New turbo (CBRD BBK Full) on its way! Soliciting for Cam combo with this turbo

[3volutionary]

Gents,

Long story short, I was the original owner of a 06 IX. It was deemed a total loss two weeks ago. I purchased a newer IX (less miles). My new car is ready for some mods.

On my last car:

Kelford 272s
ETS 3.5" Wide intercooler
ETS Short route UIP/LIP
ETS Speed density conversion kit with intake
TIAL Q blow off valve
Supertech valve springs w/retainers
ARP Head Studs
Walbro 255 fueld pump
FIC 1050cc Low impedence injectors
Invidia O2 housing
Invidia down pipe and test pipe
Megan 3" exhaust
ETS small battery kit
FFTEC 3 port electronic boost control
English racingTune at 358awhp at 28psi boost
Defi guages
Ohlins road&track coil overs (muellerized)
ACT Clutch

I really loved the powerband that the 272s gave the car on a stock turbo. I didnt mind the shaky idle at all, and I only had an issue with the car turning off by itself 3 times (I've been told it could be only a few things (Speed density, or an idle control unit going bad).

My new car has:

Buschur exhaust (magnaflow)
o2 housing (unknown brand)
stock catalaic converter
1000cc fuel Injectors (unknown brand)
Perrin Intake
JIC Coil overs
Exedy stage 1 clutch
ETS 3" FMIC
ETS UIP/LIP (stock route)

I purchased for my new car:

CBRD BBK Full turbo
AEM UEGO wide band o2 sensor guage
Walbro 450 LHP fuel pump (e85 safe)

What I want to purchase for my new car:

FIC 1600cc high impedance injectors (once they are on the market)
solid COP kit
E85/91 Valet mode tune
Cams

from reading the forums, there are plenty of people out there running the CBRD BBK, but not many have posted the combination of parts and tuning charts up to reference.

I'm trying to select the best combination of Cams to go with this turbo. I've talked with different shops, and all have their own opinions of what to go with, so I figured I would turn to the largest EVO community in the states for help.

Currently, I'm considering the GSC S1s, as I dont plan to upgrade to a bigger turbo. I would rather have the spool up time, and power that is managble with the stock block, than get something that is over kill and lower the drivability. This is my daily driver. Needless to say, My goals are as close to 500awhp on the stock block.


All suggestions or feedback is welcomed!

[JPsEVO]

I did not have a bbk full, but had the ball bearing bbk-b on stock cams on my evo 9 that I sold recently. Not sure if that is of any help lol.

[HMatt]

I have an VIII with hks 280's and a BBK full. From what I hear for new cams, Cossie M2's, GSC s2's, or kelford 272's seem to do about the same on the fulls. You can't really go wrong with any of them, so just go with whatever you can get the best deal on.

For power, with the BBK, you'll probably hit about 480 on e85. 400-ish on 91 oct. You can do this with that fuel pump and a set of RC1200's (low impedance). I bring this up because they are pretty much the biggest ones on the market that can take you to 500 on e85 with a good margin left in them that also run very well on 91 octane when you need it. They've been out for years and have proven reliable.

[evoempire]

I have an VIII with hks 280's and a BBK full. From what I hear for new cams, Cossie M2's, GSC s2's, or kelford 272's seem to do about the same on the fulls. You can't really go wrong with any of them, so just go with whatever you can get the best deal on.

For power, with the BBK, you'll probably hit about 480 on e85. 400-ish on 91 oct. You can do this with that fuel pump and a set of RC1200's (low impedance). I bring this up because they are pretty much the biggest ones on the market that can take you to 500 on e85 with a good margin left in them that also run very well on 91 octane when you need it. They've been out for years and have proven reliable.

+1 This post pretty much sums it all up for you. Assuming you are referring to dynojet numbers rather than md numbers.

If I had to chose I would run the kelfords but that is my opinion. I too am running the RC1200 with excellent results. I am not on a bbk full but on a stock frame turbo HKS GT2.

[M4Lki3r]

There was an article in one of the tuner mags a month or two ago that did an Evo cam shootout. I believe Buschur's 280 came out on top. From my experience, I have an FP Green (JB) with HKS 272s and wish I had a little bit more. I'll be upgrading to these at some point (probably when I send the Green back to FP for a refresh and BB cartridge). I'll try to post it when I get home, if I remember.

I also run the RC1200s for E85 in the +450hp game. The only thing is that you MUST either pull and clean them or run 91 in them once every few months. If you don't, they will clog and you'll go very lean, very fast.

Also, you probably don't need the COP. I'm still on my stock ignition pieces and have not had ANY issues since I've owned the car. Been in the 450hp game for a few years now. I'd suggest putting the money into built bottom or top ends of the block first.

[evoempire]

There was an article in one of the tuner mags a month or two ago that did an Evo cam shootout. I believe Buschur's 280 came out on top. From my experience, I have an FP Green (JB) with HKS 272s and wish I had a little bit more. I'll be upgrading to these at some point (probably when I send the Green back to FP for a refresh and BB cartridge). I'll try to post it when I get home, if I remember.

I also run the RC1200s for E85 in the +450hp game. The only thing is that you MUST either pull and clean them or run 91 in them once every few months. If you don't, they will clog and you'll go very lean, very fast.

Also, you probably don't need the COP. I'm still on my stock ignition pieces and have not had ANY issues since I've owned the car. Been in the 450hp game for a few years now. I'd suggest putting the money into built bottom or top ends of the block first.

Your injectors still get clogged even after running e85 for awhile? Are you running a catch can setup? How frequent do they get clogged or you need to clean them? I was under the impression that this only occurred after you initially switched to e85. Because the initial clean up and break up of your engines deposits from long gasoline usage was why they initially got clogged. I had this happen to me but only when right after switching to e85. I closely monitored its vitals and checked several times the fuel system. After about 5 full tanks of e85 the clogging/deposits went away. I was also running a catch can before the usage of e85.

If they are still getting clogged are you still on stock fuel lines? If so there is a good chance that e85 is deteriorating them and causing little rubber particles to get stuck in your fuel system. Pictured here:






I then upgraded to a e85 proof fuel system at least from the Pump up to inline fuel filter. I still need to upgrade my lines to the fuel rail. But so far I haven't noticed them deteriorate yet. However, I will be upgrading them soon to mitigate any issues. Not saying this happens to everyone but it would be a good idea to check just to make sure. The fuel lines that are E85 proof are the ss/nylon lines that use a Teflon inner lining. I called Propel and that is what they advised.

[3volutionary]

HMatt - thanks for the valuable insight. I really do love the Kelfords. I'm going to do a bit more research on the differences between the milder GSC 1s vs the more agressive Kelford 272s. I would love to find charts of people runing these two in comparison, but that is a perfect world.

Do you have any bad idle issues whatsoever? Have you ever experienced the ignition stall when slowing and moving the transmission to neutral?

[evoempire]

All of your concerns would be mitigated through proper tuning. You will have a nice lope but I personally like the lope.

[3volutionary]

Now the true question is, repurposing my cams springs and retainers from my wrecked car to my new car? Anyone see any issues with this, or should I just go for all new 2014 stuff (RRE recommended).

[evoempire]

I would have all parts inspected before you use them. If they all check out you should be fine. If not then go with all new setup.

[HMatt]

HMatt - thanks for the valuable insight. I really do love the Kelfords. I'm going to do a bit more research on the differences between the milder GSC 1s vs the more agressive Kelford 272s. I would love to find charts of people runing these two in comparison, but that is a perfect world.

Do you have any bad idle issues whatsoever? Have you ever experienced the ignition stall when slowing and moving the transmission to neutral?

I'm tuned by the Scott Grey, maybe you've heard of him? haha! I have absolutely no driveability issues. I've taken the car cross country 3 times since the tune and it's been flawless. I the kelfords are nice, but so are the cosworth m2's. If you are going through RRE... They can get better deals on cosworth parts. Just throwing that out there...

Now the true question is, repurposing my cams springs and retainers from my wrecked car to my new car? Anyone see any issues with this, or should I just go for all new 2014 stuff (RRE recommended).

Take the springs to RRE or any decent shop. Have them inspected. Most shops will inspect them for free if you are having them installed there.



About all the e85 crap... This has been talked about in depth on evom and here. Do some searching. People have had this black stuff analyzed and guess what... IT WASN'T RUBBER! It was actually the e85 itself. They used some technical terms to explain it. Although this stuff leaves combustion chambers clean, it can create that stuff. Now you will get some crap in the lines on your first few tanks because e85 more readily mixes with the garbage in your tank. Sooo.... Yes, it will get better, but you'll always get it. Which is why it's recommended to run pump gas every few tanks. It keeps the gunk cleaned out.

[evoempire]

In my particular case it was the rubber lines. I pulled them apart and they were deteriorating I noticed the same black stuff coming off of them. Now I did not get all technical and take the stuff to a lab to determine what it was, but after switching out the bad fuel lines the debris ceased to exist. So I think I am safe to say that is what it was. But yes in some cases it may not be the rubber lines it could be other things is well.

[Mister]

OP, you should read the crazy cam test that Dsport Magazine did on an Evo 8.
I believe they dynoed 17 different cams on the Evo.

Some great info there for helping to choose which cam is best for you.
Here is some info....there is much more info if you buy that actual issue of the magazine.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-gen...l-17-cams.html

[blueprint]

Just hit 20k on my BBK Full and she's still going strong.

Love this turbo.

[fla_evo]

gsc s2s for your setup

[Azian]

I went 3 years on E85 without issue on my IX lol Didn't have any injector clogging issues or anything like that, but I also switched back to 91oct every so often (probably every 5-8 tanks or e85), and that might have been why I didn't have an issue. My injectors probably had around 80k miles of use them as well.

[blueprint]

My car is going in next week for E85...

I'll post up my review, dyno and modifications as soon as were done.

[Eddieevoix]

How'd your car do on e85? I would like to know!!