning
12-24-2012, 03:40 AM
what about when the car is out of control? ^ you Henry's boy with the M5 right?lol .
No, im the other dude.

EvolutionXtacy
12-24-2012, 04:21 AM
let off the throttle, and let the tires gain traction again.Â* go ahead and counter-steer to point the nose to the direction you want to go and once u gain traction again press the throttle... and move on with your life and drive off like a boss O0

chinoxmk22
12-24-2012, 11:30 AM
^^Nice explanation dude. what about when the car is out of control? .

osolokes213
12-24-2012, 12:10 PM
^^Nice explanation dude. what about when the car is out of control? .

crash it, salvage, new car

evodriver49
12-24-2012, 12:13 PM
what about when the car is out of control? Â*^ you Henry's boy with the M5 right?lol Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* .
No, im the other dude.

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^^Nice explanation dude. what about when the car is out of control? Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*

if you're oversteering, countersteer and downshift to 1st/2nd and keep lightly on the gas poiting wheel to the direction you wanna end up on (all one quick move) and keep gassing until you regain control or at least thats how i do it when im powersliding/ trying to drift in the rain O0

evoutionIX
12-24-2012, 12:30 PM
^^Nice explanation dude. what about when the car is out of control?Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*.

crash it, salvage, new car


http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/images/smilies/fistpump.gif

chinoxmk22
12-24-2012, 12:36 PM
^^ I remember it happened to you in that gay 909 cruise to big bear lol... and your http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/cel.gif turned on. what was your mistake?

Azian
12-24-2012, 12:45 PM
what about when the car is out of control? Â*^ you Henry's boy with the M5 right?lol Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* .
No, im the other dude.

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^^Nice explanation dude. what about when the car is out of control? Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*

if you're oversteering, countersteer and downshift to 1st/2nd and keep lightly on the gas poiting wheel to the direction you wanna end up on (all one quick move) and keep gassing until you regain control or at least thats how i do it when im powersliding/ trying to drift in the rain O0
99% of people will not remember/think about having to downshift when their car is out of control turd. Most of the time the car has spun out and stopped before the driver has time to react. Its not something you can simply explain Chino, it takes practice for it to come naturally just like anything else. If its a low speed oversteer with minimal angle you can just left off the gas, but if you're moving at a pretty good rate and you got a lot of angle going you're going to need to add throttle and counter steer as well. If you're sideways the worst things you can do is let off of throttle OR jerk the wheel really hard OR hit the brakes.

evoutionIX
12-24-2012, 12:52 PM
^^ I remember it happened to you in that gay 909 cruise to big bear lol... and your http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/cel.gif turned on. what was your mistake?


haha!! you still remember that?!?! and you weren't even there -__-

but my screw up was bald tires and I honestly didn't do anything besides hit the brakes. I let the car take me for a spin. I was going somewhat slow enough although I was thinking that I would have hit the rocks since it seemed like I was going to

FUEL
12-24-2012, 01:43 PM
Stay on the gas ...never lift ...throttle control and wheel your way out of it

kambodianboi
12-24-2012, 01:53 PM
Stay on the gas ...never lift ...throttle control and wheel your way out of it
I'm pretty sure a good majority will spin out for sure!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBa7eIh16Bk

RallyBud
12-24-2012, 02:34 PM
Here are some "textbook" answers from Team O'Neil Rally School. The last recommendation they give is to practice oversteer in a safe place. I went to Team O'Neil "after" I attended Bondurant School of High Performance Driving which was all on tarmac. Most of the class didn't encounter oversteer situations enough to become really proficient at correcting oversteer as evidenced by all the students spinning out.

It wasn't until attending Team O'Neil (snow and gravel) where we were inducing oversteer and correcting it almost every turn (by design). The repetition has made me a much better driver on tarmac.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2zgc2u1.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/e71a3l.jpg

Here's a pretty cool video with Colin McRae explaining and demonstrating "understeer and oversteer".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGSnLGgeai8

AMG Driving Academy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_bWWLw-60k

chinoxmk22
12-24-2012, 05:36 PM
^^^ and thats exactly what happened to me... that last pic shows it all. that is some good info. I can't quite remember what I was doing with the gas, if I let go completely or if my foot was still on it. either way... good info. Thanx guys

8YERV8
12-24-2012, 06:23 PM
Human nature when the car begins to rotate is to let off the accelerator. Lifting off the accelerator allows the rear of the car to continue rotating around on you. As many have already stated, the accelerator is your friend. Especially in an AWD vehicle.

RallyBud
12-24-2012, 07:20 PM
Human nature when the car begins to rotate is to let off the accelerator. Lifting off the accelerator allows the rear of the car to continue rotating around on you. As many have already stated, the accelerator is your friend. Especially in an AWD vehicle.


At Team O'Neil that is one of the first things they beat out of you in FWD and AWD vehicles is to NOT lift. The front wheels spinning in the direction you are steering is your best friend. During some of the drills guys would instinctively "lift" and the instructors would laugh and say "HE'S A LIFTER"...and would give them a pink Protec helmet to wear.

evodriver49
12-25-2012, 01:47 AM
yes ive learned too many times that your instinct is against the AWD nature of how the car reacts. GAS gently thru it! brakes will kill you when you're sideways and you lock all 4 tires you're gonna be asking for it! It is hard to "react" quick enough and to downshift feather gas etc, but beating instinct isn't easy.. I guess practice makes perfect! O0

EvolutionXtacy
12-25-2012, 02:51 AM
my instinct would be bail out of the car and run away from the scene as fast as possible :)

chinoxmk22
12-25-2012, 02:43 PM
At Team O'Neil that is one of the first things they beat out of you in FWD and AWD vehicles is to NOT lift. The front wheels spinning in the direction you are steering is your best friend. During some of the drills guys would instinctively "lift" and the instructors would laugh and say "HE'S A LIFTER"...and would give them a pink Protec helmet to wear.

haha pink helmet. I'm just gonna join a class and learn there

jamesinger
12-30-2012, 08:02 PM
There is actually some good tips on car control in this video and The Drift Bible. They are talking about losing control of the car on purpose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLDejTKH388

Johns_EVOIXSE
12-30-2012, 09:22 PM
Human nature when the car begins to rotate is to let off the accelerator. Lifting off the accelerator allows the rear of the car to continue rotating around on you. As many have already stated, the accelerator is your friend. Especially in an AWD vehicle.


At Team O'Neil that is one of the first things they beat out of you in FWD and AWD vehicles is to NOT lift. The front wheels spinning in the direction you are steering is your best friend.

^This.

If you if you start to slide maintain throttle and "point and shoot".Â* Always look at where you want to go. Don't look at the steering wheel, and god forbid dont look at the wall if you are sliding toward a wall.Â* Â*It also depends on the slide. You can actually be off throttle and just counter steer and the car will find traction, just as long as your still in gear.Â* Â*

Azian has been in my car when I slide on purpose.Â* He told me "you have obviously done this before". LOL

Pure EvoIX
12-31-2012, 06:04 PM
Just countersteer.Â* Don't over correct.Â* When you stop sliding, make sure your steering wheel is pointed straight.Â* Some people slide because they are braking hard and turning at same time...aka off throttle like when you go too fast into a turn and brake way too late while turning.Â* Some people slide when they get on throttle too early/too much and oversteer if car is set up that way.Â* Some people oversteer because they shifted too much weight side to side and the weight shift initiates the slide.Â* Some people oversteer because they upset the car during a turn...via lifting, bad down shift, clutch kicking.Â* Some people also oversteer/spin when they turn/brake on a painted line on the road or any low traction surface aka when raining (1 side of the tires).Â* When the left side tires have different traction surface than the right side. Another way is by over cooking a turn, you put 2 tires off the road and if you still have steering angle, it will shoot you across the road.Â* If you see yourself going off, straighten the wheel and go straight off.Â* Obviously if there is a wall/barrier, don't do that -_-, but if there is run off area then straighten wheel before going off.

So stop doing the above listed things and it won't happen.

Look where you want to go, hands will follow.Â* Don't overcorrect, just steer where you want to go and not where you are going.Â* Make sure you return wheel to center when car stops sliding.Â* Don't hand over hand when you correct or you will lose track where center is.

If you can't save it, beyond saving, just 2 feet in (clutch and brake).Â* Your spin will be more predictable for people behind you.

I never heard of anyone downshifting mid spin to correct it. -_-

flyingscot
12-31-2012, 06:37 PM
downshifting mid spin is the same as lifting,as soon as you dip that clutch you have no power

Pure EvoIX
12-31-2012, 06:45 PM
Watch these 2 videos.

Hear and see what they do. Pretty much sums up all my points. These 2 are very very excellent drivers. I wish I had their high level of car control and able to do it corner after corner after corner, lap after lap with precision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xPmT4OiYFM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5HGJkQ-KGg

isamu
01-02-2013, 11:38 PM
Just counter steer, DO NOT lift the gas. Holding the gas is very important.

Just reading some book or watching video won't give you any help. Without practice, you cannot hold the gas even if you could do counter steer. Practice, practice and practice.
Auto-X or Rally-X will help you to increase your driving skill without risk.

chinoxmk22
01-02-2013, 11:40 PM
Just counter steer, DO NOT lift the gas. Holding the gas is very important.

Just reading some book or watching video won't give you any help. Without practice, you cannot hold the gas even if you could do counter steer. Practice, practice and practice.
Auto-X or Rally-X will help you to increase your driving skill without risk.

I need to practice then

evoutionIX
01-05-2013, 08:23 PM
I need to practice then


same here. let's do it together while holding hands, yeah??
http://i.imgur.com/1Pbmh.gif

Pure EvoIX
01-12-2013, 01:35 AM
This is how you correct a skid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmsITnbCxP0

Welcome! :)

jamesinger
01-12-2013, 02:53 AM
...you know what? Just don't mess up Mona.

evoutionIX
01-13-2013, 10:42 AM
This is how you correct a skid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmsITnbCxP0

Welcome! :)


nice!! you found my video. totally forgot about it, haha!! :crazy2:

but I do think it sucks that we don't have the AYC system in our cars :(

isamu
01-13-2013, 12:10 PM
It's possible without AYC. Your foot will be one instead of AYC. Practice, practice and practice.

chinoxmk22
01-14-2013, 10:38 AM
nice!! you found my video. totally forgot about it, haha!! :crazy2:

but I do think it sucks that we don't have the AYC system in our cars :(

Why? because the R34 has something similar to AYC?lol

evoutionIX
01-25-2013, 11:33 AM
^^^it's not that. I just hate the fact auto makers have to change certain things to comply with individual country standards/regulations instead of having everything the same across the board

evoutionIX
01-25-2013, 11:35 AM
It's possible without AYC. Your foot will be one instead of AYC. Practice, practice and practice.


how have you learned?? is it all track experience or have you taken some sort of driving programs??

isamu
01-25-2013, 12:28 PM
how have you learned?? is it all track experience or have you taken some sort of driving programs??


I started RallyX at first, then did Stage Rally --> AutoX --> Track.
Starting from RallyX/AutoX is very good way for learning driving with lower risk. Also, learning by good instructor who has good experiance is important. He can take you to the correct direction.

In my case, learn by instructorÂ* --> Try by yourself ---> AskÂ* --> Try by yourself --> Ask ...... I just continued this way.

evoutionIX
01-25-2013, 03:48 PM
^^^that's a good method. care to teach me?? :angel:

DTunedEvoX
01-25-2013, 04:15 PM
Stay on the gas ...never lift ...throttle control and wheel your way out of it

^ This ... If you lift- you'll instantly get Lift Off Over Steer and will violently catch traction and spin ... Most people will tell you to "lift until you get traction" - RWD? Maybe? But definitely stay on the gas and point where you want to go ...

Loss of control should turn into gaining control - the sensation of learning to do this the first couple of times and trying to train yourself sure is un-natural but after you induce it a few times (a hell of a lot easier in an X LOL) - you should get the hang of it!

LOL great I hit post after finding out there are 50 other dont lift and point where you want to go responses :B

isamu
01-25-2013, 05:02 PM
Here is some action at buttonwillow. Correcting skid are around 1:10 and 1:40.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dm4b8iJr0k

Pure EvoIX
02-03-2013, 12:44 PM
Here is me correcting skids in a straight line. -___-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rga-alNfpF0

Here is the same track day of 2 hot laps in a super loose / low grip setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFTJIsB-jNg

evoutionIX
02-03-2013, 01:09 PM
^^^WOW!!! I really like your first video posted there. too bad you don't have a pedals view to see as well like they have on some of the drift videos

but what is the yellow tape on the top of your steering wheel supposed to signify, the center point to make sure the car is going straight??

Pure EvoIX
02-03-2013, 06:01 PM
yep yellow tape for center. also easier to see steering angle on video. i tried doing a foot cam but it failed. my legs blocked the angle.

evoutionIX
02-08-2013, 12:15 PM
aww man :( just cut off your legs. you don't need them anyways. haha!! :crazy2:

chinoxmk22
02-08-2013, 01:33 PM
Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car; oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall; torque is how far you take the wall with you.

evoutionIX
02-08-2013, 04:22 PM
^^^^AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! !! great analogy. I'm going to use that on conversations with people that don't know much about car talk. they'll think that I'm SUPER smart

chinoxmk22
02-09-2013, 02:27 AM
haha makes sense .

Evo X Reaper
03-08-2013, 03:08 AM
If you oversteer while your busting that 180 put in rereverse and drive backwards, jk
I always power over with counter steer, understeer I use my e-brake

keenooo
04-02-2014, 02:03 PM
Old but helpful thread, just wanted to input that i'm glad I read this before heading out to any any drive. This information helped save my life last month. It was my first time almost spinning out and crashing but I somehow recalled this thread while it happened and held a constant throttle and countersteered my way out of the corner. Scary moment but glad to be safe :)

evodriver49
04-03-2014, 01:42 AM
Old but helpful thread, just wanted to input that i'm glad I read this before heading out to any any drive. This information helped save my life last month. It was my first time almost spinning out and crashing but I somehow recalled this thread while it happened and held a constant throttle and countersteered my way out of the corner. Scary moment but glad to be safe :)
Awesome should be a sticky if it saved a life!! :)

evoempire
04-06-2014, 05:54 AM
Here is me correcting skids in a straight line. -___-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rga-alNfpF0

Here is the same track day of 2 hot laps in a super loose / low grip setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFTJIsB-jNg

Awesome vids zhong! Looked like you had tons of fun! At around 1:12 on the first vid I was like bright lights bright lights!


Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car; oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall; torque is how far you take the wall with you.

Probably the best post I read in awhile. :)

Pure EvoIX
04-15-2014, 06:17 PM
haha thanks Roger.