wow! what did i miss?
To everyone who want's to jump on the "I copy everyone's tunes" Bandwagon. The tune in question that Jon has been posting everywhere is from a guy who came to me previously tuned by 5150. His car was getting 5-6 counts of knock on every pull from 5-7k rpm. I pulled some timing out of that tune to bring the knock down to 0. Mivec was slightly adjusted and the rest of the tune was left alone. That is why the tune is the same as his. I spoke with the guy who's car it was Friday night and he knows exactly what happened.
Everyone who knows me, knows I was tuning my car long before I let Jon touch my car. I have no need to copy anyone's maps. Everyone who tune's cars knows you learn from everything you see. The truth of the matter is when I went in for a tune he adjusted my 91 tune slightly and said I did a good job on my tune. Go do some research on EvoXforums of my old post prior to me getting tuned by Jon. I posted all my own tunes on there. As far as the e85 tune goes I was going to do my own tune But Jon Insisted on letting him do it, which I did.
This is what he said when I was going to do my own tune
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OMG btack im going to slap you
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Below is what Jon had to say about the tune I did when I came to him.
Jon Drenasthis is My final 91 VS btack 91 , not very far off and his was super rich (he didnt have a wideband then so he was being safe)
Good job Btack!
"Jon DrenasI told him he did a good job on his maps when we did he original tune. his 91 want very far from what we ended up with on 91 !! "
I offered to help you out because all I saw on the forums was people would get no response from you after you started they're etunes waiting months for response. It was a friendly offer at the time because we were "Friends" and I didn't want to see you get a bad name.
People came to me to ask me to tune them long before I ever posted anything as far as advertising goes. The first 20 tunes I did were all 91 tunes.
My own e85 tune was changed way before I tuned anyone else. Why? Because when I asked you why my fuel trims were way off you said "That's because you rice too much". and offered no help. Not to mention my AFR's were at 10.3 (Gas ratios) and I have videos that show that if you want to question that. So from that point on My tune changed and I did my own thing
The first person I ever tuned was Enrique. Why I tuned him? Because he was tuned by 2 other shop previously and my car was still faster than his so he wanted me to tune him. This is before you tuned my car when I was still on 91. So I tuned him "FOR FREE". His car ran very well and everyone saw that. Thats when people started coming to me asking me to tune them.
They weren't exactly the same. They were similar because when I tuned his car he asked me to keep the tune very conservative. one of my old tune's was pretty conservative so I used it as a base map. Almost all the tunes I've seen are similar minus a few degree's of timing here and there.
The v401 Cobb Base maps that I used to start tuning with weren't made by you FYI. But from what you've told me about every tuner is they all use your maps.
You used my tune I came with and slightly modified it. Did you not?
I love my 5150 Tune <3
I DONT WORK FOR A DAY AND I MISS ALL THIS HAHAHA DAYUUUM!
WHY CANT WE ALL JUST BE FRIENDS?!
FYI I NOT CHOOSING SIDES ALTHOUGH IVE MET BTACK COOL DUDE.....
Damn...this just comes to prove that he has no respect for the business aspect of it. I deal with a lot of construction/build-out job walks at work and the lowest bid isn't always the best to go with. If everyone bid low just to get customer's, there would be no integrity to the market. Soon enough, you stop caring for quality and just work to get more jobs done to make up for the low prices you have. With someone charging 100$ for something that would usually cost closer to 300$ or more should throw up a flag to some people. The way I see it, the faster you climb, the harder you'll fall. You have to work your way up the ladder.
ok I just read this whole thread and damn that was fun killed an hour at work just reading through this lol
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ya this is just crazy
Bwack banned for good
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