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    Please do not generalize Christianity with Catholicism. I'm sorry if it has given you a bad taste of religion, but you will not get the full meaning of being a Christian until you look for religion for yourself.
    I'm sorry to say, but there is really very little in the way of differences between almost all of the Christian sects. Hell, almost all religions say 95% the same thing anyways. It's all the same ideas but differing in the way its communicated.

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    That is not true. Many concepts of Christianity fluctuate from each different denomination. The critical difference between my religion, Seventh Day Adventism, is that we believe in the New Testament and that God told us to rest on the seventh day-the Sabbath. The Catholics have their own views with many diffferences such as a Pope, a medium to God where other forms of Christianity believe only we serve a direct connection with God. There are indeed many differences. Many denominations share the Old Testament, but even their interpretations vary. There are many many cases out there.
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    Re: Bible Info: God vs. Satan - Final Body Count

    Quote Originally Posted by Granny Shifter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granny Shifter
    Please do not generalize Christianity with Catholicism. I'm sorry if it has given you a bad taste of religion, but you will not get the full meaning of being a Christian until you look for religion for yourself.
    I'm sorry to say, but there is really very little in the way of differences between almost all of the Christian sects. Hell, almost all religions say 95% the same thing anyways. It's all the same ideas but differing in the way its communicated.

    Terry S
    That is not true. Many concepts of Christianity fluctuate from each different denomination. The critical difference between my religion, Seventh Day Adventism, is that we believe in the New Testament and that God told us to rest on the seventh day-the Sabbath. The Catholics have their own views with many diffferences such as a Pope, a medium to God where other forms of Christianity believe only we serve a direct connection with God. There are indeed many differences. Many denominations share the Old Testament, but even their interpretations vary. There are many many cases out there.
    Your only proving my point here. Just like we as humans are 98.3% related to chimps, all sects of christianity share roughly 95% the same "DNA" (read: bible) yet they all bend the words to produce vastly different teachings; but only in appearance. When you take a close look, its still all the same thing.

    And Contact, while a good movie in its own right (even though the screenplay, directing & acting were atrocious), does nothing to further the "faith is unprovable" theory. That movie goes against the idea if anything. If you recall, there was no need for whats-her-name to "have faith in what she saw", there was proof that was intentionally covered up by others.

    If there were actually a god or anything relating to it, and someone had the evidence to prove it but intentionally hid and destroyed the evidence, thats not faith, that evidence would factually prove god. I would much rather have people out looking for the evidence of "god" than wasting their time thinking they've already figured it out (read: religions stifle the search for god because they already have the answers).

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    while true we dont act entirely on instinct ...i still say technically we're animals. the major difference is that we have sentience and try to manipulate the environment around us. but i still dont see how we're supposed to be held to this higher level. we're still part of the natural life cycle. its just we've developed this 'precious' view of life.

    i also agree with terry. ALL religions are 95% the same thing. they all have a basic root about the unexplainable. its just the way they bend ideas and words to make them all different.

    and i suddenly find myself blanking on arguments. my ANNOYING ass cousin is over playing gamecube with my sister and another one of our cousins. and the kid is a fkn mutant.

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    When you change words, you interpret different meanings which result in different teachings. If all religions differentiate in there teachings, you would receive different information. How would you correlate religions being the same when our very values and beliefs are different? If it comes down to it, 95% of Christianity might conform to a monotheistic approach, but that is really it. It is the way we interpret God differently along with different events that have happened that shape the religion. The information given in the Bible might appear to be the root of most religion, but it is really far from it. Different interpretations lead to different meaning. How can you say they are the same, when they are VERY different. Look at this scenario regarding the differentiation of the New International Version. You say the root is the same, concluding that the religions are similar when in context, they are very different. Check this out about the NIV:
    http://www.av1611.org/niv.html
    Yes, words are bent and such, but they are definetely not the same. The problem is that each root is different due to different translations. The search for truth is the search for the true root.
    I really do not see how you relate DNA to the Bible. If you could clear that up for me, it would really help.
    The emphasis I have on Contact involves how the scientist reached an unsolvable mysterious in which she felt the presence of something she could not prove. Not only that, but her conversations with the pastor in which he asks her about her father (who died) and how she could prove that she loved him. In the end, it was the faith and conviction she had in the unexplainable phenomena of encountering her father that resided with her.
    In my opinion, the relationship to an animal is far fetched. Our processes differ quite greatly, yet share some essential fundamentals (such as the fundamental nervous system which can also be found with a similar composition in sea slugs). Then again, this is just very opinionated. I just want to highlight that there are some key differences that make us different. Why can't life be precious? Isn't it precious?
    Also, what is the basic root of the unexplainable? Either you believe in a supreme entity(s) that control the world or the science in the universe.
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    Its great talking to someone about a topic like this and I by all means am not trying to prove anything.Â* I believe we are quite different from animals, not only physiologically.Â* Our psychological interpretations and processes differentiate us from the animal kingdom.Â* Well, I believe that we do not act out of instinct.Â* We can use our past experiences to judge our actions.Â* I really like the father of American Psychology, William James work on functionalism along with the topic empiricism.Â* We do need to survive, but we have some different complexities that make us different from the animal kingdom.Â* I also love the randomness of life.Â* Destiny and crap do not really work.Â* I have studied a little bit of Chaos Theory, which really has let me stretch my wings.Â* In my religion, I really have confirmed my beliefs from studying different aspects of life.Â* If you ever want to see a good movie that shows you how to prove Religion, you should see "Contact".Â* In the end, you really can't prove religion.Â* It is the amount of faith you have.Â* With Christianity, your faith in Jesus Christ is what will save you in the end.Â* When others tell you to do good deeds and such, it does not really have to do with being saved.Â* The Bible says that when your faith grows stronger and you grow closer to Jesus Christ, you will be compelled to do good to others.
    So how do you know when your faith is strong? When you stop questioning the Bible and follow the teachings of it like a sheep? Is that where the saying "the lamb of God" comes from?
    I was brought up Catholic. Did the whole Baptism, First communion, Catacism etc... I stopped going to church for a few reasons.. one of them.. I was BORED! I mean the stories are cool.. but that's just it they are stories written by MEN. The words and stories where interpreted in many different ways.... hence the different sects of Christianity. I guess I believed for a long time and had some sort of "faith".....I lost what little "faith" I had about 4 years ago when I got really sick and actually died for two minutes in an Emergency room (heart and lungs stopped from a severe asthma attack) I saw no light at the end of the tunnel and my "praying" while I couldn't breath right before I died didn't save me.. where was "God" then? I was saved by drugs, science and a graduate of UCLA medical school...that's what saved me... I have faith in what I know and what I see and what can be proved.. not what some book tells me anymore.. I try to be a good person and do right by people.. and hope they treat me the same way...and in the end that is what I believe in...and if there is a God and you believe in him I don't pass judgement on you. I believe people are free to believe in whatever they want O0
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    that is a great find! God is one bad motherfucker!

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    ^lol they are having a profound discussion and you come in with that. i wonder if jesus would bump ambitions as a rider?

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    First of all... I give all Praise and Glory to God. Without Him, I would not be. This is an interesting find. I respect the opinions of others, but I feel the need to weigh in on this subject. I'm not that well versed in the Bible, but I do know what I've been taught, and what I believe.

    The Ten Commandments were not written for animals, they were written for humans. Yes, animals kill for survival. Humans have the intelligence to know that killing another human being is against the Commandments, and the law written by man. Humans don't kill other humans for survival. To refer to our lives as survival of the fittest is disturbing. Drug addicts, gangsters, and other criminals are not killing people to survive. They are being influenced by the devil. The devil is a conniving so and so.
    In the Old Testament the wages of sin was instant death. You lied, you dropped dead where you stood. If you killed someone, you dropped dead where you stood. It's kind of like knowing if you commit a crime, you will be arrested, and sent to prison. We know what not to do, yet we choose to do it anyway. The people that God killed in the Bible were all influenced by the devil to sin. Every one of those people knew the consequences of their actions, but chose to sin anyway. So did God really kill all of those people? I say the devil had a hand in more than 10 deaths!!
    MissEvo8, you said that you lost faith when you almost died. Maybe you did not see the light because your prayers were answered. God heard you and everyone who was praying for you. The doctors are educated and skilled in their craft. Just as easily as they may have saved you, they do all they can, the right way, and there are people that don't make it. You made it. If that is not a reason to have faith... what is? You are still here, enjoying life, your friends, family, and your Evo. Be thankful to God that He gave you another chance. There may be something that you have yet to accomplish, and God has given you the chance to do it.
    All of us should keep the faith as much as we can. Times are changing, and our faith will get us through.
    I'm not going to say anymore. I will leave you with this: We have to watch what we say. It would really be tragic to denounce God, just to find out in the end that we were wrong. We will all believe in the end, but for some of us that will be to late. I'm not a gambling man, and I'm certainly not gambling with eternity on the line.

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    thats one thing that really gets me. why is it when people are engaged in this kind of debate ...the science vs religion comes up, AND you can only choose one side. why cant there be a god or gods AND science?

    and heres where having an argument like this leads. those that have 'faith' believe everything is according to gods word and actions. those that dont have 'faith' will never be swayed to believe that.

    wheres the proof in the old testament? show me tangible proof about all of this stuff god does. you cant, cuz its all just written stuff about what 'could have' happened. who wrote it? men.

    im with angela ...yes, a very rare instance, but i too have had some serious medical sht. i wasnt that close to death, but still it was enough. i had already lost faith by thist point, but it really kinda amplified my thoughts on it. i fail to see how bad things are a sign of love. what kind of fkd up bizarro world is that? ever seen the movie 'end of days' with arnold schwarzenegger? gabriel byrne played the devil and he summed it up perfectly... 'if something good happens, its his will. if something bad happens, he moves in mysterious ways.' sure the devil may tempt you into things, but who is it REALLY that takes things away from you? (this is all of course assuming god exists. and think of the story with job.)

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    Re: Bible Info: God vs. Satan - Final Body Count

    Quote Originally Posted by Granny Shifter
    Quote Originally Posted by *chris*
    i dont see how god is above law ...thats all. he supposedly 'gave' us these commandments but yet, he doesnt give a fk about them in his own dealings. sounds shady to me.

    'course im biased cuz i dont believe in christianity
    1. I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

    2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

    3. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.

    4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

    5. Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long.

    6. Thou shalt not kill.

    7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

    8. Thou shalt not steal.

    9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

    10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.

    Look at the 10 commandments man. These commandments are guidelines on how we are supposed to deal with our lives. How is God supposed to follow commandments made for humans, in which the general consensus of them is to respect GOD and respect OTHERS. Analyze them. The first four commandments deal with respecting God followed by the six that deal with people. God intended these commandments for people; not himself. Second of all, I would not go about making God look as a killer. He is absolute authority and if he kills, there is a reason behind it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evo9ers
    the consequence of sin is death.
    "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 6:23)."

    Then you look at the very common verse John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
    people sometimes choose not to believe .. some dont believe on a God at all..
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    Re: Bible Info: God vs. Satan - Final Body Count

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry S
    Quote Originally Posted by Granny Shifter
    Quote Originally Posted by Terry S
    Quote Originally Posted by Granny Shifter
    Please do not generalize Christianity with Catholicism. I'm sorry if it has given you a bad taste of religion, but you will not get the full meaning of being a Christian until you look for religion for yourself.
    I'm sorry to say, but there is really very little in the way of differences between almost all of the Christian sects. Hell, almost all religions say 95% the same thing anyways. It's all the same ideas but differing in the way its communicated.

    Terry S
    That is not true. Many concepts of Christianity fluctuate from each different denomination. The critical difference between my religion, Seventh Day Adventism, is that we believe in the New Testament and that God told us to rest on the seventh day-the Sabbath. The Catholics have their own views with many diffferences such as a Pope, a medium to God where other forms of Christianity believe only we serve a direct connection with God. There are indeed many differences. Many denominations share the Old Testament, but even their interpretations vary. There are many many cases out there.
    Your only proving my point here. Just like we as humans are 98.3% related to chimps, all sects of christianity share roughly 95% the same "DNA" (read: bible) yet they all bend the words to produce vastly different teachings; but only in appearance. When you take a close look, its still all the same thing.

    And Contact, while a good movie in its own right (even though the screenplay, directing & acting were atrocious), does nothing to further the "faith is unprovable" theory. That movie goes against the idea if anything. If you recall, there was no need for whats-her-name to "have faith in what she saw", there was proof that was intentionally covered up by others.

    If there were actually a god or anything relating to it, and someone had the evidence to prove it but intentionally hid and destroyed the evidence, thats not faith, that evidence would factually prove god. I would much rather have people out looking for the evidence of "god" than wasting their time thinking they've already figured it out (read: religions stifle the search for god because they already have the answers).

    Terry S
    you can only refer this to a certain parts of christianity, which catholics aren't included.
    it states clearly about the idols, and some of the things that catholics have emphasize for years. About the catholic religion, well a lot has to do with history itself and how the idols came into play a strong role in their religion.
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    I sin everyday, but know that the blood of Christ has saved me, and share to another of what he did for me.Â* I believe in Christ because I almost took my life once, but only he knows why I din't and I was only 14yrs and now 28yrs old and I'm in love with God,Son, and Holy spirit more than ever.Â* It's not about religious ritual, its about an encounter with our creator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMREJ6
    I sin everyday, but know that the blood of Christ has saved me, and share to another of what he did for me. I believe in Christ because I almost took my life once, but only he knows why I din't and I was only 14yrs and now 28yrs old and I love with God,Son, and Holy spirit more than ever. It's not about religious ritual, its about an encounter with our creator.

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    There is one God, who is infinetely perfect, existing in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit; we believe that the Bible is inspired Word of God, the supreme source of faith and practice; in the ethernal Deity of Jesus Christ; in His virgin birth; in His death on the Calvary as a substitute for our sins; in His bodily ressurrection; that salvation comes by faith in Christ; that all mem are lost apart from the saving grace found in Christ; that the Church is composed of Born-again believers; in the present ministry of the Holy Spirit in people's lives; that Christians are responsible to go into all nations, in the personal return of Jesus Christ to the earth.
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    I'm glad to hear that you are doing well nmrej6. Dizevoix, I follow the same ideology as you. Ms. Evo 8, I'm sorry to hear what has happened to you, but don't you believe that divine intervention could have saved you from those two minutes? It must be hard to have faith after such a horrible experience, but you are alive and doing well right? There just is no explanation for each case as to why does God allow some to live or die. Look at the case of Job in the Bible. Satan took everything away from the man, but Job kept his faith throughout his whole case.
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    Re: Bible Info: God vs. Satan - Final Body Count

    have you guys search for the famous Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758).
    Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God
    Im sorry for those that dont agree with this but for those that havent had the chance to read it, here it is!
    http://www.ccel.org/e/edwards/sermons/sinners.html
    here is another link on some of his work
    http://edwards.yale.edu/major-works/...-an-angry-god/
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    this is becomming bible study with the quotes...stay on topic Tomas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Evo8
    this is becomming bible study with the quotes...stay on topic Tomas
    you dont have to click or view anything if you dont want to or doesnt appeal you.
    im just sharing somethings with them... and this is part of the topic "God"
    just because im not amusing you with things that go with what you believe, doesnt mean i can share with others *
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