bottom line is that the govenrment is fucking up. They need to lock down the border. im down with giving the workers here work visas. but lock down the border so workers can get here without auth. We should control whats going on in our country.
bottom line is that the govenrment is fucking up. They need to lock down the border. im down with giving the workers here work visas. but lock down the border so workers can get here without auth. We should control whats going on in our country.
We are all aware of that but it's not that eay for them to get here in the first place than mexico isn't it?Originally Posted by gen4k20a2
Jesse Sez: If you're ever in a midget-tossing contest, always go for the happy midget. It is definitely much harder to toss them when they're unhappy
read my post at the top thats what would happenOriginally Posted by TerryS
thats why we make it that hard...put the border on lock downOriginally Posted by speedracer2169
another reason would be i dont want osama walking in the back door.
noone here will survive on minimum wage.Originally Posted by speedracer2169
thing is, if they cant find anyone to pick strawberries for 10 hours, they will find a way. either someone will come up with an automated way to pick strawberries, or the company that grows the strawberries will be forced to hire legally people from other countries. either way, they'll be forced to find a way.
the issue at hand is illegal immigration. the US economy wont collapse if all the illegal immigrants are deported
Sportback Evolution MR
Isn't that what the new proposed law is saying? And once they reach citizenship then what? They are going to say fuck it and serve your burgers at Mickey D's. Who will work the fields then?Originally Posted by gen4k20a2
Jesse Sez: If you're ever in a midget-tossing contest, always go for the happy midget. It is definitely much harder to toss them when they're unhappy
Hmm sounds like slavery to me. And how will they hire legal citizens. Shit they better pay three time the minimum wage for that shit plus medicalOriginally Posted by Macky
Jesse Sez: If you're ever in a midget-tossing contest, always go for the happy midget. It is definitely much harder to toss them when they're unhappy
thats right....homeland security needs to sack up and lock that shit up! canada too
Well thats why a worker card should be issued to those that want to work here from out of the country so we know who goes in and out. With citizenship we will loose alot of the work force....being paid minimum will put alot of the workers on welfare. We fucked up 50 years ago not coontrolling it and were gunna pay the price over the next 20-30 years
indeed its sounds like slavery but heres the differences.
Their own country/governemt caused it. They dont have shit set up like us. Their country is filled with crime so real positive work cant get done.
2nd....they came here on their own damn free will knowing what theyll do and what theyll get paid.
Worker card? Like a green card right? Don't you have one? You don't need a green card to pick strawberries do you? It's not even a full time job or even part time. More like driving down to home depot and just picking up some guys to pick strawberriesOriginally Posted by gen4k20a2
Jesse Sez: If you're ever in a midget-tossing contest, always go for the happy midget. It is definitely much harder to toss them when they're unhappy
no you dont get it. A green card allows me to be a resident and take advantage of everything the government has to offer but i cant vote or get drafted...thats basically it. A worker card would allow them to work here for some set time period. After that they have to go home and apply for it again.*
that being classified as slavery is just your speculation. if they are legally working here for a company that has them working in the fields, then whats wrong with that?Originally Posted by speedracer2169
you are saying its slavery because they are being hired from abroad to work in a strawberry field. you are assuming they are being forced to work in a strawberry field.
but if the company advertises that they have an opening to work in a strawberry field in the US and they accept under no duress, then that is perfectly legal.
Sportback Evolution MR
You sir have not been raised in Watts. Ask any person who live in south l.a. Let's see how much corruption have we seen in the government in the last year. Gangs?? we have the most violent gangs in the world. I don't see our government going out and extinguishing gangs. In order to solve a problem you need to go to the source. If we want to stop this whole immigration thing and whatever then the U.S. needs to get involved in reforming Latin America. Hell if we can do Iraq, go to Vietnam and meddle with every other country for this country's own personal gain than why not help Latin AmericaOriginally Posted by gen4k20a2
Jesse Sez: If you're ever in a midget-tossing contest, always go for the happy midget. It is definitely much harder to toss them when they're unhappy
yes you dont need a green card to work in a strawberry field, but you need a green card to be here legally to work in a strawberry field. part time or full time doesnt matter. if you reside/plan to reside/ in the US, regardless of what your job is, you need a green card to stay here legally.Originally Posted by speedracer2169
big difference.
Sportback Evolution MR
It's the same thing. You have to renew your green card anyways right? If you keep screwing up with the law you can be denied residence right? You get a social which you need to pay taxes right?Originally Posted by gen4k20a2
Jesse Sez: If you're ever in a midget-tossing contest, always go for the happy midget. It is definitely much harder to toss them when they're unhappy
oK, YOUR STRAYING FROM THE TOPIC AGAIN.. god damn caps lock.Originally Posted by speedracer2169
Dont even say we have the "most violent gangs in the world". The first word in my head that poped up when you said that was Nigeria. Dont even try to argue the gang angle.
Terry S
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The laws of supply and demand is whats going to keep them in the field. Things wont change a damn bit except the workers in the field will be legal citizens and HOPEFULLY have some pride in the country that is allowing them so many options instead of the one that didn't want them.Originally Posted by speedracer2169
Terry S
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Originally Posted by TerryS
Jesse Sez: If you're ever in a midget-tossing contest, always go for the happy midget. It is definitely much harder to toss them when they're unhappy
They already have pride. Why do you think they do not want to leave?Originally Posted by TerryS
Jesse Sez: If you're ever in a midget-tossing contest, always go for the happy midget. It is definitely much harder to toss them when they're unhappy
are you kidding? have you not been out of this country ? In other countrys they have more than "gangs". They have mafias and most every country has their form of it. Not only will they do drive, bys they kill your mom....cut your hands off. Cut other things off. Slit your stomach so you guts hang out and let you bleed to death, thats a slow death if you didnt know. The gangs here are shit compared to the others in the world. How bout suicide bombers? wouldnt that be considered a "gang". Random acts of violence from our point of view just liek a gang. a group of people that relate to each other and to a cause, just like a gang. An oppressed people just like a gang but they go and blow up a city block with 50lbs of TNT straped to their body. but your right the gangs in LA with a glock in his back pocket is much more violent. Trust me the corruption in the government here is nothing. You think the president of mexico has power? Look at the mafia leaders in that country. Look it up on the net and see what theyve done. Way more than that mexican "president".
And hell yes we go to war for our countries gain why the fuck wouldnt we. it just happens that we go to war to help others too. Bosnia....what was our gain there. We sent troops there what was our gain? Wasnt oil or money. I wont even get started with Iraq just watch oreilly factor and if you have questions i will defer you to email him on that cause hes got it explained.
Hell yes we need to help mexico and south america. But let me tell you this since you seem not too globablly inclined. When my dad comes from Sri lanka, there has been a civil war going on there for about 35 years. Where do you think suicide bombing got its start? not in the middle east. that country is tearing itself apart but whens the last time you heard about it on the news. Why dont we help those countries....i guess well wait for another tsunami.