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    ALL you need to know about brakes, lines pads

    [size=18px]Common Brake Fluid Boiling Points[/size]

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    Fluid DRY WET
    Castrol LMA DOT 3/4 446 311
    Ford Heavy Duty DOT 3 550 290
    ATE Super Blue Racing 536 392
    ATE TYP 200 536 392
    Valvoline Synpower 503 343
    Motul Racing 600 585 421
    Castrol SRF 590 518
    Performance Friction 550 284
    Neo Super DOT 610 610 421

    **Notes**
    Castrol LMA is very good at rejecting moisture and may be kept in your brake system for a couple years. The LMA stands for "Low Moisture Activity". It comes in plastic containers which do not have a long shelf life. Don't buy lots of this stuff at a time because moisture can make its way through the plastic containers.

    Ford Heavy Duty DOT 3 is VERY inexpensive and is popular among racers because of its excellent dry boiling point. It absorbs moisture quickly, but the racers don't care since they change their fluid frequently. Comes in metal cans so it may be stored. My understanding is that this fluid is deprecated, and the new part number is somewhat of an unknown quantity. You still might be able to find the original on the shelf at your Ford dealer, though.

    ATE Super Blue Racing and ATE TYP 200 are the same brake fluid in two different colors (blue and amber, respectively). BMW recommends this brake fluid for their street cars because it, like Castrol LMA, absorbs moisture very slowly. The advantage over LMA is that ATE has a much better wet boiling point. You can put this stuff in your car and forget about it for a long time. An excellent choice for a weekend track car which also sees regular street duty. Comes in metal cans. The Type 200 appears to be out of production.

    Valvoline Synpower is new to me. It was recommended by a number of persons on my regional list. Given that it's <$7.00 / pt, I might give it a chance in the near future. Comes in plastic bottles, so only buy what you need.

    Motul Racing 600 is a very exotic and expensive synthetic fluid with high wet and dry boiling points. Too expensive for the street and requires frequent changing due to its hygroscopic nature. Sold in plastic bottles. It is not suitable for the street because it absorbs moisture quickly.

    Castrol SRF is a hyper-exotic and hyper-expensive brake fluid that is generally used by wealthy Porsche owners at track events. I've seen prices of $78 per liter for this stuff. Sold in metal cans. I can't afford this stuff!

    Performance Friction High Performance DOT 3 has a good dry boiling point but a crummy wet boiling point. It comes in metal cans which is good for shelf life and sells for $7.87 per 16 ounce container. If you are even considering this fluid, I would go with the cheaper Ford Heavy Duty DOT 3. In either case, change this fluid frequently due to the poor wet boiling point.

    Neo Super DOT 610 is a DOT 3/4 compatible fluid and contains no silicones. Has a low vapor point to aid in the prevention of vapor lock. Comes in metal cans and can be stored. $13 per 12oz can. *Thanks CJ for pointing out this fluid.*
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    ALL you need to know about brakes, lines pads

    Alright guys I know some of you know this but I dont.

    What is the Basic Difference between generic Dot 5 brake fluids and the expensive stuff like super blue?
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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    Good article from stoptech:

    http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/brakefluid1a.htm

    I am running motul 600 and it works great. Get some speedbleeders while you are at it. These things work great: install, loosen the bleeder a quarter to 1/2 turn and pump the pedal a couple of times till fluid comes out. Tighten and do the next wheel. Start from the back and do the inside and out calipers one a time. They are a 1 way valve so you can bleed your brakes yourself easily.

    You want 9 of these- inside and outside of each wheel + clutch bleeder in the engine compartment. The clutch uses the same fluid.

    Here is the part number:
    http://speedbleeder.zoovy.com/c=ANK6...roduct/SB1010S

    If you want the stainless version: http://speedbleeder.zoovy.com/product/SB1010SS
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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    PS- who has it in stock that I can pick up? By it I mean the expensive stuff, motul, super blue etc.
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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    Motorcycle shops all have it. Ask for motul rbf 600. You could always just go to rre or call them and have them ship some.

    This is what it looks like: http://outmotoring.com/motul_rbf_600_brake_fluid.html
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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    so what ever that motorcycle shop on lincoln by the EZ lube is shoul have it? Good that makes life easy
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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    Rich and I bought some from the bike shop just 2 blocks from firestone while waiting to get my rotors turned.
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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    Rob sells super blue

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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    I don't know if Motul is too good for daily driving though.
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    its fluid how bad could it be?
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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    Some fluids are not hydroscopic enough, meaning they dont have enough of the necessary lubricants to keep the system nice and lubed inside. It could lead to the quicker degeneration of valves and the rubber.

    I sell ATE for $16 per 1 liter bottle of it. Good for about two flushes. I'm in the process of getting a supplier deal going for Motul.
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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    Yes, that link is the exact part number. You have a choice of regular steel for 7 bucks or 15 for stainless. Don't forget to get 9 - one for inside half of the caliper and 1 for outside on each wheel + the clutch bleeder. BTW, my car shifts better now that i bled the clutch. Seems there was a little air and the brakes and clutch use the same fluid.

    Rich and I bled all four brakes in about 7 minutes. I could have done it myself without a second person. It is that simple because of the oneway valve.

    You loosen them a 1/4 turn and step on the brakes a few times till fluid comes out and then tighten. Air goes out, but not in with the valve and the thing is that it just works.
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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    Thanks for the info Mark. I was just about to buy 5. I didn't know you had to bleed the inside and outside bleeders.

    - Rich

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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    Shit, I only thought the fronts had dual bleeders..... damnit... now I have to buy another 2 for the rear!
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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    I went with NEO Super DOT 610. The NEO stuff is about the same price as Motul but has a little better boiling point at 610 degrees whereas Motul is 593.

    Neo also has 'High Performance Brake Fluid' as well. Its boiling point is better than Ate Super Blue, at 568 degrees, and is $5.95/12oz can. Not bad.

    I bought the NEO 610 from Baker Precision, here in So Cal:
    http://www.bakerprecision.com/neobrk.htm

    NEO Synthetics: http://www.neosyntheticoil.com/

    Here's a website I found helpful when doing my research:
    http://www.stealth316.com/2-brakefluid.htm

    Good luck,

    Sean

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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    Quote Originally Posted by gt40
    Great site. Thanks for the tip.

    They also have a bleeder bag for $6.00. http://speedbleeder.zoovy.com/c=ANK6...AGANDHOSECOMBO

    I always used a vacuum line and coffee can, but the vacuum line inevitably ended up out of the can, on the floor, making a big mess. Now with the "Caliper Colostomy Bag", my worries are gone! :)

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    Dot 5 Brake Fluid Vs. the Expensive stuff

    I'm serious about those freaking speed bleeders! It was scary how insanely well they work. BTW it took us more like 3 minutes to bleed all eight valves...maybe 10 minutes to install them. I wouldn't say that I was really too sure how they would work out, but it really kicked my ass how easy it was. I'm buying a full set for sure!
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    wow what a big difference! Â* its a day and night difference on the brake!! Â*when out for about 10 mins and just brake every where! Â*

    took 2 bottles of motul to bleed the whole system. Â*the order to bleed are passager rear, driver front, driver rear, and passager front. Â*There are 2 bleeders on each brake pad. Â*Bleed the inside one first then outside. Â*what i notice was that the passager rear had a lot of black stuff coming out of it!!!

    i bleed that one for about 20-30 mins so much black stuff............. Â*picture will be posted later. Â*there are also lots of white chunks coming out of the brakes. Â*i thought it was bubbles at first then when i took a closer look, and found out that it was particles.... not sure what it was but on every brake there was that white particles... Â*

    my question what the hell are the black, and white particles?

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    SS Brake line installed w/ Motul 600 fluid

    The white particles are from where the fluid was boiled. good job you changed it!
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    how do you replace the bleeders? You just unscrew the old ones, but won't the fluid spill out?

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