Californians, its time to vote

[artinist]

i am sure you have all been hearing all the flat lies that the public works unions have been paying millions of dollars for in commercials.

obviously they don't want to loose the millions of dollars in pensions that governor Idiot Gray Davis took out of our wallet and handed to these people in exhange for their support.

lets help Arnold do what we put him in office for.

last year the education budget was 50 million. this year its 52 million. and the school teaches want 55 million but their unions boldly announce their* lies every 5 minutes on radio and want us to believe 52 is less than 50.

if you think 52 million is less than 50 million, then you must be a bmw driver who thinks you are the most important person on this plant and you should have your own lane in the freway.

but if you give a damn about the future of this state and the school system vote like below. these are what are supported by Gov. arnold and Senator Mcclintock. two of the few politicians who havent sold their underwear to special interests.

research the issues before believing the ads. and yes, arnold is not perfect, but by far is he the best this state is going to have.


Proposition 73: Parental Notification for Abortion. If parental consent is required for a child to use a tanning booth or get her ears pierced, shouldn’t parents at least be notified if she’s getting an abortion?
---YES---
Whether you’re pro-life or pro-choice, this should be the all-time no-brainer.
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Proposition 74: Teacher Tenure. Do parents have a right to expect a higher level of competence before a teacher is granted life-time tenure?
---YES---
This modest measure simply increases the teacher probation period from two years to five years.
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Proposition 75: Public Employee Union Dues. Should public employees decide for themselves which candidates they will support with their own money?
---YES---
This measure requires that before a public employee union can take money from that employee for political donations, it has to get the employee’s permission.
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Proposition 76: State Spending. Should government live within its means?
---YES---
This measure restores the authority that the governor of California had between 1939 and 1983 to make mid-year spending cuts whenever spending outpaces revenue without having to return to the legislature.Proposition
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Proposition 77: Re-districting. Should voters choose their representatives in legislative districts that are drawn without regard to partisan advantage?
---YES---
The most obvious conflict of interest in government is when politicians choose which voters will get to vote for them by drawing their own legislative district lines. This measure puts a stop to it.
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Propositions 78 AND 79: Prescription drug discounts. Do you want the same people who run the DMV to run your pharmacy?
---NO---
These are rival measures, one supported by drug companies and the other by liberal activists – both of which purport to lower drug prices. What they really do is assure that one group of patients gets to pay higher prices to provide subsidized prices for others. There’s no such thing as a free Levitra.
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Proposition 80. Electricity Regulation. Do you want the same people who run the DMV to run your electricity company?
---NO---
This measure locks in monopoly control of your electricity by the bureaucratized utilities and forbids you from ever being able to shop around for the lowest-priced electricity available

[Blak94GSX]

Wow, the first coherent post ever in this section!

[j_nizzle]

wow i agree wholeheartedly with the post! O0

[SpdyEvo02]

+1 to all of that....since i will be working the polls in my area i will hear alot of this

[genrec]

I dissagree with you

Prop 74 -- NO

Prop 75 -- NO

Prop 76 -- NO

Prop 77 -- NO

By voting yes you are merely taking what little power the average joe, middle class, lower class worker has to their name. You are handing corporate america more money and power , giving them even a bigger advantage than they already have. Think about the little people that actually work for a living. The people that actually make this state work. *Arnold is a Bush suckass and will do what he can for the corporate monsters of California. None of theses measures will pull california out of any debt what so ever. If you look at the big picture here, these measures are all classic case of the rich getting rich and the poor staying poor.

Support the little people that actually work for a living. Vote NO on Prop 74, 75, 76, 77

[Blak94GSX]

Considering the unions are far bigger than "big corporations" you should be on our side, supporting the individual worker and against the unions.

[genrec]

Considering the unions are far bigger than "big corporations"

They kinda have to be..if they didn't exist their pay would be worse than it is..benefits would be zip......these hardworking people then would have what....how would they be treated of illness or injury?? I suppose it would be ok with you if the good people of our state were treated like slave laborers or work in environments such as malaysia, vietnam, india, and all these other countries that the MAN likes to outsource work to , to keep his pockets fat? Where the people have horrible working conditions and are treated like animals.

[Justin1933]

Unions are the biggest joke in today's society. They have no place anymore...Was there a time that they were needed? Yes, but that time has long gone. Why are all the manufacturing jobs moving to ASIA? One of the biggest reasons is labor unions. Have you ever been to a trade show and dealt with the Union BS? These guys are some of the most overpaid, useless employees I have ever seen...

Genrec, have you ever been to these factories and seen what these factories are like? Do you know what their lives would be like without these factories? I have been to these factories and I have seen what life is like when you don't work in a factory. It is awful...The problem with most liberals is they are the first to complain about jobs moving overseas and the poor workers...Most have never spent one day overseas and have no idead what life is really like outside their plush US lives.....

[Eckolaker]

Prop 73 also a NO

Why should a minor have to tell their parent they are going to have an abortion? BE AWARE, that 73 does not require the minor to first gain parental permission, only that they tell them whats going on.

If that parent doesnt already know their child is having an abortion, the parent has already lost the battle.
All the information in the world is not going to make up for that parents lack of responsibility.
Think of all the kids who already dont feel they cant goto their parents when something like that happens to them, probably in most cases will not make the problem better.

Im not going to spend my tax dollars to give bad parents, bad news...

NO ON 73

[genrec]

Unions are the biggest joke in today's society.* They have no place anymore...Was there a time that they were needed?* Yes, but that time has long gone.* Why are all the manufacturing jobs moving to ASIA?* One of the biggest reasons is labor unions.* Have you ever been to a trade show and dealt with the Union BS?* These guys are some of the most overpaid, useless employees I have ever seen...

Genrec, have you ever been to these factories and seen what these factories are like?* Do you know what their lives would be like without these factories?* *I have been to these factories and I have seen what life is like when you don't work in a factory.* It is awful...The problem with most liberals is they are the first to complain about jobs moving overseas and the poor workers...Most have never spent one day overseas and have no idead what life is really like outside their plush US lives.....

You would think this being in managment and the entrepreneur you are. I don't blame you. Since you have to worry about your own taxes, your own healthcare, your own retirement, etc...Perhaps there are people out there not as focused as you and need the help or people to set these life goals up for them? Nothing worg with that.

Have i ever been to a tradshow? YES, i work in the tradeshow industry? The biggest powerhouse in the industry.
Do i agree there are some overpaid worthless pieces of shit on showsite? YES, but everyone that works on showsite is a useless piece of scum? NO. I know dozens upon dozens of good union family guys that bust there ass allday for their families, just like YOU. More than you think are very educated with degrees, all speak English very well, are law following citizens. I happen to hold a Convention Planning job for the company i work for which is very respectable and allows me to show them i can deal with a great deal of responsibility. Number one, keeping our associations and clients happy. I do this from the inside of our base of operations, and i do not work on showsite. Guess what, i'm classified as union member myself, only a different pay scale. I cannot speak for all unions, except mine. And i can say prop 75 is bullshit. They do not take any money from me for political contributions unless i have checked it off for them to do so. If ones wishes it can be for any amount they desire. Nobody is forced, i for one in 10 years have never given a penny.

No, i have never been overseas, actually never been on a plane in my life. I can only speak of the conditions i've seen on TV specials and magazine/newspaper articles. I'm sure maybe the factories overseas you have dealt with might be Club Med. Are you going to tell me that every factory all over the world or these third world countries is a tropical paradise? Have you been to them all? Probably not.

Me Liberal, NO, i walk the fence depending on life situations which work best for me. Don't you? Don't you think the way you do and make decisions beased on whats best for you and your family?

Lastly, unions and corporate america are good for eachother, its kinda like a balance..good vs. evil..without them it would be all one sided, driving the social economic gap deeper and wider than it already is.

[gofaster87]

Has anyone here that is talking about Unions worked with a large Union. I worked the movie studios and Ill tell you one thing without a union people would be fucked. Starting pay was 25/hr then went to 1.5 times then 3 times the pay on a long shift. Making 75/hr as a stage builder is nice. When your show or movie is over and your laid off the union finds you another gig. Lets say many of these union members made 6 figures and always had a job. Not all unions are created equal but I have friends and family that work in the entertainment field and they do very well.

[genrec]

Has anyone hear that is talking about Unions worked with a large Union. I worked the movie studios and Ill tell you one thing without a union people would be fucked. Starting pay was 25/hr then went to 1.5 times then 3 times the pay on a long shift. Making 75/hr as a stage builder is nice. When your show or movie is over and your laid off the union finds you another gig. Lets say many of these union members made 6 figures and always had a job. Not all unions are created equal but I have friends and family that work in the entertainment field and they do very well.

I have friends in this union as well...i think everybody is overlooking the real people and the unions that dont want these props to pass....the law enforcement, fire fighters, nurses, etc...these are all people that really put their lives on the line everyday for you and me, and are in unionized poistions to help protect them from the dangers in their job that can arise.

Like i said unions are made of the little people that make this state work and operate and always have, not the corporate monster that feeds of these people doing the real work.

Some of you union haters i can see where they are coming from, my company is mixed union and management. I have numerous conversations with the non-union personel and every single one of the at one time or another, or does envy the union. We get overtime for working the long hours, they get paid the same no matter how many hours they work. We have one of the best healthcare plans in the country, we pay for it, BUT so do they , only they pay alot more for worse coverage. We have pensions, something that will be their for us when we retire, they have to dump their own money in to 401's and hope the company does the same based upon what they put in.

Anyways, if you have not voted yet and intend to today VOTE NO on 73, 74, 75, 76, 77....keep the governator out of the peoples affairs.

[GokuSSJ4]

Proposition 73: Parental Notification for Abortion. If parental consent is required for a child to use a tanning booth or get her ears pierced, shouldn’t parents at least be notified if she’s getting an abortion?
---YES---
Whether you’re pro-life or pro-choice, this should be the all-time no-brainer.

minors do need the right to be monitor, especially with a life on there hands...
If they can get depress regarding a break up or some childesh.... i can only imagine what this would allow if they didn't need the there parental figure to be notify..* Parents need to be involve with there kids no matter what..


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Proposition 74: Teacher Tenure. Do parents have a right to expect a higher level of competence before a teacher is granted life-time tenure?
---YES---
This modest measure simply increases the teacher probation period from two years to five years.

why do teachers need to prolonge the amount of period that they have to wait for ? they already need to pass a such amount of tests, credentials and a 2yr waiting period besides them obtaining there Bachelor.. it would be unfair to those that have study their ass off, just because some parents don't know how to educate there kids..
Teaching is not just up to the teacher but getting the parents, or guardian involve as well...

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Proposition 75: Public Employee Union Dues. Should public employees decide for themselves which candidates they will support with their own money?
---YES---
This measure requires that before a public employee union can take money from that employee for political donations, it has to get the employee’s permission.
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don't you have this option available already ? why the need the bring this in a valet.. what are the cons and pros behind this proposition...

Proposition 76: State Spending. Should government live within its means?
---YES---
This measure restores the authority that the governor of California had between 1939 and 1983 to make mid-year spending cuts whenever spending outpaces revenue without having to return to the legislature.Proposition
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The right to reduce the budget, this means that Arnold S. would have a bit more power then what he already has ??
He has done alot of damage by laying off peeps and cutting back budgets from Unified Districts as well as DMV employees .. I can only imagine with abit more authority, what Arnold would be capable :ticketoff:

[Thero]

Just Did my Civic Duty and Voted O0

[Terry S]

I dissagree with you

Prop 74 -- NO

Prop 75 -- NO

Prop 76 -- NO

Prop 77 -- NO

By voting yes you are merely taking what little power the average joe, middle class, lower class worker has to their name. You are handing corporate america more money and power , giving them even a bigger advantage than they already have. Think about the little people that actually work for a living. The people that actually make this state work. *Arnold is a Bush suckass and will do what he can for the corporate monsters of California. None of theses measures will pull california out of any debt what so ever. If you look at the big picture here, these measures are all classic case of the rich getting rich and the poor staying poor.

Support the little people that actually work for a living. Vote NO on Prop 74, 75, 76, 77

Genrec = Lost

Terry S (Would vote yes to 74-77 if he voted)

[rammsteinmatt]

gotta get my shoes on and take the evo for a drive.......i mean go vote.


as for the union thing, they were created to protect factory workers in the 1800's where working conditions were hazardous and deadly. they were created to protect worker's working conditions. today, there are people that sit in an office makeing 6 figures and doing nearly nothing.

i worked as a teamster at costco, made 10/hr for in essence unskilled labor, which is better than min. wage. but the starting wage at costco has been 10/hr for at least 6 years. what have they done in the last 6 years? they fought for better benefits, which is good if you even qualify for those benefits :roll:

oh well, in 2 years i will have a very highly skilled job and unions will become even more obsolete in my mind.

unions are battling capitalism, america is based on capitalism, you infer what the unions do for america

[genrec]

I dissagree with you

Prop 74 -- NO

Prop 75 -- NO

Prop 76 -- NO

Prop 77 -- NO

By voting yes you are merely taking what little power the average joe, middle class, lower class worker has to their name. You are handing corporate america more money and power , giving them even a bigger advantage than they already have. Think about the little people that actually work for a living. The people that actually make this state work. *Arnold is a Bush suckass and will do what he can for the corporate monsters of California. None of theses measures will pull california out of any debt what so ever. If you look at the big picture here, these measures are all classic case of the rich getting rich and the poor staying poor.

Support the little people that actually work for a living. Vote NO on Prop 74, 75, 76, 77

Genrec = Lost* *

Terry S (Would vote yes to 74-77 if he voted)

we will see who loses tonight.... O0

and if they pass, it will do nothing to bring california out of any whole that its in....it only a power grab by the man.

[Terry S]

we will see who loses tonight.... O0

and if they pass, it will do nothing to bring california out of any whole that its in....it only a power grab by the man.

I just don't get why opponents of 74-77 state "its a power grab by the man". I've heard is several times but it just confuses the heck out of me. If you want to say these are about a power grab, you can only say that these are about pulling power away from "the man" (read: unions) and giving it back to the people. Also, I see the Unions trumping up these as issues about the budget but these props have *absolutely nothing* to do with that so why even mention that line of thinking?

Terry S (god I hate unions... )

[rammsteinmatt]

Also, I see the Unions trumping up these as issues about the budget but these props have *absolutely nothing* to do with that so why even mention that line of thinking?

because most people are dumb, they hear "budget" and know that cali is not doing so well financially so they automatically assume that this is a ploy for arnold to take more money or some BS like that.

but the worst part is all these sheep teachers that line up one after another just buying the hype that the teacher unions put down. do we seriously want these people to teach our children if they can think for themselves about [political] issues

for the record the teacher's union that controls the schools by me (i dunno how widespread this union is) but they FORCE you to register democrat to escape reprimand. well if thats not freedom, i dont know what is

[genrec]

Hay guys it is clearly as simple as this, heard the term:

"People that vote their Wallets"

It does not matter which side of the fence you are on, be it right or wrong. You simply are voting whats best
for your wallet.

I gotta do what's good for me, and you gotta do what's good for you. And if you clearly hate the unions and are that upset with them, that's only because in some direct or indirect way its's affecting your wallet!